Bloom seems to have left Tampa on good terms, and Quatraro's path to a big-league managing chair in the Rays organization is blocked by Kevin Cash for the foreseeable future. If the Sox managing job was open when Bloom was hired, I doubt the Rays would have stood in the way if he wanted to bring Quatraro to Boston.Why? If anything, they should be more reluctant to negotiate.
My read of this is that the oddsmakers don’t think other members of the Sox’ coaching staff will be implicated. (Because if coaches are implicated, I can’t see the Sox going with an internal hire like Roenicke, even if he personally emerges unscathed.)
I think you are wrong about this. I bet Buck could garner a slight majority in fan support, say 55-60% in favor. His coming in could have a "Cincinnatus talked off the farm" vibe to it. I would not be in favor, FWIW.Somehow I doubt Showalter would want it. IIMO he wouldn't be caught dead in a Red Sox uniform. Nor would most of the fan base want him.
I think Bochy has had his fill of analytics-first GMs.Bochy, Varitek or Ausmus.
I doubt that. IMO The fans would love to throw Showalter to the sharks with every single perceived error made. Plus everything he's ever said about the Sox organization makes me think he can't stand us. The feeling is pretty mutual.Quoting form another thread, but...
I think you are wrong about this. I bet Buck could garner a slight majority in fan support, say 55-60% in favor. His coming in could have a "Cincinnatus talked off the farm" vibe to it. I would not be in favor, FWIW.
Can they stick with Roenicke though? He had to have known about this. Any spoke in the wheel of silence (Except the players obviously) may have to go.I think they should stick with Roenicke. He knows the players and the organization and the players know him. I see limited upside to introducing more uncertainty to what is already a complicated and difficult situation. And it will give Chaim time to consider other longer-term managerial candidates. as he also ponders the more pressing needs of reconfiguring the team.
Golf clap.My wish list:
1. Gene Lamont - Former AL Manager of the Year. Should have been hired by Lucky in 2012. Deserves a shot 8 years later.
2. Mike Cubbage - Often wonder how 03 would have turned out if he was named the permanent manager in 02.
3. Tony Pena - Another former AL Manager of the Year. Surprised this brilliant baseball mind does not currently have a job in MLB. Spent over a decade with NYY. Could provide invaluable intel on the rival.
It’s a shame Mike Matheny was already hired by the Royals this offseason. He would have been a great pick to keep the ship steady in 2020.
Its a pipe dream which is why I never really entertained it but I'm all for Henry backing up a dump truck full of cash in Bochys driveway.Anyone but Showalter. He’s even below Bobby V on my list
mic your s looking for a seasoned vet, take a shot at Bochy.
Known about what? Roenicke wasn’t in Houston.Can they stick with Roenicke though? He had to have known about this. Any spoke in the wheel of silence (Except the players obviously) may have to go.
Well he can always play this card..."It's not me it's them" Seriously though it's going to be difficult with a small pool of candidates as well as the fact that Houston is also looking for a manager and honestly Houston may be seen as the better gig ATM.I love Dustin Pedroia, but what about him has ever given anyone the feeling that he's the next great manager in waiting?
This is a heck of a situation to put a guy who hasn't managed in the bigs yet. Talk about baptism by fire.I like the idea of a guy like McMillon getting a shot. He managed in the organization 7 years and has worked his way up the ranks.
Doesn't he have a reputation of not being media friendly? Not that it should prevent him from getting an interview but this organization seems to value that aspect of anyone they hire.I like the idea of a guy like McMillon getting a shot. He managed in the organization 7 years and has worked his way up the ranks.
Houston will likely promote Espada, I’d think.Well he can always play this card..."It's not me it's them" Seriously though it's going to be difficult with a small pool of candidates as well as the fact that Houston is also looking for a manager and honestly Houston may be seen as the better gig ATM.
It's a veteran team. This team is not expected to win a title, they're coming off a down year. Give him the interim tag and see how he does. There aren't many options of people that have worked with some of these guys before. I don't personally feel like hiring someone from the outside is going to be ideal. Of course, none of this is ideal.This is a heck of a situation to put a guy who hasn't managed in the bigs yet. Talk about baptism by fire.
You can't lump Pedroia's chances and Tek's. Pedroia is a current member of the Red Sox, and under no circumstances would be a manager (I also don't think he'd make a good one) but he's 100% out for very obvious reasons. I don't know if the suggestions of him are parody or not.Some of these suggestions are....just wow.
Pedroia's not going to become manager. Period, end of story, stop throwing it out there because it's not funny or clever. It's out of the realm of possibility as it should be. No, the Sox aren't getting out from under his salary.
Varitek is not going to become manager. Full stop, end of story. He's never had one day of managerial experience at any level, and this situation is now officially a shitshow. Not a place to start one's career. He can start in Lowell or Portland like everyone else.
Lots of players have noted his help in defensive, offensive, and pitching advice. He is a great noticer and communicater.I love Dustin Pedroia, but what about him has ever given anyone the feeling that he's the next great manager in waiting?
Echoing NDame above - neither did Boone. Unless I'm mistaken Boone didn't have a single role in the clubhouse or front office other than player before he became manager, so Varitek actually has considerably MORE experience than Boone did when he was hired.Varitek has no experience running any team at any level. He's not a viable candidate.
Same with David Ross. Was a color analyst and hired as a special assistant to the Cubs. I'm not sure if Matheny was employed by any club before he was hired as manager as well.Echoing NDame above - neither did Boone. Unless I'm mistaken Boone didn't have a single role in the clubhouse or front office other than player before he became manager, so Varitek actually has considerably MORE experience than Boone did when he was hired.
That's not to say Varitek will be the choice or would be a good choice if he was chosen (I tend to agree throwing him into the fire with little time to prepare wouldn't be the best option, and he probably would say the same thing), but his lack of having managed a team in the past is not disqualifying if the Sox otherwise thought he was a good fit.
Edit: another way to look at it is that Varitek more or less has the same amount of managerial experience that Beltran has.
That seems to be the consensus. Not sure if he was on the staff in '17, so perhaps they might want a clean break.Houston will likely promote Espada, I’d think.
Not in love with the idea of Tek by any means. But there is a precedent for an ex catcher who has no experience running a team winning a world series his first year. Bob Brenly did it back in 01. He was very briefly a coach with the Giants before that. Boone as someone else mentioned is another former player who became a manager with zero experience.It does matter. This is not some smooth-running machine, this is a full on crisis. Varitek has no experience running any team at any level. He's not a viable candidate. He might be a popular one but that's a very different animal.
Hiring Varitek would be a biggest disaster than hiring Bobby Valentine ever was.
Probably not worth going many more rounds on this but I assume if Varitek were hired it would be because the Red Sox thought he was the best candidate, not solely as a PR move.Boone wasn't hired as solely a PR move as Varitek would be. Big difference.
Ok, looked at objectively, how is he any worse of a candidate than Boone or David Ross (or Bob Brenly as TB points out, etc.)? This is really an academic discussion though because I suspect Varitek doesn't want to manage (at least at the moment). I'm just saying if the Sox announce in two weeks that Tek is the new manager I'm not going to be beside myself with frustration.Loved him as a player, but you have to separate the fandom and look at him objectively as a candidate.
Mentioned in another thread that I wondered if he had interest in becoming pitching coach. His game prep is legendary and from all accounts he gelled well with his staff which I would think should carry over into the new role. He's with the team, familiar with the personnel, far enough removed from his playing days not to be too close to the staff, but not long enough that he's lost the notoriety for being one of the best catchers in the game. And perhaps as pitching coach (and former teammate) he might be able to convince fellow "special assistant" Martinez to look at certain specifics that he (Varitek) has identified as flaws. I'm sure that's part of what Pedro does now, but Tek would likely have a much different relationship with him and perhaps work with Pedro differently than previous pitching coaches.Some of these suggestions are....just wow.
Pedroia's not going to become manager. Period, end of story, stop throwing it out there because it's not funny or clever. It's out of the realm of possibility as it should be. No, the Sox aren't getting out from under his salary.
Varitek is not going to become manager. Full stop, end of story. He's never had one day of managerial experience at any level, and this situation is now officially a shitshow. Not a place to start one's career. He can start in Lowell or Portland like everyone else.
I'm not saying they shouldn't but the media's motto these days is, " Come in first and come in worst." A "disposable" manager is what I'd do.It's a veteran team. This team is not expected to win a title, they're coming off a down year. Give him the interim tag and see how he does. There aren't many options of people that have worked with some of these guys before. I don't personally feel like hiring someone from the outside is going to be ideal. Of course, none of this is ideal.
I don't know about media stuff, etc, I just like the idea of a guy coming up through the ranks is my point.
He told Bob Nightengale yesterday he planned to sit out 2020 and wasn't a candidate for the Astros job (link below). As a Yankees fan, I'd love to see BOS hire Bochy as I continue to think his Giants tenure was wildly overrated and he would crash and burn in 2020 in the AL East, but it doesn't seem like an option anyway.Bruce Bochy has said he had one more rodeo in him. He’s my second (close) favorite manager after Tito. He did have a couple of minor heart procedures in recent years. He went back to managing shortly after both. He is 64. If you want a high integrity guy with experience, he’s certainly it. Hire him, if he shows a sincere interest in the job (which would be a criteria for any candidate).