I'm watching what some of these pieces are fetching and it's giving me the vapors.
Trade Deadline Approach
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TRUE - just not seeing anything seems very odd , I just havnt watched the national threads so I don't curse lack of movement.
Yeah, at some point you do have to be willing to cash in some prospect capital to improve the major league team. Not saying Bloom won’t, be he has seemed somewhat reluctant to move prospects thus far (and perhaps rightfully so, for a variety of reasons).
Dombrowski's other massive blockbuster trade was similarly not very painful in retrospect.
Paulino and Meidroth are exactly the kinds of guys we should be at least willing to part with.
If they don't have Paxton (and Pivetta) out there just to take the temp, they're foolish
Everyone needs to remember that the Red Sox are soon getting back Chris Sale, Tanner Houck, Garrett Whitlock, and Trevor Story. No team in baseball is adding that much oomph to their major league roster. Nobody.
Is the deadline 4 p.m.? If so, we have 16 minutes before the vultures come out to kill Chaim for not stripping the team down to its studs.
Yeah. And this is the first year he's had anything close to excess to cash in.
I wish people would stop saying things like this. It’s simply that WE don’t know what the plan is. Because, you know, they don’t tell us what they’re thinking.
100% Why buy into a seller's market? Dodgers look smart getting ahead of this curve last week.
6pm and no one should be upset with Chaim based on what I've seen
I think the plan was to get something good but cheap. When the prices got too high, he decided to sit back and wait for the deliveries coming in next week.
They probably would... but don't really see a role for the Michael Lorenzen's of the world on this team (7.1 k/9, 4.21 xFIP).
It's not that he doesn't have a plan, it's that he has an entire architectural drawing set and is awaiting permit approval.Red Sox Stats on Twitter said:
The issue is that no one has any idea about the effectiveness or durability going forward for any of these players. That's the inherent problem with "trading" for players coming off the IL: most of them haven't played in so long no one has an idea of their possible impact.
Story hasn't played at all this year and didn't play much last year; how good will he really be at shortstop? No one knows. Sale hasn't pitched in months and is coming off an elbow problem. Same for Whitlock. Houck got hit in the face, will that affect his pitching? No one knows.
At least if you trade for players on current MLB rosters you have an idea of how they've done lately. With these guys, you don't.
why would the Phillies trade for Paxton, though? Aren’t they all set with Wheeler-Nola-Walker-Suarez-Lorenzen?
The Phillies have the best rotation in the game (by fWAR) before trading for Lorenzen. This deal would excite me of course but I'm skeptical.
The team that really needs Paxton is the Dodgers. The cost should be one of Busch, Vargas, Pages or Stone in return.
I HATE this argument. Sale is another injury waiting to happen, Whitlock can't stay healthy, and Houck is a two pitch pitcher. Story is a great addition, but anything he does is a bonus because that position has been putrid this season. Getting a starting pitcher and putting all three of those guys in the bullpen would get rid of a lot of garbage this team keeps putting on the mound.
Heck, let's see what we can get for Alfaro LOL
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/rays-rangers-diamondbacks-interested-in-catchers.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/rays-rangers-diamondbacks-interested-in-catchers.html
I think you probably come out in the middle actually -- yes, there's a chance that they all break down again (or don't actually make it back at all) and you're out of luck. OTOH, there's probably a decent chance that at least two of them end up contributing and that's certainly about as good as they can get in this crazy market.
For a team like the Sox with 55-1 odds of winning the WS but a bright future, that doesn't seem like the worst outcome or approach.
Oh man, if it's just Meidroth, we should go for it - but Meidroth isn't our #7, he's like our #15, and he's my binky! And even I would be willing to part with him.
Gotta echo everyone else though and say if that's the return, then you gotta dangle Paxton and Duvall and potentially Verdugo.
This seems a little silly to me. No one has any idea? You're saying you can't forecast their performance or durability at all? Are you saying that Houck getting hit in the face mean he's guaranteed to get hit in the face again? That the various videos of Story handling tough plays at SS down in the minors mean nothing?
Why can't we say that of the healthy players, then? Yu Chang has been playing a pretty good shortstop, but he could get injured tomorrow! Why bother forecasting him to play SS going forward at all?
Pirates are sending old friend Rich Hill to SD with Ji Man Choi for 3 random carbon-based life forms.
A new hat for Hill's collection!
A new hat for Hill's collection!
What does this mean, he's a bonus? He's not a bonus, he's a guy who's been a 2.5 win player or better for his career, and was worth 2.5 wins in 2/3rds of a season the other year. He'd probably be the Red Sox second most valuable player going forward if he's healthy, and there's no reason right now to think that he isn't. The fact that the position has been so putrid is exactly why it's so important to be getting him back! I feel like I'm going crazy.
To be clear, I'm not against getting another starter, but I don't think they're going to be asking Whitlock or Houck to go straight into the rotation, given how Crawford has performed. Probably they'll go to relief/long-relief, where there they won't be asking as much from them.
And hopefully Sale is healthy again, but I totally get being skeptical. If they can protect his arm by having him pitch 3-4 innings to start, there's at least some reason to think they may be able to keep him healthy the rest of the way.
"In on Rich Hill but out-bid" would also suggest that Bloom is not interested in paying this year's deadline prices and will probably stand pat.
Good lord, they guy they are touting as a trade prospect is hitting even worse than Aquaman.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hedgeau01.shtml
Bloom’s M.O. is that he’s in on everyone and looking for value. Much different than his predecessor who was laser focused on a target and would get him quickly. I’m guessing that the Sox end up doing very little; if asking prices are high it’s going to be challenging to find value, and I think selling only runs the risk of losing the clubhouse before a pivotal series.
I am in this weird spot where I don't want them to give up what it clearly would take for a significant pitching upgrade, but also don't feel like the return for Paxton would be enough for me to want them to signal that they are giving up on the season, either.
I think standing pat is probably the right call, unless something weird happens in the next hour and a half.
I think standing pat is probably the right call, unless something weird happens in the next hour and a half.
That's funny, I was in favor of getting Hill back, but there was no reply when I posted that. I agree that Bloom is not interested in an overpay, which is good, but probably means the Sox aren't getting any more pitching.
And what do you think standing Pat will do to that clubhouse that’s openly advocated recently for an acquisition? Is there not also a risk of losing the clubhouse if nothing is done?