2017 Patriots FA & Trades Thread

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Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I think Hightower may be worth more to us than to the rest of the league and may not have a crazy market. He doesn't make a lot of splash plays (career 2 FF and 0 INTs), he isn't a tackling machine, and he isn't going to be your primary coverage backer. I'm not convinced other teams are going to be lining up to give him a huge contract and he seems to love the Patriots so I think there is a good chance we can work something out before free agency hits.
I think somebody is going to see Hightower as more of an edge player (an elephant or the rush end/linebacker in the ravens 3-4 for example) and that's going to put his numbers through the roof.

I think he's actually a perfect franchise candidate--basically overpay him for one year and move on.
 

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Agreed. Unless you have information that tells you he will be max 80% of the player he was then his value is far higher to the Patriots.
If he's on the field.

I'm not blaming him for his injuries, but his size does leave him prone to low hits, which may finally be taking their toll. It doesn't matter how much value a player may have if there's a repeat pattern of injury. What good is a great player that can't stay on the field? It's a cold thought, for sure, but our head coach is known for making "cold bastard" level decisions, and he has to be thinking long and hard about Gronk right about now.
 

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I think somebody is going to see Hightower as more of an edge player (an elephant or the rush end/linebacker in the ravens 3-4 for example) and that's going to put his numbers through the roof.

I think he's actually a perfect franchise candidate--basically overpay him for one year and move on.
Maybe so. But I think that would be a pretty bad bet. Hightower is pretty good as a blitzer but he really doesn't have much in the way of outside pass rushing moves. I bet you could count on one hand the number of career sacks he has had off the edge when 1-on-1 versus a tackle.
 

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If I had to guess "yea" or "nay" among that top tier...:

Hightower - Yea. As others have mentioned, I think he's priority #1 for the team... and if you want to send a message to rest of team about rewarding players for doing the "right" things, its this guy.. even if you have to "overpay" a bit.

Branch
- Nay. I think he's only back if the market for his services never emerges, and he's back on a team-friendly deal. Based on how well he played this year, I think he's got to be in maximize on last payday point of his career

Blount - Nay. Same as Branch

Sheard - Yea. Not much to say - don't expect much interest outside of NE for him, since he was rather inconsistent this year.

Ryan - Yea. He's proven very valuable and competent in his role in their scheme... and no other young CB emerged this year. Unless some team sets the market really high, I think they make every effort to bring him back.

Harmon - Yea. LIke Ryan, unless some team is overaggressive, he's part of a unit that was really playing well this year and doesn't make sense to break up if you don't have to within how the Pats allocate cap $

Long - Yea. Team-friendly deal.. don't think he wants to be anywhere else.
 

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If he's on the field.

I'm not blaming him for his injuries, but his size does leave him prone to low hits, which may finally be taking their toll. It doesn't matter how much value a player may have if there's a repeat pattern of injury. What good is a great player that can't stay on the field? It's a cold thought, for sure, but our head coach is known for making "cold bastard" level decisions, and he has to be thinking long and hard about Gronk right about now.
Sure, the problem is that-for this team-he's so damn good when healthy that you'd really like to try and keep him for another year. A healthy gronk, a healthy brady and an average everything else gets you damn close to the superbowl in 2017.

EDIT: I think you're right at least longish term. I could imagine the Pats using a couple high picks on tight ends this year to replace the Unicorn, back up Gronk, and replace Gronk in 2018.

Maybe so. But I think that would be a pretty bad bet. Hightower is pretty good as a blitzer but he really doesn't have much in the way of outside pass rushing moves. I bet you could count on one hand the number of career sacks he has had off the edge when 1-on-1 versus a tackle.
Agreed. He's certainly not going to be von miller but if you add up what he can do on the edge against the run and his (reasonable for a big guy) play in pass coverage there are a lot of interesting traits. I think somebody is going to think of him as a nice flashy toy.

If I had to guess "yea" or "nay" among that top tier...:

Hightower - Yea. As others have mentioned, I think he's priority #1 for the team... and if you want to send a message to rest of team about rewarding players for doing the "right" things, its this guy.. even if you have to "overpay" a bit.

Branch
- Nay. I think he's only back if the market for his services never emerges, and he's back on a team-friendly deal. Based on how well he played this year, I think he's got to be in maximize on last payday point of his career

Blount - Nay. Same as Branch

Sheard - Yea. Not much to say - don't expect much interest outside of NE for him, since he was rather inconsistent this year.

Ryan - Yea. He's proven very valuable and competent in his role in their scheme... and no other young CB emerged this year. Unless some team sets the market really high, I think they make every effort to bring him back.

Harmon - Yea. LIke Ryan, unless some team is overaggressive, he's part of a unit that was really playing well this year and doesn't make sense to break up if you don't have to within how the Pats allocate cap $

Long - Yea. Team-friendly deal.. don't think he wants to be anywhere else.
I think Ryan and Harmon are long gone. Those guys are both going to get shockingly large contracts--8 per for ryan, 5 per for Harmon.
 

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They might need the tag for Hightower leverage.
I know a team with about $55M in room (and two superstars to sign to extensions) that would pay significant money for Hightower. God only knows what the Browns would pay him. The Pats are going to have to tag him.

I might need a cold shower after allowing myself to think for a second about Hightower playing behind Mack, Irvin and Smith....


Logan Ryan is basically a slightly better version of Byron Maxwell, it is only fair to assume he will get Maxwell money, something like what MMS said, 4-5 years at $9-10M per. Corners get stupid money in this league.
 

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Harmon is interesting. I'm not sure how other teams will view him, but it only takes one team to like him. On the other hand, this is a very strong draft at the position. In the end, I suspect he is gone on something like a 4/20 deal.

I'll also be interested to see what the market for Blount looks like. I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers' experience with him scares off most teams, plus he's already 30. I think he will be back for not much more than the veteran minimum.
 

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Depends what the Pats get for Jimmy G too. Would love for them to get high enough to take Peppers and use him as a weapon on D.
 

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My priorities are to sign are Hightower, Branch, Butler, Harmon and tag Bennett. Logan Ryan will be signed for crazy money elsewhere and needs to be replaced by Jones. Sheard will be gone. Sign Floyd to a 1 year show me deal. Bolden and Mingo are good ST players. I'd take a run at Calais Campbell. Draft LB's, interior OL and DE/DL.
 

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Logan Ryan is gonna get paid stupid money. I'd be stunned if the Pats extended for him.

Harmon is essentially a starter given how frequently they used the big nickel package and he shouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

Branch was a foundational player for their defense, but he's 32. I could see a one year deal with an investment in an interior DL in the draft.

Bennett could definitely be tagged; I think whether they do it depends on how they think he'd react to it, unless they think there'd be a trade market for him.This draft seems deep at TE, fortunately.

Butler isn't going anywhere. Even if they can't extend him he'll play 2017 under the first round tender.

Develin is a nice, slightly above replacement value bit player every great team needs about 15 of. Hard to see a vibrant market for a FB with limited ball skills that fits in great on this team, so I bet he's back under a 2/4 deal or something.

Blount is a pretty inefficient player. He clearly adds an element of physicality to the offense that BB and McDaniels value, but, much like the first go-round, if another team makes a decent offer I doubt another team matches. Wonder if his literal walk out of PIT will depress his market. I think the Pats grab a bigger back in the draft in any event.

Ghost's and Amendola's cap values and the looming Garoppolo Sweepstakes should create some further intrigue.
 

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Ryan is gone. He isn't a number 1 corner but the truth is that the #2 corners for like 80% of the NFL suck. He is going to get paid, a #2 CB that can be decent at times and good at others is a huge asset in the NFL. He is going to cash in
 

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I think it would be absolutely foolish and out of character to tag Bennett. He's good insurance for Gronk injury and he's a top ten TE but you don't eat up $9-10M on that, especially when it means he'd be making more than Gronk, who the team will need to extend soon or let go. If you're going to let him go, you need a longer term replacement. If he wants to stay for a short term at the coin he's making now, great. BB doesn't double salary for a backup in some kind of insurance move.

Keep the tag for Hightower if needed. They cannot let him go.

Amendola is gone unless he agrees to being cut and coming back at a really small number.

Floyd should be able to be had on a short term 'make good' deal to reestablish value. The Pats need depth at WR.

Ryan is gone. Vollmer is gone. Sheard is likely gone.

Blount, Develin and Branch will be back. Long and Mingo likely as well. None of these guys are getting prohibitive offers elsewhere. Harmon is a coin flip.

I fully expect TE, CB and DL to be addressed in their first 3-4 picks, depending on if they trade Jimmy (and the return) and how the board shakes out.
 

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I think it would be absolutely foolish and out of character to tag Bennett. He's good insurance for Gronk injury and he's a top ten TE but you don't eat up $9-10M on that, especially when it means he'd be making more than Gronk, who the team will need to extend soon or let go. If you're going to let him go, you need a longer term replacement. If he wants to stay for a short term at the coin he's making now, great. BB doesn't double salary for a backup in some kind of insurance move.

Keep the tag for Hightower if needed. They cannot let him go.

Amendola is gone unless he agrees to being cut and coming back at a really small number.

Floyd should be able to be had on a short term 'make good' deal to reestablish value. The Pats need depth at WR.

Ryan is gone. Vollmer is gone. Sheard is likely gone.

Blount, Develin and Branch will be back. Long and Mingo likely as well. None of these guys are getting prohibitive offers elsewhere. Harmon is a coin flip.

I fully expect TE, CB and DL to be addressed in their first 3-4 picks, depending on if they trade Jimmy (and the return) and how the board shakes out.
Vollmer technically isn't gone unless they cut him. His contract tolls over to next season because he spent the season on PUP.
 

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There are some key pieces in the secondary that are either up or going to be up soon. DMac and Butler are the foundation so then you have to figure your other corners and safeties. If they can't keep Ryan and Harmon they are going to be drafting or signing someone. So who else is out there?
 

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Gronk has a lengthy injury history, but at age 27, he's probably still got some dominant play left in him. I don't think they're trading him unless someone offered a top 10-15 pick or equivalent and that isn't happening.
What if he's paired with Jimmy G? I don't think it's happening, but if BB wanted that Niners pick for some reason...
 

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After cutting Dola and Vollmer they have about 70 to 75 available and pretty sure the following years even more. They've replaced C Jones and Collins cheap already.

Seems like they can afford to retain whoever they want without negatively impacting the future. Assuming they extend Butler and sign Hightower, I guess it comes down to whether they value Ryan/Harmon/Branch better than what they can replace them with from FA for those dollars.
 

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If he's on the field.

I'm not blaming him for his injuries, but his size does leave him prone to low hits, which may finally be taking their toll. It doesn't matter how much value a player may have if there's a repeat pattern of injury. What good is a great player that can't stay on the field? It's a cold thought, for sure, but our head coach is known for making "cold bastard" level decisions, and he has to be thinking long and hard about Gronk right about now.
I think this is the exact thought process they will go through... next off-season. Even with the injury caveats, Gronk's upside when healthy is too high. I don't think the combo of ~$4M in savings and/or whatever they can get in trade will be enough to offset that.
 

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I don't quite understand the bit of comments on Floyd. He is the only Patriots WR not under contract next season. He isn't needed for depth: he wasn't even active for the Super Bowl. (Yes, I understand that he had only been on the team for weeks.) I can speculate at ideas, such as cut Amendola and re-sign Floyd, or something, but that hasn't been addressed in the "let's bring back Floyd" posts.

Note that I'm not, in principle, against bringing him back. It's just that I don't see how he is anywhere near the top of the priority discussion.
 

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The market for Blount will be weaker than expected. He's only had one strong year outside of New England - his rookie season in Tampa Bay - and completely crapped out on the Steelers. Maybe a team with strong Pats connections - like Detroit - feels they can get the best out of Blount, but other teams will be wary.

Second, living in a Chicago, i've seen almost every Alshon Jeffrey snap. Pros - excellent route runner, very good hands, very physical, showed great improvement first 3 years. Cons - missed 12 games last 2 seasons, uneven performances under John Fox, has let the Bears know he wants WR1/Pro Bowl player money. That's not a Pats signing. Jeffrey is looking for a contract based on his first 3 seasons, not what the past 2 suggest about his future. A team looking to bolster a young QB seems most likely bite on a high face value/low guarantee deal - Tampa, Jacksonville, or LA.
 

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Sorry, I'm not Miguel and don't even understand what's being said. 'Tolls'? So basically his terms for this year are carried over and applied to next season?
Sorry, yes. It's actually more lawyer speak than anything. Tolls in this context basically means you pretend the season never happened.
 

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Sorry, I'm not Miguel and don't even understand what's being said. 'Tolls'? So basically his terms for this year are carried over and applied to next season?
Do you have some kind of cite for that? He's listed as a FA.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/new-england-patriots/

Edit: either way, I think he's gone
Sorry, yes. It's actually more lawyer speak than anything. Tolls in this context basically means you pretend the season never happened.
https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

Its in the CBA

 

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Section 2 there reads to me that he would be 'tolled' in 2016. What lawyer speak am I not understanding?

Second question. If he isn't rolled for '16, what does that mean? I assume they had to give him checks this year. I also assume they don't have to do it next year if that's true. Is this just cap stuff?

As presented it seems as if he gets basically a one year extension at current rates for getting hurt. Hat not only strikes me as odd but totally beyond the nflpa's capabilities to secure for their members.
 

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In addition, I'm wondering why they wouldn't have just IR'ed him rather than carry his cap hit two years in a row and have to pay him (if that's the case). Grievance issue?
 

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I think it would be absolutely foolish and out of character to tag Bennett. He's good insurance for Gronk injury and he's a top ten TE but you don't eat up $9-10M on that, especially when it means he'd be making more than Gronk, who the team will need to extend soon or let go. If you're going to let him go, you need a longer term replacement. If he wants to stay for a short term at the coin he's making now, great. BB doesn't double salary for a backup in some kind of insurance move.

Keep the tag for Hightower if needed. They cannot let him go.
I totally disagree on Bennett. It is a good chunk of cash but it's 1 year and they have a lot of space and they don't really need it unless they re-sign everyone (which I think would be a mistake) or sign a couple huge FA deals. He's only a "backup" in the strictest of senses; as you know Gronk gets hurt a lot and they can both be on the field at the same time. It's not like they're spending a lot of money on someone who's not going to play. I can't see Gronk being upset about making less - he certainly knows that he signed a team-friendly deal and I presume he's OK with it. If Gronk wanted the highest contract possible he wouldn't have signed the deal he's on now.
 

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I'm not sure Vollmer's entire cap hit rolls over. In 2016, $2.1M of Vollmer's $5.2M cap hit was prorated signing bonus. It makes no sense that the Pats would be assessed that hit twice, as the signing bonus payout did not change.

I believe then the options for the Pats are to keep Vollmer at his current base salary of $2.5M for one more year, or to cut him during the offseason. It's probably all moot, as Vollmer will likely retire anyway.

As to why the Pats did not simply IR him, I seem to recall that there was originally a chance Vollmer could play in 2016. One of his injuries did not manifest itself until after he went on active/PUP, so if the Pats moved him to IR, they could have been subject to a grievance. I'm not sure it really matters.
 

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Branch and Blount will stay unless the Patriots don't want them (or they retire). Both have been free agents after strong seasons in the past and neither got paid very much. And now they're both fairly old, as NFL players go.
 

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Reading an ESPN article about Pats FA moves, they assume Bennett leaves for a $22mm/3y year deal. I would think the Pats would give him that.
 

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Bennett is not a back-up.
This is entirely correct. To elucidate the point, it'd be like calling a 2nd-best WR on a team a backup, when he is better than most #1 WRs in the league and the #1 WR on his team is often injured.
 

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I totally disagree on Bennett. It is a good chunk of cash but it's 1 year and they have a lot of space and they don't really need it unless they re-sign everyone (which I think would be a mistake) or sign a couple huge FA deals. He's only a "backup" in the strictest of senses; as you know Gronk gets hurt a lot and they can both be on the field at the same time. It's not like they're spending a lot of money on someone who's not going to play. I can't see Gronk being upset about making less - he certainly knows that he signed a team-friendly deal and I presume he's OK with it. If Gronk wanted the highest contract possible he wouldn't have signed the deal he's on now.
Exactly. Also, in the big picture we have a ton of salary cap space now but of course may be squeezed in the future once we need to start thinking about resigning younger guys so a one year contract for a 29-year-old key contributor that trades off slightly higher AAV than optimal for no commitment or dead money going forward makes a lot of sense.

Franchise Bennett then use a low 3rd or 4th on Jake Butt and redshirt him for a year.

This assumes that they are confident enough about getting something done with High that they don't need the tag for leverage there (although the leverage is kind of weak in that spot in that the LB tag is going to be close to $15M since the LB comparison set includes players like Von Miller, so High may not be opposed to playing on the tag and the Patriots probably don't really want that outcome).
 

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Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I think Hightower may be worth more to us than to the rest of the league and may not have a crazy market. He doesn't make a lot of splash plays (career 2 FF and 0 INTs), he isn't a tackling machine, and he isn't going to be your primary coverage backer. I'm not convinced other teams are going to be lining up to give him a huge contract and he seems to love the Patriots so I think there is a good chance we can work something out before free agency hits.
Agree here. I think Hightower is exactly the sort of linebacker that the market undervalues - he's a bit slow, not a great passrusher, etc. I'm hoping they can keep him.

The one obvious cut candidate is Amendola ($6.5M in savings). Solder's cap hit is high at $11M, but this past season showed why he's a fairly critical piece of this team, and I think his contract could easily be restructured with an extension. There are not a lot of other obvious cut candidates, unless they decide they are done with Ghost (doubtful).

Amendola is gone (or heavily restructured) - he's just not worth what he's getting paid. He's a nice piece, but probably should be $2M a year or so.


Everybody seems to think Blount is gone - but I doubt it. He's already 30, he's got a history of poor performance away from the Pats, and his last stop in the NFL he completely crashed and burned (both performancewise, and personalitywise). I think he's going to have very little market, and is going to be willing to sign cheaper to not end up in another Pittsburgh situation.
 

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Logan Ryan is basically a slightly better version of Byron Maxwell, it is only fair to assume he will get Maxwell money, something like what MMS said, 4-5 years at $9-10M per. Corners get stupid money in this league.
I have a hard time reading Ryan's market. His circumstances (#2 CB on a championship team) suggest a guy who's going to get overpaid, but his skill set (quicker than fast, good at press but not huge, excellent tackling) suggests a guy who would have more value to the Patriots than other teams. Maxwell has more of the size 6'1" with 33 1/2" arms / speed (4.43 40) combo you want in a #1 guy. Ryan is 5'11" with averageish (31 3/8") arms and a slow 40 (4.56). I think a lot of teams will see Ryan as a slot guy only. He would be an awesome fit in a Cover 2 scheme - he's a ballhawk when he can face the QB and he's a terrific tackler for a corner - but that D has fallen out of favor, and also you don't usually pay CBs big money to play C2. I dunno.
 

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With the Chris Long precedent, what veteran FAs or potential FAs would we think might consider the Pats at the expense of $, hoping to get the elusive ring?

Adrian Peterson
Calais Campbell
Julius Peppers
 

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I'd like to see Sheard back. He was very inconsistent this year but i think the talent is there, and I doubt there will be a huge market for him considering how uneven his season was. It's not like this team is extremely deep up front, and I don't think it's reasonable to plan that the front 7 will be as healthy next year as they were this year.
 

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I'm a bit disappointed by the Bennett comments. I get that's hard wired in these guys, but I was hoping beyond hope that a guy who was so miserable losing, and is a children's author for Pete's sake, may be of a slightly different mold.

I was hopeful the Pats would be able to keep him, but if he wants top 5 TE money, we probably can't afford two, so he's gonna have to go.

That being said, with the value of the TE position in the Patriots offense, and Gronk's history, if not Bennett they need to go get someone else. A low-ish cost Vet? Sims? Toilolo?

I'd love if they could spin JG into the type of draft pick that could get them OJ Howard.
 

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This was fun. Still have about $20 million in salary to roll over some salary, rookies, and trades (or signing Bennett):

New England Patriots 2017 (CREATED: 02/07/2017 11:33 AM)

# PLAYER POS. AGE EXPIRES 2017 CAP FIGURE
1 Eric Berry FS 28 $12,000,000 (Free Agent)
2 Nate Solder LT 28 2018 $11,166,418
3 Dont'a Hightower ILB 26 $11,000,000 (Resigned)
4 Devin McCourty FS 29 2020 $10,935,000
5 Malcolm Butler CB 26 $9,000,000 (sacrifices some cash for a new deal)
6 Calais Campbell DE 30 $8,500,000 (Free Agent)
7 Tom Brady QB 39 2020 $8,000,000 (restructured/extended)
8 Terrelle Pryor WR 27 $7,500,000 (Free Agent)
9 Logan Ryan CB 25 $7,000,000 (Resigned)

10 Rob Gronkowski TE 27 2020 $6,750,000
11 Julian Edelman WR 30 2018 $5,750,000
12 Patrick Chung SS 29 2019 $5,400,000
13 Marcus Cannon LT 28 2022 $3,368,750
14 Shea McClellin ILB 27 2019 $3,195,833
15 Danny Amendola WR 31 2018 $3,000,000 (restructured)
16 Stephen Gostkowski K 33 2019 $3,000,000 (restructured)

17 Chris Hogan WR 28 2019 $2,968,750
18 Rob Ninkovich DE 33 2018 $2,250,000
19 Malcolm Brown DT 23 2020 $2,076,335
20 LeGarrette Blount RB 30 $2,000,000 (resigned)
21 Alan Branch DT 32 $2,000,000 (resigned)

22 Ryan Allen P 26 2019 $1,900,000
23 Matthew Slater WR 31 2018 $1,593,750
24 Jonathan Freeny ILB 27 2019 $1,570,833
25 Dion Lewis RB 26 2018 $1,487,500
26 Nate Ebner FS 27 2018 $1,200,000
27 LaAdrian Waddle RT 25 2018 $1,125,000
28 Kyle Van Noy OLB 25 2018 $1,115,741
29 Jordan Richards SS 24 2019 $1,012,240
30 Chris Long DE 31 $1,000,000 (resigned)
31 James Develin FB 28 $1,000,000 (resigned)
32 Cameron Fleming G 24 $1,000,000 (resigned)

33 Cyrus Jones CB 23 2020 $910,614
34 Eric Rowe CB 24 2019 $878,623
35 Bryan Stork C 26 2018 $809,250
36 James White RB 25 2018 $789,272
37 Jacoby Brissett QB 24 2020 $775,189
38 Joe Thuney T 24 2020 $768,357
39 Trey Flowers DE 23 2019 $754,733
40 Tre' Jackson G 24 2019 $745,935
41 Shaq Mason G 23 2019 $725,881
42 Vincent Valentine DT 22 2020 $716,355
43 Joe Cardona LS 24 2019 $685,000
44 Malcolm Mitchell WR 23 2020 $684,498
45 David Andrews C 24 2018 $620,000
46 Robert Housler TE 28 2018 $615,000
47 Elandon Roberts ILB 22 2020 $565,089
48 Ted Karras G 23 2020 $565,089
49 Jonathan Jones CB 23 2019 $540,000
50 D.J. Foster WR 23 2018 $540,000

Dead Cap
# PLAYER POS. AGE 2017 CAP
1 Geno Grissom DE 24 $290,976
2 Josh Kline G 27 $250,000
3 Jimmy Garoppolo QB 25 $213,436 (traded)
4 Keshawn Martin WR 26 $200,000
5 Clay Harbor TE 29 $200,000
6 Bryan Stork C 26 $119,250
7 Kamu Grugier-Hill OLB 22 $75,267
8 Devin Lucien WR 0 $64,059
9 A.J. Derby TE 25 $56,028
10 Darryl Roberts CB 26 $27,112
11 V'Angelo Bentley CB 0 $6,667
12 Crevon LeBlanc CB 22 $6,667
 

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Also, Berry is more of a strong safety. He and McCourty could absolutely play side by side.
 

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I'm a bit disappointed by the Bennett comments. I get that's hard wired in these guys, but I was hoping beyond hope that a guy who was so miserable losing, and is a children's author for Pete's sake, may be of a slightly different mold.

I was hopeful the Pats would be able to keep him, but if he wants top 5 TE money, we probably can't afford two, so he's gonna have to go.

That being said, with the value of the TE position in the Patriots offense, and Gronk's history, if not Bennett they need to go get someone else. A low-ish cost Vet? Sims? Toilolo?

I'd love if they could spin JG into the type of draft pick that could get them OJ Howard.
He did say on twitter that he was joking when he made that comment. But followed it up with "but it's funny because it's true", as in SB champs do get overpaid.
 

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Also, Berry is more of a strong safety. He and McCourty could absolutely play side by side.
I think it would be more three safety looks with Chung also on the field. Have thought about how fun that defense would be, but they probably arent going to spend that much on safeties.
 

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I think it would be more three safety looks with Chung also on the field. Have thought about how fun that defense would be, but they probably arent going to spend that much on safeties.
And draft Peppers from Michigan