Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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That's their standard song coming out of a break, they probably use it 75% of the time.
So, yes.
Not hearing any of this, but reading everyone's comments. You people need to relax. Seriously. We already know somebody in ownership didn't support the Crawford signing -- they also put Manny on waivers in 2003. How'd that turn out?
Edes on ESPN Outside the Lines now with Bob Ley, Howard Bryant & Globe editor Joe Sullivan. Gordon is giving a recap of the past half-hour of the Felger/Mazz show.
Edes says he has "absolutely unimpeachable knowledge" that ownership was concerned about Tito's divorce because they expressed it to him directly when they declined to pick up his option. Edes says he decided not to include it in his report at the time because it wasn't germane to the discussion of the team's collapse, but he did inform his editors of those statements.
Translation: Gordon is all class, and at least one member of the ownership troika is a liar.
Edes says he has "absolutely unimpeachable knowledge" that ownership was concerned about Tito's divorce because they expressed it to him directly when they declined to pick up his option. Edes says he decided not to include it in his report at the time because it wasn't germane to the discussion of the team's collapse, but he did inform his editors of those statements.
Translation: Gordon is all class, and at least one member of the ownership troika is a liar.
Some are, some aren't.
Like most people, Henry has relative strengths (futures trading) and weaknesses (radio interviews). Just because someone has an IQ of 643 and a billion dollars doesn't mean he's good at everything.
Manny is a lot different than the shell shocked version of Carl Crawford that we got in 2011. It's just not smart. No need to risk offending the guy when they're stuck with him for quite a long time.
Guess you missed when JWH and Lucchino were simultaneously on both "flagships", NESN and WEEI, last Friday morning.
You really love posting things without having any facts to support your opinion, don't you?
Amen. He should be saying "We support the signing and expect Carl to have a bounce-back season in 2012."
Now Crawford is going to feel unwanted for the next 6 years. Awesome.
Guys, come on. Crawford is an adult. He's making, as everyone can't help but remind us, $142 million. I think he's going to get over the fact that there was debate among the FO as to whether to sign him. Right now, he's talking about that very thing with respect to Ortiz.
And I'm listening now. Dude sounds pretty forthright.
Yup. Throwing Crawford under the bus like that was the worst thing he could've done. Hell, Carl was actually looking better in the public eye after this fiasco. Now the owner says he never wanted him.
Crawford isn't going to kill himself, but what's gained from telling a player coming off of a miserable season that he wasn't really wanted in the first place? Especially when the team desperately needs him to bounce back.
Or he can be an adult about it and realize that sometimes an organization's decision to hire somebody (especially at his salary) isn't always unanimous and he'll conduct himself as a professional and do his job to the best of his ability.
Felger: How can your fans be conviced that you're as invested in this team as you were 10 years ago while maintaining Roush, Liverpool, LeBron (we'll get to that later).
Henry: Larry Lucchnino runs the Red Sox. Tom and I don't run the Red Sox but we're fortunate to have one of the best CEOs in baseball. In order to compete we had to look beyond baseball.
Henry: Larry Lucchnino runs the Red Sox. Tom and I don't run the Red Sox but we're fortunate to have one of the best CEOs in baseball. In order to compete we had to look beyond baseball.
Agree. I am not getting near as much doom and gloom from this interview as SoSH seems to be. But this is also the first time I've listened to sport radio in ages. I think that has something to do with it.
Seriously, we knew from last winter that Theo had to convince ownership to sign Carl. As to the GM / Ownership not agreeing, Cashman announced AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING THE SIGNING that he didn't want to sign Rafael Soriano.
I think Henry came through a tough interview (so far, I'm a few minutes behind it) about a tough time sounding like the team is in control of things and knows what it wants to do going forward.
But props to Felger and Mazz, even though there were some dumb questions, they didn't give him any softballs.
Am I crazy or did he just say that if the baseball economic situation were different, he wouldn't be involved in these other things (Liverpool, racing, etc.)? He's doing it in order to compete in baseball?
I think the Liverpudlian SOSH just exploded. He just told them that he bought their team in order to finance Carl Crawford?
I think the Liverpudlian SOSH just exploded. He just told them that he bought their team in order to finance Carl Crawford?
Yeah but if one of his problems was a confidence one this may not help. Although it could put a chip on his shoulder and he tears it up next season, although he doesn't seem like that type of player.
Maybe he thinks he's enough of a grownup to weather this slander? I just don't buy that this is some egregious breach of trust between ownership and a player that is going to send said player into a further tailspin. This guy knows he has to produce -- he probably knew there was some debate about whether his skills were redundant with Ellsbury's to some extent. So what?
I only started listening to this a few minutes ago. No doubt Henry isn't a great public speaker (which I could care less about), but he's being really forthcoming here.
Mazz: Are there guys in the clubhouse that have to go?
Henry: Yes, should I name names?
Mazz: Yes.
Henry: Tony Masserotti
Henry: Yes, should I name names?
Mazz: Yes.
Henry: Tony Masserotti
JWH came out, denied vehemently that ownership leaked the stuff about Tito & pain killers. He answered EVERY question and neither Felger or Mazz threw one softball. He answered everything, IMO, honestly. YMMV but you should LISTEN and not get third hand reports.
And instead of saying, "cool - he cares." SoSH has already decided - mostly by people who aren't listening and only have third hand reports - that Henry is a liar, incompetent and perpetrating the greatest PR disaster of the week.
I don't fucking get it. JWH has repudiated the pain killer story and instead of THAT being the headline, the mob has moved onto his Crawford comments - which were more nuanced and had context around them of more depth than "I don't like Crawford."
But that's what we've chosen to fixate on. Fucking incredible.
Seriously, I know we knew this but hearing JH say it so definitively (and actually like the only thing he has said that definitively) is just really f'in unsettling
We're not the only ones. Headline on Boston.com right now: Henry Did Not Support Crawford Signing
I agree with most of this EXCEPT what you said about the Crawford line. I listened, heard it in the context, and thought it sounded bad.
However, in the overall context of the interview, including a lot of things said a long time after the Crawford line, you're right -- he's made clear that he doesn't make the baseball decisions, so it doesn't matter (in theory) what he thought, or thinks, about Crawford. Unfortunately, that soundbite is going to get a lot of attention.
I think he's sounded a lot better over the last 15 minutes or so than he did earlier.
I still think that whole interview was surreal, but credit to JWH for going on, and credit to Felger and Mazz for not throwing softballs.
And the reason they went to commercial break was so that they could turn around and do another segment for 40 mins without a break. Sure it's a risk, but they couldn't have gone on as long the second time if they didn't break there. What a huge huge get for TSH and Felger and Mazz.
And the reason they went to commercial break was so that they could turn around and do another segment for 40 mins without a break. Sure it's a risk, but they couldn't have gone on as long the second time if they didn't break there. What a huge huge get for TSH and Felger and Mazz.
Yeah, what a horrible time this team has had since 2003.
Well-intentioned, but Henry going on this show is feeding the trolls. It will only encourage F&M to be more bombastic in the future in the hopes of luring him into the studio for another show.