@WojYahooNBA: Raptors and Kings are near agreement on a deal centered on Rudy Gay, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Because they don't think he's an awful player.bbc23 said:Woj now saying Salmons is involved. This is the weirdest trade I've ever seen a team make. I just don't understand for a second why the 5-13 Kings are trading away a bunch of pieces for such an awful contract and player.
knucklecup said:@SpearsNBAYahoo: Kings plan on using Rudy Gay as a stretch power forward & see Gay & Derrick Williams as interchangeable guarding either forward, source says
Brickowski said:For both teams, this is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The Kings save money if Gay opts out because they unloaded the Hayes contract.Brickowski said:For both teams, this is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I'd say there's a good chance that Gay opts out this summer. He won't get another contract of that size, but he'll probably want to lock in the additional guaranteed money.radsoxfan said:
Yup, but with the added benefit for Toronto that they save a bunch of money.
If the players are largely irrelevant, the team that wins financially wins the trade.
Grin&MartyBarret said:I'd say there's a good chance that Gay opts out this summer. He won't get another contract of that size, but he'll probably want to lock in the additional guaranteed money.
You think he sucks but yet think he's going to leave $19.3 million dollars on the table? That ain't happening.Blacken said:The Kings save money if Gay opts out because they unloaded the Hayes contract.
Grin&MartyBarret said:Edit: That said, I have a feeling Toronto doesn't make this deal if they were confident Gay was opting out. So who knows.
Both Vasquez and 2Pat are good pickups for a team in Toronto's position. Hayes is an offensive zero but gives you valuable defensive minutes in a bench role.radsoxfan said:Can't imagine they are really excited by any of the guys they are getting, though I guess its possible they like Vazquez or something.
Explain how freeing $6m of cap space by getting rid of players during Tanksgiving makes them incompetent. Thomas is due for a raise after next year and Thornton is an expiring. They now have some money to throw around and see if they can come up with a decent player in free agency after next year.Cellar-Door said:Meet the new Kings just as incompetent as the old kings.
Blacken said:Explain how freeing $6m of cap space makes them incompetent.
A bad or declining player is significantly better off getting years now even if he foregoes some money to do so. 4/$44m is a better deal for Gay any day of the week than $19m next year and that's the absolute floor he'll get. There are metrics-stupid and just-plain-stupid teams (Cleveland, when LeBron ignores them?) who'd give him 4/$60m or more.knucklecup said:You think he sucks but yet think he's going to leave $19.3 million dollars on the table? That ain't happening.
Rudy Gay is highly unlikely to leave 19.3M on the table just to hit FA a year earlier, he's 27 and barring a catastrophic injury he'll get a very similar deal at 28 as at 27 and the difference if there is any will be more than made up by the 19M he gets next year. They are taking on more money next year, while getting aplayer who will dominate the ball and stall the growth of their young players. That is a massive downside, that more than enough to offset the small possibility Gay leaves and they save 6M, which after they re-sign Cousins won't even leave them Max cap space.Blacken said:Explain how freeing $6m of cap space by getting rid of players during Tanksgiving makes them incompetent. Thomas is due for a raise after next year and Thornton is an expiring. They now have some money to throw around and see if they can come up with a decent player in free agency after next year.
Blacken said:Ordinarily I'd agree that there's not a lot of difference, but Gay is putting his free agent value (with good teams, at least) in a wood chipper every night he buttresses that 38% FG%. Even the morons pay attention to that, even if they don't quite get why.
This is why I said "more than 4/$44m", I agree that 4/$60 is rather unlikely except for the fact that you have a number of GMs who are working to keep their jobs. Chris Grant is going to be on the hot seat (if he isn't already, with Waiters and Bennett) if LeBron doesn't come back, for example. A panic overpay for Gay is just what Cavstown would do.radsoxfan said:I agree with your disdain for Gay. But if this sentence is true, even if there are dumb GMs out there, something between 4/44 and 4/60 seems pretty damn optimistic to me.
I'm not sure your "Gay Sucks" and "Gay is going to make 4/60 as a FA" theories can co-exist very easily. NBA GMs are bad, but Gay for 4/60 bad? After how he has played the last couple years?
Blacken said:EDIT: Moore said it best on Twitter just now: Basically, the deal for Sacramento is good if Rudy opts out, meh if he opts in, and terrible if they sign him to an extension. And I think an opt-out is very likely given the state of the NBA right now.
radsoxfan said:
Yup, but with the added benefit for Toronto that they save a bunch of money.
If the players are largely irrelevant, the team that wins financially wins the trade.
I bet on that game, watched every second of it, and had a much different take.Brickowski said:I watched some of last night's game in LA and it's pretty clear that Toronto is a better team without Gay. Addition by subtraction.
knucklecup said:I bet on that game, watched every second of it, and had a much different take.
The Lakers were losing that game regardless. There was no way they were going to live up to the hype.
Kobe coming out to the Star Wars theme? It was a joke, Kobe's a joke, and the Lakers are a joke.
Grin&MartyBarret said:
Gay is 19 games into what could end up being the worst shooting season of all time. I doubt Toronto will end up better off without him, primarily because they're going to ship off Lowry and others shortly, but just like in Memphis Toronto will likely end up more efficient just by virtue of having anybody but Gay use those 19 possessions.
Devizier said:
Sir, you have a phone call from Antoine Walker on line one. Should I put Desmond Mason on hold?
Grin&MartyBarret said:
In 2002-03, Walker had his worst shooting season. He shot 38.8% from the field, and led the league in 3 point attempts despite only shooting 32.3%. From inside the arc, he shot 42.7%.
So far this year, Rudy Gay is shooting 38.8% from the field and 39.1% from inside the arc. Basically, the only thing keeping him from eclipsing Walker is that he's shooting 37.3% from 3. But if he does this from here on out, it's going to be very, very close to Walker's worst season. He also has taken more shots than LeBron James, which is exactly what you want a bad shooter to do.
System works perfectly well, it just means that the team would have won 3 more games if they had played all of his minutes 5 on 4 instead of playing him.Devizier said:
No doubt, Rudy Gay is terrible. He's like a throwback to the chucker era of the late-90s, early 00's.
Fun fact: According to OWS, the worst offensive single-season in modern history belongs to Mark Macon, who is probably better remembered for his college ball.
His rookie season, he played 76 games, averaging 30 MPG.
He shot 37.5% on 11.7 FGA per game, and only 11.3% from behind the arc.
He also had 2.2 assists against 2.0 turnovers, and pulled down 3.4 rebounds per game.
By OWS, he was worth -3 wins on offense, which is remarkable because you cannot win negative games in basketball. In other words, he was so bad, he broke the system.