I hate to say it that this panel of ARod, Ibanez and Millar is fantastic. Frank Thomas notsomuch
Agreed. Ibanez is very good.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:I hate to say it that this panel of ARod, Ibanez and Millar is fantastic. Frank Thomas notsomuch
Pains me to say this, but I agree.glasspusher said:Having someone from the MFY and sox 2004 teams on the same set of analysts should be a must. Now Millar and ARod!
Please, give us ARod over HR. ARod is good in the booth.
I have been campaigning for this since the playoffs started.glasspusher said:Having someone from the MFY and sox 2004 teams on the same set of analysts should be a must. Now Millar and ARod!
Please, give us ARod over HR. ARod is good in the booth.
That's amazing.Leskanic's_Thread said:“The Mets have nothing to hold their heads down for, except they didn’t play that well and they gave away this World Series.” -Frank Thomas, assassin
Congrats to the Royals. An enjoyable team, and I'm happy they made New York fans sad.
Apisith said:Do the Royals lose any of their key players? Gordon is a FA, right?
E5 Yaz said:
Gordon, Zobrist, Cueto, Chris Young and (injured) Greg Holland all could leave.
Time honored trope:jtn46 said:Wasn't able to gamethread until the game was over, but this is what I thought before the 9th...
The problem with giving Harvey the 9th is that Familia has been completely unable to strand runners in this series, so whatever circumstance arises that pushes Collins to take Harvey out of the game is a bad situation to bring Familia into. Collins tried to steal outs before bringing in Familia twice in 2 days and it lost him the World Series.
MakMan44 said:The fuck happened to the mets who played in the DS and CS?
Leskanic's_Thread said:“The Mets have nothing to hold their heads down for, except they didn’t play that well and they gave away this World Series.” -Frank Thomas, assassin
Congrats to the Royals. An enjoyable team, and I'm happy they made New York fans sad.
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bankshot1 said:
or maybe "Murphy's Flaw"
jackleary said:Those comebacks demonstrate the power of a dynamite bullpen. They never surrendered a run and allowed the team to come back each time. They were the better team. That said I am sick about how we played but it happens.
congrats to long suffering Royals fans and to the best team im baseball.
I agree with this, as someone who thought it was a bad mistake at the time. I am surprised that there are not more comments here about the folly of listening to a pitcher who is demanding things. Actually, the very fact that he is pushing his manager to change his mind puts extra pressure on him to perform and leads to mistakes. Even John Lackey yielded to John Farrell when he put his hand out for the ball. Undermining your manager is an arrogant, selfish move. Almost any closer is going to have a much better inning when he starts it himself. This was a ruinous act of weakness on Collins' part, even though I sympathize with and like the guy. I am off to the NY papers to see if he is being pilloried. I hope it's not too strong.Gene Conleys Plane Ticket said:One thing I'll say for Collins. He knows he fucked up and in the postgame, he owned it. Doesn't change anything, but at least he has some integrity, unlike certain managers in Red Sox history who still defend their most egregious blunders years later.
Cain with no outs against the Jays? It's their way of playing baseball, and their coaching is at the back of it, as is outlined by a great article in SI by Verducci posted somewhere here on Sosh about a week ago.glasspusher said:I don't have my facts 100% here, but last night heard something to the effect that Harvey generated 13 swings and misses, but only 1 after the 6th inning. He wasn't quite as good at the end as he appeared.
Absolutely balls of steel moment by Hosmer going home in the 9th. Nobody in their right mind does that.
InsideTheParker said:I agree with this, as someone who thought it was a bad mistake at the time. I am surprised that there are not more comments here about the folly of listening to a pitcher who is demanding things. Actually, the very fact that he is pushing his manager to change his mind puts extra pressure on him to perform and leads to mistakes. Even John Lackey yielded to John Farrell when he put his hand out for the ball. Undermining your manager is an arrogant, selfish move. Almost any closer is going to have a much better inning when he starts it himself. This was a ruinous act of weakness on Collins' part, even though I sympathize with and like the guy. I am off to the NY papers to see if he is being pilloried. I hope it's not too strong.
TheoShmeo said:This observation might have been made before so mea culpa, if so. But it's amazing how many echoes there were in this series.
We had:
1. The Collins Grady Moments. So yeah, sending Harvey back out there was massively more defensible than sending Pedro out for the 8th. But who didn't immediately think back to Grady when Collins didn't remove Harvey after the walk? Grady is in a league of his own but like Sox fans and Grady, Met fans will be second guessing Collins' decision to leave the starter in there for years.
2. The Hosmer and Murphy Buckner moments. First we had Hosmer looking eerily like Buckner but mercifully getting taken off the hook and then we had another infielder have a ball go under his glove.
3. The Carlos Beltran ending. I would guess that very few Mets didn't think back to Beltran on that called strike three.
4. The amazing come-back from down 1-3, sort of like the 04 Sox/Yanks. Oh, wait....
glasspusher said:I don't have my facts 100% here, but last night heard something to the effect that Harvey generated 13 swings and misses, but only 1 after the 6th inning. He wasn't quite as good at the end as he appeared.
Absolutely balls of steel moment by Hosmer going home in the 9th. Nobody in their right mind does that.
rembrat said:
The Giants handled them just fine last year. I don't see too much of a difference between the 14' and 15 Royals to be completely honest.
Lars The Wanderer said:The Giants catch the ball. The Mets played D like they were wearing rollerskates.
Rovin Romine said:
A decent throw would have got him. Let's just say it was a very risky, borderline stupid, move that worked out well - but only because Duda choked.
terrisus said:
It seems to me like Hosmer could have gotten further away from the bag while the ball was being fielded/before it was thrown. He was far closer to the bag than either of the fielders were to be able to even try to get him out. Instead of getting a bigger jump, he just kind of hung out a few feet from the bag not doing much of anything until the ball was thrown to first.
What is Derek Lowe's 5.1IP 3ER start? I do very fondly remember a couple of his (much better than that) playoff starts but that one has me stumped.jtn46 said:Yeah I simultaneously loved and hated that moment. Loved seeing Harvey so amped up to stay in, but hated that Collins would fuck it up and listen to him. Can't think about history or heroics in that moment as the manager, your job is to win the game. We will forever fondly remember Derek Lowe's 5.1 inning 3 ER start. When your team wins it all, what passes as heroics doesn't have to be grandslams and complete game shutouts. If the Mets pull off a comeback and win the series no one ho hums about Harvey's start yesterday if it's 8 innings instead of 9.
E5 Yaz said:
He has to do that; you have to see the release, or at least the throwing arm past the point of no return. That goes back to the Manny Machado play a year or two ago, when Machado held the ball and trapped the runner.
terrisus said:
I know he can't start running until the ball is released.
What I mean, though, is say hypothetically it would take a fielder 3 seconds to reach the base.
If he's only 0.5 seconds away from the base, he can get much further away from it without worrying. Get a 2-second lead and stay there until the ball is thrown.
*Times are for comparison purposes only, I haven't timed that off. You get the general idea, though.
Impossible to say with any clarity, but I agree with the sentiment.rembrat said:
Yea, that was kinda my point. The Mets show up with a somewhat competent defense and we're looking at back to back WS losses for the Royals. That's not taking anything away from the Royals that's just the truth. But frankly I don't want to hear about how great they are. They came out of a shitty division during a down year in the AL and faced flawed teams in the postseason.
I mean, this is basically saying "It worked, so no one can criticise it."E5 Yaz said:He was safe. Saying if this and this had happened, he would be more safe is immaterial.
Harvey had a dominant 8th inning and was only at 101 pitches after the 8th, I think. That made it 12.6 pitches per inning for him, so if he had an average inning, he would have finished at 114 or so. This was Harvey's last game of the season no matter what, so I could see letting him start the 9th. Collins defended not pulling him after the walk, saying what would have been the sense to send him out for just one batter. OK (?). Couple of interesting other similar games (ignoring who was ahead in the series) in 2010 game 4, Bochy gave Brian Wilson the 9th even though Bumgarner had a 3 hit shutout after 8 with 106 pitches. In game 5, Bochy pulled Lincecum after 8 dominant innings, a 1 run, 3 hit, 101 pitch performance, for Wilson again. But, we all know Bochy and Righetti would listen to the SP and then go with what they thought was the right decision anyway.jtn46 said:Yeah I simultaneously loved and hated that moment. Loved seeing Harvey so amped up to stay in, but hated that Collins would fuck it up and listen to him. Can't think about history or heroics in that moment as the manager, your job is to win the game.
I was somewhat surprised Collins let Cespedes finish his AB also. It was pretty shocking to see him limping that badly down the line and to the dugout. Usually after an injury , a player is allowed to, like throw a couple of pitches in the case of a pitcher injury, or, do a couple of short sprints in Cespedes' case. I don't think Cespedes did that. Collins should have required it.miracleofmidre said:Pardon me if I missed more commentary on this, but I am surprised that there isn't more criticism being levied at Collins for allowing Cespedes to finish his at-bat with the bases loaded earlier in the game after hitting the ball of his knee. Cespedes would have been an easy double play target had he not popped the ball up, he was an invalid. His best-case scenario was what happened, with nothing but downside from there. While sending up a cold body to hit for Cespedes would have had other ramifications for the lineup, and may very well have been a very simple out to get for the Royals, the idea that a guy who could barely stand was left in the game puting multiple outs at risk all at once seemed like the first emasculation of the Mets' manager (or was it the trainers' call with Cespedes?). It was a very poor decision, and the Mets were lucky not to have squandered that opportunity in full based on that choice to leave him in.
That Harvey was able to talk his way back into the game was Collins' second offense of this type last night, not his first, in my mind.
Ok, so it wasn't a nutpunch game 7 loss afterall.54thMA said:So these assholes aren't going to get swept then; great, just great.
Plan B; a nutpunch game 7 loss that will leave a mark on their fanbase forever.