Week 11 Game Thread
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Gurley might get 200 yards today. Miami playing backup linebackers at two spots and one backup FS
I heard an interview- I think he is getting a 'refresh' for a few weeks and is coming back. Don't quote me on that
The catch rule is incomprehensible now---I guess in the end-zone possession without a football move is enough.
Not a catch, using Butler on OBJ last year as precedent. Didn't maintain possession in either case, nor a football move.
Wow, upheld? No idea what a catch is these days, rules aren't applied consistently across games these days, either on top of all that.
Wow, upheld? No idea what a catch is these days, rules aren't applied consistently across games these days, either on top of all that.
I don't know whether that is our isn't a catch by the current rules, but I don't think that should be one.
Agreed---there is no consistency, and worst of all no one can even explain it. The players don't know what is a catch, and different crews interpret it different ways. A terrible situation.
I think the league wants deference to the on-field call in these judgment-call situations. I don't mind that in general, but I don't think deference should be paid in automatic review situations (scoring plays and turnovers), because officials often (appropriately, imo) err in favor of triggering automatic review, rather than calling them as they see them.
If the on-field call was afforded no deference, I think that's called no catch. Put it this way: if that play happened in the middle of the field, do you think it would've been called a catch and a fumble?? (I think there's a good case for calling sideline and end-zone plays differently, but that's not how the rules currently are written.)
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
Edit: adding this-
Item 3. End Zone Catches. The requirements for a catch in the end zone are the same as the requirements for a catch in the field of play.
Note: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, after which contact by a defender causes the ball to become loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
- secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
- touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
- maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).
Edit: adding this-
Item 3. End Zone Catches. The requirements for a catch in the end zone are the same as the requirements for a catch in the field of play.
Note: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, after which contact by a defender causes the ball to become loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
Agree with your first sentence, and find this to be a growing trend, for better or worse, in sports replays in general, perhaps to emphasize the importance (perhaps need) of on-field officials. Like you, if it goes to automatic review, deference doesn't need to be paid when a play leads to automatic review. We also agree that this was probably smart to call on-field as a TD, as to get the replay.
With no deference to on-field? Yeah, that's not called. My surprise (and, hence, my post) came at the surprise the the levity and/or weight of the original call's deference had, given the call of similar (non) receptions, like Dez in 2014, but moreso OBJ (called a TD on field, waived off after review; clip below) last year. As for a middle of the field, hm, good question. I'm not sure how many refs call it that way, but I do call it a fumble under 3-2-7, Item 2: "A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps."
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000580730/Catch-or-no-catch-Beckham-TD-called-back
I will never understand how offensive holding can offset with DPI. The DPI can not happen till the ball is in the air, offensive holding by the oline can not really happen after the ball has been thrown.
They should not offset, the holding should be upheld and the DPI should be forgotten.
They should not offset, the holding should be upheld and the DPI should be forgotten.
Offenses are playing Pro Madden skill level. Didn't think McCarthy or Gruden could handle more.
He is a very good HC, especially for this team. Put his job on the line benching RGIII and inserting Cousins. Not surprised by this call because they weren't stooping Rodgers. 4th and 2 in Indy, except it worked.
Who are the two Qb's? You cannot be referring to Tannerhill who led a great comeback today. He was 13 out of 16 for over 100 yards with 2 touchdowns in the 4 quarter today.
You have been asked twice now for a response and have failed to do so. Why not answer the question?
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Big Ben now has 10 wins in Cleveland, tied with Derek Anderson for most wins there since the Browns came back in 1999.
