Chatham agrees with me FWIW:
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
JuJu drops the 4th down pass and we say Mac could have thrown a much better pass. I hate Juju as much as I hate Mac, the reality is they both suck and when you rely on 2 terrible players to convert 2 tough plays back to back, that is the result.Yeah that was all on the corpse of JuJu. What a colossal disaster that signing has been. Great work Bill.
It was on JuJu. I was just saying that they’d need to get some more yards. Probably had a snap or two to do that after they would have clocked it.Yeah, it was the 33.
But if Mac doesn't make that throw, we're assuming there's another option out there. An incompletion is fine, stops the clock. A completion probably puts them there with 15+ seconds left after a spike. You gotta take that throw if it's there, and it was, and he made it, and JuJu did JuJu things.
agree but also the game should have ended the play before, Juju bailed him out with a great catchCount me among those thinking that INT isn't on Mac. Yeah he could have had a better game but blaming him for that pick is a stretch.
There’s 3 or 4 really good QB prospects. Only question now is if the Pats take the right one.Do we think Caleb Williams has cried his way down into the range of where the Pats will pick?
He had both hands on it. Don’t we always say that if an NFL WR gets two hands on a ball then he HAS to catch it?JuJu drops the 4th down pass and we say Mac could have thrown a much better pass. I hate Juju as much as I hate Mac, the reality is they both suck and when you rely on 2 terrible players to convert 2 tough plays back to back, that is the result.
We really need to see the rest of the field with All 22.Chatham agrees with me FWIW:
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
Ahhh, gotcha. It’s OK, I say enough dumb nonsense that deserves calling out.Sorry, I meant to quote another poster that mentioned how he can’t try to throw into a tight window there
The guy who’s saying Mac’s arm is super strong? He needs to make up his mind.Chatham agrees with me FWIW:
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
But Mac is by far the most glaring one. He was dreadful today, as he has been all season.Singling out mac is delusional at this point imo. He sucks. Flat out. But the outcome of that game is different if raegor makes the catch on the deep ball; juju makes the final catch; hell even if Thornton keeps running that route that he was benched for after. Outcome might also be different if the punt return team didn’t eff up like 4 straight times. They have so many deficiencies at this point the hand wringing about which aspect is the most deficient is boring to me.
This. The throw should have been a catch. JuJu sucks. Unfortunately so does Mac and pretty much every one else on this roster on the offensive side.Mac and Juju both suck. Juju bailed him out on the 4th down play and then fucked him on the int. Shit team with shit players. Let’s get a draft pick.
not when the ground is inches awayHe had both hands on it. Don’t we always say that if an NFL WR gets two hands on a ball then he HAS to catch it?
Nah, He should have caught it. A few of you have really lost it. Like others have said, Mac does soooo many things poorly. It’s Ok to blame someone else when something isn’t really his fault.not when the ground is inches away
I just don’t see it that way. I’m as angry at special teams as I am at mac. Douglas deciding to run it back, followed by all those penalties. And they are relying on fucking Jalen raegor to make big plays for them. I just think it’s more of a systemic problem than the qb. You’ve got a qb that routinely makes bad decisions, skill guys that can’t come up with big plays when the qb makes good decisions/throws, and the special teams routinely making the hill to climb even steeper.But Mac is by far the most glaring one. He was dreadful today, as he has been all season.
Just to be clear I'm talking about the 4th down dirt ball Juju picked off the ground. I agree 100% he should catch the last pass but the 4th down catch is incomplete 80% of the time. When you throw tight windows consistently this is the result.Nah, He should have caught it. A few of you have really lost it. Like others have said, Mac does soooo many things poorly. It’s Ok to blame someone else when something isn’t really his fault.
Gotcha. Yeah I was talking strictly about the interception.Just to be clear I'm talking about the 4th down dirt ball Juju picked off the ground. I agree 100% he should catch the last pass but the 4th down catch is incomplete 80% of the time. When you throw tight windows consistently this is the result.
Is there another "Stroud" out there?There’s 3 or 4 really good QB prospects. Only question now is if the Pats take the right one.
Boutte catches thatThat pick is mostly bad luck.
Throw wasn't great, too fair in front to be that low making it a rougher catch on the run but the positive is usually no real chance at a pick.
Juju, that's not an easy catch made harder by the defended turning him with the pull makes it hard to to get the bottom hand in position to catch.
Should Juju catch that... Maybe? Not easy but not insane most likely outcome if you don't get a call is incomplete... But dumb luck on the bounce makes you it a pick.
This guy gets itSome of you guys would be defending Scott Secules and Tommy Hodson.
On that particular play, yes. Mac is bad. Most of the rest of this team is bad. Sometimes, on a given play, Mac is not the one doing the bad thing and it’s a different bad player doing the bad thing. Nobody is saying Mac is good. I don’t think anyone is even arguing he’s average at this point. Some of us are just saying that not every bad outcome on the field is on him, he occasionally does some okay stuff.Some of you guys would be defending Scott Secules and Tommy Hodson.
Wait. There are people who disagree with you here?Chatham agrees with me FWIW:
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
Hugh had four or 5 last minute wins in his season as a starter IIRC. Mac has one in his career.This guy gets it
But you forgot to include Hugh Millen
Can this Pats team run that kind of play? Catch a ball, run up to the line, and spike it, without a penalty?If JuJu catches that they are firmly in FG range and have plenty of time to get up to the line to spike it. It was a perfectly fine throw, a good one even, that an NFL receiver has to make.
That said, Mac sucks and the offense in general is not an NFL caliber offense. They are objectively bad.
Saying the pick at the end wasn’t his fault isn’t defending him. He’s horrible and I can’t really watch much more of him. The fourth down throw to Juju was awful. He had a ton of awful throws, his mechanics suck, he’s got a noddle arm, and his decision making isn’t good. But the last throw wasn’t bad and the INT was not his fault. He’s still a big reason why they lost though.Some of you guys would be defending Scott Secules and Tommy Hodson.
Ok I’m less angry now. I actually agree, mac is the most glaring problem. But I also think there are so many other glaring issues the team still wouldn’t be anywhere remotely close to fun to watch (which is kind of the goal right?) even with a significantly better qb. So that’s why I find the handwringing about which is the most glaring issue tiring. But that’s my perspective…if yours is that they’d be a fun/competitive team with better qb play I get all the shade thrown macs way, even if I don’t agree with itBut Mac is by far the most glaring one. He was dreadful today, as he has been all season.
I truly believe that a good QB on this very same team would solve a ton of their issues. The players clearly don't believe in him, thus they all try to do too much on special teams and with routes and fuck up. The defense feels the pressure on them because they know the offense sucks, so they overplay and commit penalties in a desperate attempt to keep the team in the game.Ok I’m less angry now. I actually agree, mac is the most glaring problem. But I also think there are so many other glaring issues the team still wouldn’t be anywhere remotely close to fun to watch (which is kind of the goal right?) even with a significantly better qb. So that’s why I find the handwringing about which is the most glaring issue tiring. But that’s my perspective…if yours is that they’d be a fun/competitive team with better qb play I get all the shade thrown macs way, even if I don’t agree with it
I can’t bring myself to blame dumb D and st penalties on mac. I get the point about trying to do too much, but if that’s routinely happening (which it is) that to me ends up falling on coaching. That’s their job. Root that shit out.I truly believe that a good QB on this very same team would solve a ton of their issues. The players clearly don't believe in him, thus they all try to do too much on special teams and with routes and fuck up. The defense feels the pressure on them because they know the offense sucks, so they overplay and commit penalties in a desperate attempt to keep the team in the game.
Everything flows from having a shitty QB. My POV is that if they had a decent to good QB out there with this very same team, they'd easily be above .500. Mac is absolutely killing them. The WRs aren;t great but they aren;t THAT bad. They have a QB throwing to them who literally cannot throw an NFL ball.
I see a lot of ST plays where the returner is trying to make some extraordinary play he has no business making. I honestly believe that he's doing that because he feels that's the only chance they have at winning the game. That, again, is because they know Mac sucks.I can’t bring myself to blame dumb D and st penalties on mac. I get the point about trying to do too much, but if that’s routinely happening (which it is) that to me ends up falling on coaching. That’s their job. Root that shit out.
I agree that’s why they are doing it.I see a lot of ST plays where the returner is trying to make some extraordinary play he has no business making. I honestly believe that he's doing that because he feels that's the only chance they have at winning the game. That, again, is because they know Mac sucks.
I kind of get that. But that third down and long conversion on a QB scramble was just bad defense, not on Mac.I see a lot of ST plays where the returner is trying to make some extraordinary play he has no business making. I honestly believe that he's doing that because he feels that's the only chance they have at winning the game. That, again, is because they know Mac sucks.
Of course it was; on a play like that in practice, Mac always turtles. Defense wasn't used to seeing what Howell did.I kind of get that. But that third down and long conversion on a QB scramble was just bad defense, not on Mac.
That is it. I completely forgot. Thanks for reminding me.Of course it was; on a play like that in practice, Mac always turtles. Defense wasn't used to seeing what Howell did.
Same here, but we have the head-to-head game to look forward toIn my anger, I had it backwards. I blame DST.