Heise3B said:I just believe if you acquire either pitcher it will be required to include Owens.
Cueto had a breakout last year and has so more upside and is 2 years younger. Hamels is what he is and his ERA against the AL East is not very good.
The Sox have to stop being stingy with their prospects,determine which ones they want to keep, and trade away the ones that will get a great SP return. Good Luck Ben you will need it!
Eduardo. More upside, comparable downside risk. If the change we saw over the end of last season was real, he's got a legit shot at developing into a #1. If not, he's still in the same ballpark as Owens.Doctor G said:Eduardo or Henry that is the question.
Minneapolis Millers said:Cespedes/Kelly does not make sense for the Reds. Not nearly enough value back, despite being able to control Kelly for a longer period. He's not a good enough player for that deal to work.
MAYBE they'd do it if you add another good young arm to the deal. Could we do it for less than Owens or Rodriquez? Cespedes/Kelly/Webster...? I still think they'd prefer higher upside, but maybe they'd see that as a nice balance of current and future value.
Hank Scorpio said:
I'd do Cespedes/Kelly and a lesser prospect (such as Webster) for Cueto, but I'd rather move an Owens for Hamels. Despite the money owed to Cole, he's a relative bargain to what Lester got, what Scherzer and Shields will get, and what Cueto and Price will get next season barring a disaster in 2015. I really like Cueto, but if I'm moving a top prospect for him, I want more than one year of control.
I doubt it. He had a mediocre season at AA Pensacola.Cincinnati has Robert Stephenson he should be up at mid season
Minneapolis Millers said:Isn't Cespedes/Kelly/Webster more than what Oakland just got for Shark? It might not be enough for Cueto, or the right package, but it's in the ballpark of total value.
Minneapolis Millers said:Isn't Cespedes/Kelly/Webster more than what Oakland just got for Shark? It might not be enough for Cueto, or the right package, but it's in the ballpark of total value.
Minneapolis Millers said:Isn't Cespedes/Kelly/Webster more than what Oakland just got for Shark? It might not be enough for Cueto, or the right package, but it's in the ballpark of total value.
Hank Scorpio said:Teams typically don't seem receptive to granting negotiation windows to their trade partners, although it would seem to be a good negotiating chip to bring in a better package.
Minneapolis Millers said:It was brought up in the other building a rotation thread, but I really like the idea of bugging BB about trading Sonny Gray. There's no particular reason he should be available, but that was true with Donaldson, too. Beane is overhauling that club and still has extra starting pitching. If he likes our 2d-level prospects (not Betts/X/Swihart) and guys like Nava/Holt/Craig, there might be a quantity for quality trade to be made.
If the Sox want to avoid paying top FA rates for top FA pitchers, they need to get someone who's controllable for a while and try to extend him.
For us Simpletons, what is the (perceived) significance of this?soxhop411 said:@nickcafardo: Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino is en route to San Diego.
Isn't today the final day of teh Winter Meetings as well?Ferm Sheller said:For us Simpletons, what is the (perceived) significance of this?
soxhop411 said:“@nickcafardo: Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino is en route to San Diego.”
Could be anything, but it's interesting that he's flying to the Winter Meetings.Ferm Sheller said:For us Simpletons, what is the (perceived) significance of this?
Clears Cleaver said:Lucchino: "Tom said ratings suck. Season ticket sales are down 20%. Theo just stole Lester. Sign Shields, Scherzer and trade whatever for Hamels! Get in there and buy, buy BUY!!!"
All true, but I assume Lucky is going to SD because that's where the winter meetings are, not necessarily because he's working on a trade with the Padres.foulkehampshire said:
Hahn, Ross, or Cashner would represent significant upgrades to the rotation. All young with good arsenals. Hell, one could make the case that even Kennedy would be the best SP on the Sox as currently constructed.
Ross would be my preference because his GB% is elite and he strikes out batters at a great clip (24%). A little worried about the injury risk, however its nowhere near as lengthy as Cashner.
I agree. Unfortunately a lot of GMs probably do as well.PrometheusWakefield said:Eduardo. More upside, comparable downside risk. If the change we saw over the end of last season was real, he's got a legit shot at developing into a #1. If not, he's still in the same ballpark as Owens.
You may have hit the nail on the head......... maybe Lucky is there to approve a big deal with tons of $$$ involved.HriniakPosterChild said:
It's not complicated. If the player being offered is not willing to negotiate an extension, you don't offer a window
The Rays owner Stuart Sternberg said Cobb was not available yesterday in an interview on MLBTVHank Scorpio said:This idea might be a bit off the wall, but I would definitely inquire about Alex Cobb. The Rays seem to be going nowhere fast, and he's about to start getting a bit expensive as he's now arb-eligible.
We'd have him for three more seasons before he's free agency eligible, very impressive numbers pitching in the AL East, including in Fenway Park and Yankee Stadium.
He's only 27 years old, and a Boston native, so he might be receptive to signing a long term extension.
Of course, the Rays might not be willing to deal him, especially in-division, but it certainly could not hurt to explore it.
Heise3B said:You may have hit the nail on the head......... maybe Lucky is there to approve a big deal with tons of $$$ involved.
I don't think they're a good fit. I think Chris Tillman is probably the best we could hope for from them, but his FIP/xFIP paint him as more of a back end starter and he's got 3 more years of control left so I don't think they're going to want to move him.GaryPeters71 said:
Rob Bradford @bradfo 12s12 seconds ago
Source: Orioles have interest in Cespedes. Nothing remotely imminent but O's view as good potential fit
What's a decent return for Yoenis?
3 way deals could be done.MakMan44 said:I don't think they're a good fit. I think Chris Tillman is probably the best we could hope for from them, but his FIP/xFIP paint him as more of a back end starter and he's got 3 more years of control left so I don't think they're going to want to move him.
"Mortimer, your brother John Henry is very ill"ManhattanRedSox said:
I'm reading this with the voice of Mortimer Duke in my head. If that was your intent, bravo.