Not really, every gm in the league knows the value of a 2nd round pick and that it's a face saving move for the Cavs.
Kyrie Irving traded to Celtics for IT, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, 2020 2nd
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And to be clear, they do want/need to save some face: if IT isn't himself, there's a good chance they're handing the conference to their biggest rival for the next 5-10 years, starting this year. This isn't a normal trade, and I don't expect other GMs to think they have similar leverage in the future.
The only bad thing I will say about Isaiah is that, maybe he shouldn't has said he expects "the Brinks truck" when talking about his next contract so many times. Maybe then Danny would have wanted to keep him around more so.
It's gonna be interesting for my, and many of our, favorite player in the NBA to be on the Cavs next year...
I understand every reason why Danny shipped him off. But we all have the right to miss the hell out of The Little Guy.
It's gonna be interesting for my, and many of our, favorite player in the NBA to be on the Cavs next year...
I understand every reason why Danny shipped him off. But we all have the right to miss the hell out of The Little Guy.
I love Isaiah, and this past season was really really really fun.
But once the hip situation happened, combined with his age, he was never going to stay.
I think Zizic is needed to make the money work - I don't think Nader's contract works even if they wanted to rework the deal. Anyhow, lets hope this report is accurate. I never liked this trade for a variety of reasons but the toothpaste is already out of the tube...
Nader ain't going with that contract. He has a shot to be a solid bench guy for 1.5 million a year through 2021.
I'm sure Boston is willing to unload their own #1 in either '18 or '19 to avoid the luxury taxes on a virtual second round pick.
I don't know whether to be impressed or frightened that you had that at your fingertips. Anyhow, don't you have some Farrell haters to go corral in the Sox game thread?
Maybe. I haven't done the math. But Nader only makes 400K less than Zizic. I agree that Nader might become a decent player. But Zizic could as well. And if there are no minutes for Crowder, there are no minutes for Nader either.
Gilbert being Gilbert, cash might be involved.
The Celtics do have residual interests in second round picks the next two years: each conveys if it is pick 31-55, but not otherwise. So they can trade the residual value of picks 56-60 each year. Which looks a lot more likely to actually be where they pick than it did when the underlying deals were made!
The other thing that's likely 'free' to give is swap rights the next couple years on the Celts first round pick.
The Celtics do have residual interests in second round picks the next two years: each conveys if it is pick 31-55, but not otherwise. So they can trade the residual value of picks 56-60 each year. Which looks a lot more likely to actually be where they pick than it did when the underlying deals were made!
The other thing that's likely 'free' to give is swap rights the next couple years on the Celts first round pick.
As soon as they stop whiplashing from "Sale has to pitch the eighth" to "Why didn't Farrell take him out?"
Actually Nader would work as well but I haven't read anything that suggests that either Cleveland or Boston would agree to this. Zizic was originally included because he made the money work and Cleveland liked him as a piece.
Meh, I think it was all in good fun. Danny even joked with him on twitter about it. I don't think Danny gives a single fuck about any player when it comes time to make a deal, which can be a good thing and a bad thing I guess.
I disagree - I think Danny gives a lot of fucks about the players but just like in any business he can't use those feelings in making a solid decision in what's best for the tesm. All things being equal I'm sure he'd rather not trade Isiah but they aren't so he has to make the hard call
It was worse. He was traded to Sacramento with Brad Lauhas (I think) for Joe Klein and Ed Pinckney.
I was devastated.
Are you kidding?! You didn't find the Kobe Farewell Tour brave, stunning, and a necessary experience for any franchise?
Ehh...his career 3pt % was .150--that's even worse shooting than Marcus Smart! Lohaus' was .361, that's still playable today.
I bet I'm not he only one who can easily name the college each one of those guys attended.
He shot 43% on threes in college. His overall suckitude in NBA was so large it apparently infected his outside shot, too
Also, the five picks after Michael Smith: Tim Hardaway; Todd Lichti; Dana Barros; Shawn Kemp; BJ Armstrong. Sigh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NBA_draft
After the trade, they pumped up the fact that Joe Kleine was a really good free throw shooter, which was sexy.
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Then who did we acquire Alaa Abdelnaby for? The man with the most A's in his name in the NBA ever, or at least at the time.
edit: Jon Barry. I remember he refused to sign for us so we had to trade him. Asshole. He could really shoot free throws too, though.
edit: Jon Barry. I remember he refused to sign for us so we had to trade him. Asshole. He could really shoot free throws too, though.
Yes but can you name the coaches of each (not Ainge) without looking? I got 2 out of 3 - missed on Kleine.
Weird, Kleine's the only one I know. Digger and Easy Eddie Sutton.
Same here...the fact that you didn't get it made me figure it wasn't Nolan Richardson, and that naming they guy who preceded him would be impossible...but actually it's a very well known guy. I had no idea.
EDIT: nighthob got it. Impressive that he knew Klein started out at Notre Dame!
Nine players came before Alaa with 5 occurrences of a single letter in their name, but none were A's:
Allen Leavell (L)
Steve Lingenfelter (E)
Danny Manning (N)
Johnny Neumann (N)
George Peeples (E)
Lou Tsioropoulos (O)
Ernie Vandeweghe (E)
Pete Verhoeven (E)
Steve Lingenfelter (E)
Danny Manning (N)
Johnny Neumann (N)
George Peeples (E)
Lou Tsioropoulos (O)
Ernie Vandeweghe (E)
Pete Verhoeven (E)
Since Alaa's career began in 1991, five players have followed in his footsteps with 5 A's:
Ashraf Amaya
Zarko Cabarkapa
Isaiah Canaan
Yakhouba Diawara
Arvydas Macijauskas
Zarko Cabarkapa
Isaiah Canaan
Yakhouba Diawara
Arvydas Macijauskas
A total of 21 players have had 5 or more occurrences of a single letter in their name, spanning
letters A, E, I, L, N, O, and S.
The sole record holder for most occurrences of a single letter in their name began his career just two years before Alaa:
Everette Stephens (6 E's, 1989)
I do, without looking it up
Lute, before he went to Arizona
George Raveling, who went to USC
Dr. Tom, after leaving Stanford
George Raveling, who went to USC
Dr. Tom, after leaving Stanford
A pretty impressive run
That's correct. Did you know that before I said he played for 3? Because that's impressive as hell if so.
No, I would have guessed Raveling and Olsen. Wasn't sure when Davis started there. I was in college mid 80s, those were my peak college basketball following years. I liked those Iowa teams though-Kevin Gamble, Roy Marble. They were a lot of fun.
I was just the opposite--I immediately thought of Dr Tom. I agree, those were fun teams.
Oh, that's right, he was Villanova, which means Rollie. Klein I only knew because everyone in my family was a Norte Dame super fan (except me), but I had to watch all those fucking Digger teams when I was young.
I think that would place you in the minority then. The fact that so many "experts" rated this trade a huge win for the Cav's when this trade was announced (and before the concerns over the severity of IT's hip and how many games he might miss this season became a factor) would seem to indicate (at least for Boston) that it was a factor....that and Ainge actually said it was.
Also from that article - this might explain the tension and current state of the trade.
link: http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/08/danny_ainge_boston_celtics_had.html
I was going to post this same thought. I don't think the "Brinks truck" stuff helped at all. I know Ainge laughed about it, and seemed to play along with the joke, but inside I think he made the same sober calculation that just about everyone on this board did -- Isaiah, while being a good player, isn't someone you give a max contract to.
No, I didn't look up Iowa because for some reason I have vivid memories of Lohaus making those top of the key bounce passes required in Dr. Tom Davis and his system.
I really liked that team: Lohaus, Armstrong ,Marble, and others. Forgot that was the first year of Davis.
As many of you know, Davis coached for many years at BC, where he was replaced by Gary Williams.
I went to BC in part because I loved watching those John Bagley/John Garris teams. Then Davis left of course.
My last contribution to the hijack, although somewhat relevant-two of the guys still ahead of IT4 on the all time scoring list for players under 6 feet are BC's own Michael Adams and Dana Barros.
My last contribution to the hijack, although somewhat relevant-two of the guys still ahead of IT4 on the all time scoring list for players under 6 feet are BC's own Michael Adams and Dana Barros.
Meh. I think it was pretty much assumed that a guy who made second team all-NBA would pursue a max deal, and nobody thought he was being unreasonable.
I said throw in an unprotected 2nd when this first came up and I stand by my position.
Would anyone give up Big Y instead?
Would anyone give up Big Y instead?
My last is that I had no idea Roy Marble had passed away. That was a fun Iowa team that ran into a tough UNLV team in '87.
It certainly doesn't put me in the minority here. At least post-trade.
Before the trade, of course, the consensus was that the Nets pick was certain to be top 3 and was a great asset. But once the trade went down, the Nets prospects improved, and that pick's now more likely to be a mid-lottery pick. Amazing how that works. I guess there are a ton of Allen Crabbe fans here.
The Celtics just got a 25 year old multi-time All Star for an expiring point guard they didn't want to pay, a nice role player, an unknown quantity in Zizic, and a mid-lottery pick. It's hard for me to view that as a huge overpay, despite the fact that I'm not particularly fond of Irving as a player and wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about ball-stoppy guys like Irving and Tatum paired together were I a Celtics fan.
But even despite those misgivings, I'm hard-pressed to see this as some drastic overpay simply because I think the assets the Celtics gave up all may well look far less valuable a year from now. Eventually the C's had to cash in on the Nets assets. It'd have been ideal had an Anthony Davis been available by trade, or a KAT had been sitting there at #1, but it didn't shake out that way. Personally, I'd have preferred a Butler or George (even with the FA risk) but I can understand why Ainge preferred Kyrie and think that they'd waited basically as long as they could wait turning those assets into NBA players.
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