What will the C's do at the deadline?
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Based on the trade scenarios//offers floated, I really hope they do nothing. The East is unstable at the moment, and DS is undervalued by most Celtics fans all things considered. Making him the captain of the bench for a playoff run might be the best solution available.
Yeah, unless you can get a bench player who is a better fit, there is no way you can trade Schroeder now.
The bench is looking like the teams biggest weakness, and it currently is looking like the team has only three NBA players outside of the starting 5. None of those 3 (GWilliams, Richardson or Schroeder) can be traded unless you’re bringing back someone as good or better to replace them. Pritchard is having his worst stretch of the season at the worst possible time for him. No way you can entrust him with backup PG duties..
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The thought process seems to be that Richardson could take over the backup PG role defensively. I don’t think those minutes will automatically go to Pritchard. If anything, I’d expect Langford to get more burn as the eighth man in the rotation unless they bring someone back in trade.
aren't they currently under the tax, assuming no Brown ASG?
IF that's the case, I think it could be pretty boring. Team is too good to blow up with how they've been playing lately. Not good enough to go into the tax, would be my guess from ownership (hope I'm wrong)
IF that's the case, I think it could be pretty boring. Team is too good to blow up with how they've been playing lately. Not good enough to go into the tax, would be my guess from ownership (hope I'm wrong)
The problem is that Brown could still be named as a replacement if a player decides to skip the festivities due to injury. So I think Brad will want more of a cushion against the tax threshold rather than assume Brown will not make the All-Star team. If he cannot get a compelling return for Schroeder, he will probably make some other moves to get under the tax. It's hard to see what other moves this team can make at the deadline to improve the roster.
about $800k in the tax without Brown's incentives, over $2M with them, they likely have a directive to make sure they aren't in the tax no matter what so they'll use the larger number in case a couple guys get injured/sick/withdraw.
I assume they would replace Schroder with Romeo and Richardson minutes, and either bring someone back in a move or target buyouts.
I don't think Schroder is particularly good, last night wasn't an aberration, I think it was closer to the norm, in that he just will not fit what they want to do. Even the deep bench unit was better without him than with him last night, and at one point Al was yelling at him to move the damn ball. Occasionally Schroder goes on a heater and scores a bunch, but more often than not what he does is murder the pace of the offense, go full cooler on whoever has it going on offense and play mediocre D. I see no scenario where Schroder makes a major difference to this season's outcome, so if you have anything of interest out there a trade makes sense.
while I disagree with your DS assessment, let's leave that to the side for a moment...
What does it say to the league, players, agents that they are dumping DS for CAP reasons?
Last season was understandable, dumping Theis/Green for flotsam to save $$$ to avoid being hard-capped (Thanks to the Tristan signing / Enes+ Bane dump)
Now it's about avoiding the repeater, fine, but make other moves and use 2nds to dump those salaries. Not your 8th man (at worse)
I doubt it says much of anything. Schroeder may even benefit, as he could get major minutes on his new team while playing for his next contract. Teams trade players to get under the tax every year.
That it's a business? I think people wildly overrate how much players care about whether one bench guy is traded for another. Also that they underrate how much the league, agents and players understand long-term planning. Avoiding the repeater tax for Tatum's contract is big and lets them make big moves in the offseason. Swapping 8th men isn't a big deal, it happens every year. We're the 7th seed right now, nobody is going to be outraged if we make our 9th man our 8th man and save tax, especially if (as is likely) they end up with some kind of future asset.
Nothing, because they have enough different ways to get under the cap that no one with any understanding of the situation would see it as primarily a cap move.
Agreed it's a business but shows me that maybe they aren't the rocket scientists that some prep around here.
NBA front offices are chock full of ex-jocks, sycophants, and children/friends of ownership. It shouldn't be that difficult for the Celtics' to outmaneuver some of these NBA teams.
3rd leading scorer + the only PG that can breakdown a D for their shot isn't really your 8th man. Especially for a team that has a pedestrian offense.
We are talking about the Celtics dumping Schroder for a 2nd + salary
Obviously, I'm in favor of them doing " different ways to get under the cap"
If Brad's sole goal is to get under the cap, he will pay someone cash to take Bol or Dozier.
If Brad is doing Schroder for a second, it's because he wants that pick.
Getting under the CAP by paying to dump Bol/Dozier makes complete sense, 100% agree. Brad should do that (if no other accretive deal happens). Under CAP teams get ~ a $10MM payout, so they could use that capital to buy 2nds.
Just note a 2nd round pick sold for $2MM last year & has no bearing on the CAP. SO dumping DS for a 2nd should be perceived as a Wyc/Steve/front office wallet fattening exercise.
OR
Do you believe Schroder is a net negative on this team, and feel PP/Romeo would be better off with those minutes? IME hasn't felt that way so far
I don't know. I just don't think league, players, agents are going to care if Brad trades Schroder for a 2nd.
Can we stop using this and pretending it means something? He Grant and Al are in an everchanging race for the 6th-8th highest scorers since the rotation change considerably behind 5th.
Schroder has one skill we kind of need, and he has it inconsistently. He's a detriment to the pace and passing in basically every game. It's like a guy who shoot 38% from 3 and is streaky, but is always bad at basically everything else. You don't need that guy very much.
Edit- not that it matters, sounds like they are talking only about deals where it isn't a straight dump as they have backups in case they need to :View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1491459244574576640
I presume that's the old... Cash and a 2nd to OKC to eat some combination of Bruno/Bol/Kanter/Dozier
Cool that makes complete sense. Smith/Weiss are my two favorite reporters and trust their takes.
Ok, I'll let it die after this, but this team is challenged on offense.
# of games scoring 20+pts/game this season:
Dennis Schroder: 16x
Smart + Horford + JRich + Grant + TimeLord = 11x
Like it or not, DS is clearly their 3rd wheel on offense
No. Because he got those in a completely different rotation when guys were out. 13 of those 16 games were starts (and 1 of the others he played 35 minutes).
Since we've been healthy he's been relegated to a much smaller role, and will continue there. If you want to argue that we need to keep him incase Smart gets hurt... fine, but I think it's fair to say that if Smart gets hurt long term we can't compete anyway.
Schroder's problem is that he's acceptable with the starters (minus Smart) and bad with the bench. But Smart is GREAT with the starters, so Schroder isn't going to start.
I'm 99% sure there will be injuries, players missing games, load mgmt, etc. between now and the playoffs
He did feel that way for one 4Q that turned out to be the one disaster since our cupcake schedule began around a month ago. Fortunately he hasn’t felt that way since. Having the Bol/Dozier deals to fix the paperwork issue the only way we should move a key rotation piece is if there was a prearranged agreement that Brad had with his agent to move him at the deadline.
They didn't dump Theis/Green to avoid being hard capped last year. They were already hard capped. They dumped them to get under the tax, same as this year likely will be.
Last years tax ducking trade was more egregious in my opinion than dumping Schroder would be, since Theis was starting for Boston all season.
But less egregious because there was no conceivable way that you'd want to start the repeater clock for last year's team.
The trade also forced Brad to play TL more, and he's been on a great trajectory since then. This isn't hindsight; a lot of people at the time thought Ainge might have wanted to force that, in addition to tax considerations.
Right it was about avoiding the repeater last season
According to Keith Smith they have set up the avenues to dump salary while keeping DS, so it's much ado about nothing.
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Brad had been playing TL more before the trade deadline. He had established career highs in minutes a few times that March and IIRC, it was pretty obvious that there weren't enough minutes for 3 bigs who couldn't play with each other. Brad also said repeatedly that BOS's upside was TL. And since no one was taking TT's contract at the deadline, moving Theis was an organizational no-brainer.
I hesitate to get in a guy's head, but I think DS's figurative shoulders slumped when the team really took off after everyone regained health and he became cemented into the 6-8 group. Both his likely view that he sees himself as an NBA starter and the real-world hit that gives to his next contract may have played a role in that. My perception is clouded by the fact that I never liked him all that much to begin with (although he's had several good games this season), but I think his play will worsen as the season goes on with him in this role and no way out of it (short of backcourt injury). That said, his bench minutes would have to be replaced by someone not worse.
Yeah, pretty hard to see anyone paying him $15M+, which he probably assumed he could play his way into.
Yea I initially agreed with your premise (DS slumped shoulders), then there was talk of an Achilles injury. For 2 weeks (7 games) he played poorly + fewer minutes, maybe he was dinged up? The last 3 games he's averaged 20mpg & 14ppg in his bench role.
I mean we can look at a SSS (2 weeks) of poor play OR we can look at his last 6 years of NBA play where he has been a rotational player/top 3 scorer on playoff teams. Expecting him to be worse/useless seems reactionary unless he is injured
I've never been a big Dennis Schroder fan either. I also advocated for dealing him with assets for a young, blocked PG if the the C's were middling around/below .500 at the Trade Deadline. BUT here we are, gaining ground in the East with 26 regular-season games left. With the most important part of the season approaching (post All-Star + Playoffs) taking away PG depth from a team that yearns for ballhandling + experience seems needless when you can dump Bol/Dozier for CAP purposes. Placing him on an EC competitor like the Bucks, Bulls or the Cavs for nothing is an even worse idea.
PLUS expecting the starting 5 to continue with their recent perfect health, not needing load mgmt or days off is short-sighted.
There goes Donte -
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The Kings are acquiring Milwaukee's Donte DiVencenzo in a four-team trade, sources tell ESPN. Marvin Bagley is going to the Pistons.
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The Kings are acquiring Milwaukee's Donte DiVencenzo in a four-team trade, sources tell ESPN. Marvin Bagley is going to the Pistons.