Lakers '18 unprotected, a 2019 PHI pick and something off either the current roster or BOS picks can probably get them Butler if he's really available.
The Plan For the #1, er, #3 Overall Pick?
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Hypothetically is IT/Butler/Hayward/Horford plus Crowder/Smart/Brown bench pieces enough to surpass the Cavs? Assuming AB is dealt separately.
The Bulls are going to want more than the #3 pick for Butler. Otherwise why not make the trade before the lottery?
Even if it is enough to beat the Cavs, it is not going to be enough to beat the Warriors.
You can't trade for Butler and sign Hayward without ditching 20+ million in salary, so Smart, Crowder and Bradley would all have to go. Unless you can find a taker for Zeller without getting a player in return. Then you could keep one of those players.
Zeller's deal is nonguaranteed until 7/2/17, so you can just release him.
Edit: slow typer, didn't mean to pile on.
If Jackson really is the target at #3, what implications does it have for going after Hayward in FA? Does that make Blake more likely to be their top target? Or they're trading one or both of Crowder and Brown?
Maybe, though Hayward (and Brown) can both play the 2, and Jackson and Crowder can play minutes at the 4. Plus Jackson isn't likely to be ready to play big minutes on a top 3 team in the conference so you have another year to decide what to do.
If I had to guess, Danny's just listening right now. He's also trying to drive up the price between PHI and LA. It's smart timing that the news is coming out now - particularly given the leak about Magic being in love with Fultz.
I trust Danny on this one. To my knowledge, he's never been fleeced in a trade he's made and in fact he has said that he would have to be overwhelmed to trade the #1 pick. I don't think he's really all-in on Jackson or Tatum or Ball but I think he's trying to make someone overwhelm him enough that he doesn't have to worry about who he takes. I mean he hasn't worked out any of Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, or Smith so this isn't about a player. It must be about the haul.
I trust Danny on this one. To my knowledge, he's never been fleeced in a trade he's made and in fact he has said that he would have to be overwhelmed to trade the #1 pick. I don't think he's really all-in on Jackson or Tatum or Ball but I think he's trying to make someone overwhelm him enough that he doesn't have to worry about who he takes. I mean he hasn't worked out any of Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, or Smith so this isn't about a player. It must be about the haul.
Saw a report that DSJ is scheduled to work out for the Celtics tomorrow. Wouldn't be shocked if Ainge was high on him. Or Tatum. Or Isaac...
This only makes sense if Danny doesn't like Fultz as much as almost everyone else, or if he can somehow get Philly to agree to a Herschel Walker-esque trade. I guess I trust Danny on this
He's working Smith out this weekend per Jay King and I wouldn't be surprised if he's worked out people without the media knowing as well.
Jordan SchultzVerified account @Schultz_Report 1m1 minute ago
Markelle Fultz will in fact meet with the #Celtics in Boston tomorrow, per source. Hard to know what that means, but their mtg is locked in.
Markelle Fultz will in fact meet with the #Celtics in Boston tomorrow, per source. Hard to know what that means, but their mtg is locked in.
My hope is that this turns into a bidding war with other teams who have better chips, there has to be someone willing to part with player +
What are the better chips teams though? An unprotected likely top 5 odds lottery pick plus another pick to move down 2 spots is a pretty big haul. Very little out there I can think of that's much more valuable.
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@stevekylerNBA can you confirm Fultz meeting with the Cs tmrw? It was reported that he was then he was going to Philly instead.
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 6s7 seconds ago
Have heard 76ers trying to get him in, while Celtics working on Fox, Isaac and Tatum
Looks like Celtics are trying to work out a number of players that may be there at 3 in case Jackson isn't there.
@stevekylerNBA can you confirm Fultz meeting with the Cs tmrw? It was reported that he was then he was going to Philly instead.
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 6s7 seconds ago
Have heard 76ers trying to get him in, while Celtics working on Fox, Isaac and Tatum
Looks like Celtics are trying to work out a number of players that may be there at 3 in case Jackson isn't there.
Danny has
Huh? If Jackson isn't there that means Ball is, unless Bryan Colangelo is a fucking moron and takes Jackson at #1.
I hate Lavar Ball with the fire of thousand burning suns, but you take Lonzo at #3 and you don't even think about it.
It's not about Lavar. Many people don't like Lonzo at the NBA level. I suppose we can try to have a conditional trade worked out for him, in case he's available at 3.
I like Ball more than most, but no. And definitely no given Danny's typical preferences. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has both Fox and Smith Jr. ahead of Ball as PG prospects.
LaVar has nothing to do with it to me. Lonzo Ball needs so much to go right to be a star.
1. You have to believe that his small sample of college 3 shooting is more predictive than his FT% and 3pt shooting at every other stage of his career (and even his college numbers have weird splits).
2. You have to believe that he'll learn to go to his right consistently and with burst
3. You have to believe he'll be able to create his own shot off the dribble.
4. You have to believe he'll be able to get his low release jumper off against better athletes
5. You have to either believe he can improve his lateral quickness or live with him being a minus defender
6. You have to believe he'll become a better half-court playmaker.
That's a lot of shit that has to go right for him to be anything more than a poor man's Ricky Rubio. I think he can definitely get #6 and maybe #2 within a few seasons, I don't think he's ever getting 5, 4, or 3 and I think for 1 he's more likely an average than a plus shooter.
I'd rather gamble on a better athlete to learn skills than a guy with 1 or 2 good skills improving as an athlete AND adding skills.
So much this, nothing else is a rational explanation.
(for the record I love Fox, but Danny better get PAID for dropping down to 3)
Whatever draft pick comes here who isn't Fultz will have a lot of pressure on them to be better than Fultz.
Also, a large part of the Celtics fanbase has banked 20 years of regretting missing out on Tim Duncan. Not saying Fultz is as good or is the same as Duncan but many fans have been pining for the #1 pick for a long time. Stepping away from it is a huge risk. For those fans, I think the room is spinning right now.
Fultz alone or Jackson plus goodies? It's a career defining call for sure.
Also, a large part of the Celtics fanbase has banked 20 years of regretting missing out on Tim Duncan. Not saying Fultz is as good or is the same as Duncan but many fans have been pining for the #1 pick for a long time. Stepping away from it is a huge risk. For those fans, I think the room is spinning right now.
Fultz alone or Jackson plus goodies? It's a career defining call for sure.
If Ainge is trying to trade for Butler, that will likely preclude us from signing a max FA like Hayward due to salary cap implications. That's why #1/#3 + Hayward beats Butler IMO.
I wonder if the NBA would allow the Celtics to allow for a deal with the 76ers where the C's get the highest of the 1st rounders without specifying if that is the Lakers/Kings/76ers pick. If the deal was #1 this year for #3 this year and pick 2 of the 1st rounders held by the 76ers in '18 or '19, that's a deal i can see Danny making.
I wonder if the NBA would allow the Celtics to allow for a deal with the 76ers where the C's get the highest of the 1st rounders without specifying if that is the Lakers/Kings/76ers pick. If the deal was #1 this year for #3 this year and pick 2 of the 1st rounders held by the 76ers in '18 or '19, that's a deal i can see Danny making.
How likely is that pick to be a top 5 though? Odds have to be under 50% given the teams will be improving with top picks this year. There were 9 teams last year with 33 wins or less. A couple more wins from PHI/LAS and a bad ping pong bounce could easily have you looking at the #3 this year and #7 next year. Don't think that is worth close to #1 this year, esp when the likely #3 pick is not projected to be an elite difference maker nor a position of need.
Wasn't he a consensus #1 tier player among gm's according to Ford? I think public view of him is much lower than the pro view. Still #2 in most mocks.
What would it take to get KA Townes.
#3, the LA' 18 #1, the Nets '18 #1, Smart or AB, more?
would NO trade KAT, a guy who could walk in 3 years for a haul now?
#3, the LA' 18 #1, the Nets '18 #1, Smart or AB, more?
would NO trade KAT, a guy who could walk in 3 years for a haul now?
Extra picks just doesn't make sense to me unless you're flipping them, but GFIN makes even less sense given the context of the GOAT team standing in the way. Smokescreen to end all smoke screens, I hope.
Top 5 odds is what I said, so yes likely a top 7 pick. The Lakers were the 3rd worst team this year, and don't really have a path to improve significantly before next year, they have limited cap space, and a rookie isn't likely to improve the team's win loss totals. That is a very valuable pick. And if your worst case scenario is the #7 pick plus from a trade down of 2 spots... pretty good. And the trade value on that pick in year is pretty good.
MIN isn't trading KAT who is one of the best young players in the league and doesn't even hit RFA for several years for more lotto picks.
For NO did you mean Anthony Davis? Given that they just traded a lotto pick and their previous top 6 pick for Boogie they aren't looking to rebuild.
Yeah KAT isn't in play and neither is Davis. This is a pick swap but with another move we aren't yet privy to though.