I never knew about the "sportrac thing".
Go nuts: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/new-england-patriots/2017/
Gee, thanks a lot. I was just about to go to bed and now I'll be up another 4 hours.
Wow. Lots of people have me on ignore. Probably rightfully.Yeah, was just going to say I'm not even clicking that until o have six hours to burn.
This was fun. Still have about $20 million in salary to roll over some salary, rookies, and trades (or signing Bennett):
Bill likes his tight ends old school, not out of Old School.What do you guys think about targeting Luke Wilson to replace Bennett? He's younger, has the talent to start if Gronk is out, and supposed to be a decent blocker.
Any idea what a 4 or 5 year deal would cost per year to get him here?
Ha you're right, I suck.That's Owen
Another TE target could be Jared Cook
Can you even call it a resurgence? He flat wasn't good during his last stint. In fairness, BB has stated they weren't using him correctly, so it shouldn't be all that shocking - given his draft status - that he'd turn into a good player. But yeah, it's been a pleasant surprise.It still blows my mind how Chungs resurgence happened.
would be fun to play with this to see how to get Cowboys and Jetsout of the cap mess haWow. Lots of people have me on ignore. Probably rightfully.
His surgenceCan you even call it a resurgence? He flat wasn't good during his last stint. In fairness, BB has stated they weren't using him correctly, so it shouldn't be all that shocking - given his draft status - that he'd turn into a good player. But yeah, it's been a pleasant surprise.
Forgive a dumb question, but... if we're losing the highest pick that we have in the 4th round, why wouldn't we just trade the Seattle 4th, for anything approaching equivalent value, and forfeit #128 instead?4(Seattle pick - Roger's last theft)
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Nothing dumb there, but with only a 6 pick difference between the two picks it probably wouldn't be worth the hassle.Forgive a dumb question, but... if we're losing the highest pick that we have in the 4th round, why wouldn't we just trade the Seattle 4th, for anything approaching equivalent value, and forfeit #128 instead?
This is a perfect illustration, to me, of the value of continuity and a robust middle class in your roster. There are a couple obvious steps to being a top franchise long term – draft well, find a franchise QB, don’t wreck your cap with high-priced FAs. But probably right after that, and spoken of much more rarely in the general football public, is to fill roster spots 15 to 45 with guys who fit your scheme, be patient and use them wisely. In an ideal world, you’re adding developmental players to the bottom half of your roster all the time with a plan for how they’ll fit in, and filling the gaps with reasonably priced, known-quantity vet FAs and UDFA types. If you look at the Pats’ roster over the last 3-4 years, they’ve put on a clinic in this regard. Having stability in the FO and coaching staff is a pre-requisite for this.Chung was a reasonably solid contributor here in from '09-'11, just got hurt in '11 and was bad/fell way out of favor in '12. Obviously been better the second go round.
Because there is weird language about reducing the force of the punishment.Forgive a dumb question, but... if we're losing the highest pick that we have in the 4th round, why wouldn't we just trade the Seattle 4th, for anything approaching equivalent value, and forfeit #128 instead?
I wonder about this too, even thinking about players like Brady. He gets drafted by the Jets, Steelers, Saints, or whoever else picked QBs that year, how much of the Tom Brady level does he attain somewhere else?It also makes me think about how arbitrary success is for mid-level guys in the pro game. Get drafted by a lousy franchise, get used in the wrong way, get hurt or get cut, latch on with another team that doesn’t really get it… and boom, you’re in your late 20s, your body is a mess and you’re probably on your way out of the game. Guys with a high draft pedigree will get a few more shots (and, to be fair, a lot of recent BB reclamations are 1st or 2nd round guys who didn’t shine for their first team), and cream will rise to an extent, but you have to believe that, especially for certain positions, for every Malcolm Butler or Julian Edelman, there are probably a dozen guys working in car dealerships or coaching Pee Wee who would have at least had a few productive years if their first NFL team wasn’t the Browns or the Jags or whoever.
so not allowed to trade both our 2017 4th round picks for a 2018 3rd. Goodell/NFL seemed to have over thought this - just take away team's pick, and make BB use assets to get back into the roundI thought the language of the punishment amounted to, 1) we take the highest pick you have in the round, and 2) you can't trade away or otherwise impair yourself to the point of having no pick in the round we're taking. So if we didn't have the Seattle pick, then it'd be the #128 that they'd take, right?
I mean, winning the super bowl and thus getting the last pick in every round "reduces the force of the punishment", I have to imagine it's fairly specific language. It's been a bit since I saw the actual decision, so if I'm missing some part of this I'd be interested to know. And yeah, I get the point that by round 4, a 6-pick difference doesn't matter too much, but I'm curious even if it's arcana.
They HAD to overthink it. When they robbed the franchise of a first round pick in 2008, the Patriots still had the 7th overall pick due to their trade with the 49ers.so not allowed to trade both our 2017 4th round picks for a 2018 3rd. Goodell/NFL seemed to have over thought this - just take away team's pick, and make BB use assets to get back into the round
Cannon was playing on one foot in the previous season. That's what was holding him back, not talent.If I'm baffled by Chung's transformation, I'm absolutely shocked by Cannon.
Couldn't figure out why he wasn't immediately blasted into space never to be seen again at the end of 2015.
Hard to believe he transformed into a top tackle from what he was, or what the fanbase thought he was.
would've been easier if the 1st and 4th were taken away the same year too...they don't have to worry about different contingenciesI get why they did it for the 1st round pick. Sure, the logic is dumb, but given that the purposes of Deflategate were to 1) satisfy various contingencies of idiots and non-thinkers and 2) rub the Patriots nose in dogshit for being too successful, having the Pats on TV making a first round pick didnt really make sense for the league. Given that no one gives a shit about the 4th round its sort of overkill.
I'd seriously consider it. Dillon came to NE when he was 30 coming off a terrible season with Cincinnati after 6 1000 yard seasons. Peterson has had two terrible seasons in the last 3 years but one was for off field issues (Is this something the Pats would be comfortable with?) He would give the Patriots a bruising running back that can also catch the ball out of the backfield and might be motivated to want to win a title.Thoughts on Adrian Peterson as Corey Dillon v2.0?
He hasn't been a factor in the passing game. He's not Blount level absent, but he's not really a dual threat back.I'd seriously consider it. Dillon came to NE when he was 30 coming off a terrible season with Cincinnati after 6 1000 yard seasons. Peterson has had two terrible seasons in the last 3 years but one was for off field issues (Is this something the Pats would be comfortable with?) He would give the Patriots a bruising running back that can also catch the ball out of the backfield and might be motivated to want to win a title.
Dillon 6'1 225
Peterson 6'1 220
Didn't Dillon come with baggage? I would have to assume it depends on the severity of Peterson's transgressions.
Here are Peterson's stats in the passing gameHe hasn't been a factor in the passing game. He's not Blount level absent, but he's not really a dual threat back.
As always depends on cost, but pretty meh on Peterson given the whole package.
The incident happened in 2014. He got injured early in the season this past year and even before he got hurt, the Vikings offensive line was pretty terrible. I think the injury concerns and his declining production will drive his salary more than the child abuse history.If he's kicking the piss out of his kids why would you expect his market value to be anything other than zero? I mean there was a fairly prominent, recent court case that sprung up over this very issue.
edit - directed at pappymojo.
Reception rank among RBs/YPC rank among RBsHere are Peterson's stats in the passing game
2007 19 rec 268 yds 1 TD
2008 21 rec 125 yds
2009 43 rec 436 yds
2010 36 rec 341 yds 1 TD
2011 18 rec 139 yds 1 TD
2012 40 rec 217 yds 1 TD
2013 29 rec 171 yds 1 TD
2014 2 rec 18 yds (commissioner suspension)
2015 30 rec 222 yds
2016 3 rec 8 yds (hurt all season)
He is clearly a factor in the passing game if used properly and with a real QB throwing to him.
The Patriots will be shopping elsewhere because of history, period.The incident happened in 2014. He got injured early in the season this past year and even before he got hurt, the Vikings offensive line was pretty terrible. I think the injury concerns and his declining production will drive his salary more than the child abuse history.
With all that being said, I don't know how much he will make, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he gets a three year deal in the range of $12 million per year. At that price, I think I would want the Patriots to shop elsewhere.
I'm sure there's a way to finagle the secretary to New England's Director of Player of Pro Personnel office number out there somewhere on the internets. Why don't you spend the rest of the day doing that, instead of gumming up the works here.If the price is low enough on a one-year make-good deal, I'd be happy to try him out. With his legs at 80% or better, Peterson's field vision and cutting are world-class. I agree there is no way he gets an 8-figure deal; probably not even 8 figures of guarantees.
His off-field issues bother me far less than other players for whom that's a concern. There are cultures within the US where his behavior is absolutely the norm and acceptable - and not, like, cults, I'm talking about a majority or near-majority of the population in some areas. ~20 states allow teachers to do spanking in school (with parents' permission), though obviously not to Peterson's degree. I'm a parent and wouldn't discipline my kids that way, but he did it out of love not psychopathy, he pled no contest and did his community service, and has expressed remorse and says he wouldn't do it again. I have way more emotional willingness to say he's learned his lesson than I do for, say, wife-beaters. This isn't Ray Rice, much less the Eagles running Michael Vick out there for 5 years.