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Love the fact that he's right out there for the next play while the guy he almost killed just got carted off. There's absolutely no reason that shouldn't be an ejection.
 

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I think you can only get ejected for unsportsmanlike penalties or for kicking or throwing punches. Rough play in the course of the game, no matter how brutal, I think is not an ejection offense unless the rules have changed recently.
 

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I watched replay again. Clearly leading with crown of helmet but I think he was lined up chest level and Adams was pulled down a good foot at last second. Still dirty but don't think he was head hunting.
 

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To be clear, I don't think there is any basis in NFL rules to eject the guy right now, at least that I am aware of. But if the NFL is serious about getting rid of hits like that the guy should be ejected. Sure you'll end up ejecting guys who didn't mean it or whatever, but so what?
 

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Oh no, Trevathan was head hunting. There is zero doubt. There was absolutely no reason why he needed to go in that hard. The guy was wrapped up, and in about a millisecond, the whistle would have blown. Just completely unnecessary, and as dirty as it gets.

The NFL needs to simply change the rule to allow for an ejection if a hit is that malicious. I actually think the college targeting rule is well done, right down to the automatic review, and suspension for the first half of the following game, if it occurs in the 2nd half of the game. It's become a real deterrent, and as someone who watches literally dozens of college games a week, it has clearly cut down on the number of hits to the head. The fact that someone can make that hit in an NFL game in 2017 and be on the field the next play is a problem the NFL needs to fix, and I honestly think they will.
 

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Oh no, Trevathan was head hunting. There is zero doubt. There was absolutely no reason why he needed to go in that hard. The guy was wrapped up, and in about a millisecond, the whistle would have blown. Just completely unnecessary, and as dirty as it gets.

The NFL needs to simply change the rule to allow for an ejection if a hit is that malicious. I actually think the college targeting rule is well done, right down to the automatic review, and suspension for the first half of the following game, if it occurs in the 2nd half of the game. It's become a real deterrent, and as someone who watches literally dozens of college games a week, it has clearly cut down on the number of hits to the head. The fact that someone can make that hit in an NFL game in 2017 and be on the field the next play is a problem the NFL needs to fix, and I honestly think they will.
I agree--the college rule seems to be working. The NFL needs to implement that, even though it means they'll have stars ejected from time to time.
 

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Why didn't he get a warning? What's the penalty where the second one you're booted.
 

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Part of the issue is that refs consistently allow the play to extend so long and the offense to fight for every half yard and have OL come crashing into the pile from 10 yards deep. I'm surprised we don't see more vicious hits of this nature as a result.
 

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Why didn't he get a warning? What's the penalty where the second one you're booted.
That's unsportsmanlike conduct, not unnecessary roughness. You know, for dancing too much in the end zone. If you get two of those in a game, you get ejected.
 

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From Kevin Seifart, on Twitter, whoever he is "During the offseason, NFL owners approved suspensions for "egregious" hits, even on first offense. If anyone deserves it under that new rule, it's Bears linebacker Danny Trevathan for his dirty hit on Packers WR Davante Adams. I am shocked Trevathan was not ejected, but he will almost certainly be suspended."
 

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Uggh, sideline reporter just called him Davante Parker while giving an update on his condition (taken to a hospital, movement in all extremities). Davante Parker plays for the Dolphins.
 

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You can see a Bears lineman going all wtf at the hit as it happens.

Actually, looking again, he was celebrating and then gave Trevethan a hug. Oops.
 

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LOL, needed a rocket up his ass to tip that one. And the call stands with no timeouts left for GB.
 

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Any replay will show you that Trevathan was clearly head hunting. That may be one of the dirtiest hits of the past few seasons. Sickening.
 

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Part of the issue is that refs consistently allow the play to extend so long and the offense to fight for every half yard and have OL come crashing into the pile from 10 yards deep. I'm surprised we don't see more vicious hits of this nature as a result.
Yes, this is a big problem. If the game was officiated more like a scrimmage (think of a college spring game where the play is over as soon as momentum is stopped), it would be much safer.

Of course, it would also be less entertaining, which is the ultimate hard spot for the league.
 

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Legitimate but unrealistic solution: Go back to leather helmets and minimal pads. The players would be forced to be less reckless, but again, as referenced above, the quality would suffer.
 

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To be clear, I don't think there is any basis in NFL rules to eject the guy right now, at least that I am aware of. But if the NFL is serious about getting rid of hits like that the guy should be ejected. Sure you'll end up ejecting guys who didn't mean it or whatever, but so what?
"automatic ejection for egregious hits to the head"

how does that not fit into that?
 

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Bad hit, but he's not head hunting right? He's trying to knock the ball out and force a fumble but Adams is simultaneously going down. Still dirty due to crown of the helmet though,
 

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The league should suspend Trevathan and the lead official who didn't kick him out of the game. That would send a message to the players to knock it off and to the refs to crack down. Not holding my breath.
 

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As Hurley noted in a really great article.

The Referee wasn't going to throw a flag until he saw the outcome.

Despite the obvious violence of the hit, there was no flag initially thrown on the play. Referee John Hussey didn’t throw his flag until 6.6 seconds after the hit. The flag was 100 percent thrown in reaction to the player being left lying motionless on the turf and not in reaction to the actual hit itself.

Here you can see Hussey well after the hit had been delivered:


(Screen shot from NFL.com/GamePass)

Here’s Hussey upon realizing that a player was knocked out, causing the ref to jog toward the spot of the hit:


(Screen shot from NFL.com/GamePass)

Here he is getting a better look at Adams’ status:


(Screen shot from NFL.com/GamePass)

And here he is finally throwing the flag:


(Screen shot from NFL.com/GamePass)

This flag was clearly thrown because of the result, not the action.
It's also an article worth reading in full.

It’s also against the rules to “initiate forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet,” but that’s rarely (if ever) called on a tackle on anyone except a quarterback.

Had Trevathan delivered that same exact hit but with a different result, it would have gone down as just another mostly forgotten play in the middle of an NFL game.

That’s really the part that should be the focus today. While dozens of columns have already been written and hours upon hours of talk radio and TV debate show segments have been devoted to calling for a suspension of Trevathan, the point is largely being missed.

Make no mistake: the hit was gross. Watching one man use his helmet as a weapon to damage someone else’s brain lost its luster quite a while ago.
 

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Legitimate but unrealistic solution: Go back to leather helmets and minimal pads. The players would be forced to be less reckless, but again, as referenced above, the quality would suffer.
Maybe not leather helmets but something like this is a good idea. Add in weight limits. Start with youth players and work up to the NFL. It would be complicated to work out the details and after 10 yrs the game would change somewhat but could bring real safety improvements.
 

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Legitimate but unrealistic solution: Go back to leather helmets and minimal pads. The players would be forced to be less reckless, but again, as referenced above, the quality would suffer.
If this is the case, why hasn't the threat of CTE "forced" players to be less reckless?

25 year old superstar athletes are terrible judges of risk, pretty much be definition.
 

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If I never see another God damn fade in my life, I'll be a happy man.
And if you must run one...why to the aging hobbled TE. It should be Parker or throw it out of the playbook. Shit start to the morning...
 

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Headsets are down so the Saints contingency plan is to have the backup QB literally walk onto the field to relay the play to Brees? Seems like this is something they should have a better plan for.
 

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I'm pretty sure I'd be tearing McDaniels a new one if he called for two straight Peterson runs in that situation.