In the Trop, as in space, no one can hear you screamAnyone follow the Rays closely enough to know if something was going on there?
In the Trop, as in space, no one can hear you screamAnyone follow the Rays closely enough to know if something was going on there?
As a writing professor, I'll tell you the same thing I tell my students (free advice!): Your job is to answer questions, not ask them. Anyone can ask a bunch of questions, but readers want a good writer to have already found the answers and provide them.So whats changed in the AL thats different from the NL? Why are the Mets, Brewers and Padres spending but Indians, Mariners , Orioles and Jays are not? Heck, why do the Yankees need to be under the LT threshold and pass on a Darvish which would make them a clear front runner in the East?
Red Sox give a pitcher 7 years without blinking yet cant bring themselves to give an elite DH a 6th year , a bat they deadly need to compete for the division. How are they so certain no other team jumps in?
So you're calling Sampo Gida a good writer and/or artist?That’s horrible advice! A good artist or writer asks questions that makes the audience or reader engaged enough in such a way that they will ask more questions.
As a writing professor, I'll tell you the same thing I tell my students (free advice!): Your job is to answer questions, not ask them. Anyone can ask a bunch of questions, but readers want a good writer to have already found the answers and provide them.
I'm guessing you're asking so many questions because you don't have answers, either, and you don't even have a true point to make; instead, you prefer to hint at ambiguity because it serves to validate your own unclear points.
Edit: Or you believe collusion is at play, but you won't come out and clearly state this.
EDIT: Nevermind. I know why I don't understand your posts. It rhymes with smignore.That’s horrible advice! A good artist or writer asks questions that makes the audience or reader engaged enough in such a way that they will ask more questions.
I don't agree with "Boras did it again." I guess you can say he got the best for his client but imo that's about it. He was projected to get something like 6 years $132m. He got 8 years $139M. Or am I missing something?EDIT: Nevermind. I know why I don't understand your posts. It rhymes with smignore.
Marxist and capitalist(swine) theory aside, what effect, if any, does the Hosmer signing have on JD Martinez?
I think that it's possible that the "flexibility" that was rumored may have had something to do with non-financial sweeteners in the deal, especially ones that may kick in once the current CBA expires in 2022.
Hosmer got a full no-trade clause for 3 years, limited for 2 years after, an an opt-out in year 5 when the CBA expires. After year 5 he also has 10/5 rights so gets full no-trade protection.
So basically, Hosmer gets 5 years at $20M, then has 3 years at $13 million per if he has a career threatening injury, or if he if underperforms AND he has leverage the whole time there to extract more value if the Padres don't like his contract and want to trade him.
Boras did it again. I would HATE it if those kind of terms were given to JDM, but you have to wonder if those were the kinds of terms he was looking for the Red Sox to offer after their initial offer of 5 years/ $100ish Million.
Those final 3 years on Hosmer's contract seem like window dressing but they are really smart. Security for the player and lower the AAV for the team.
If it would take a similarly structured deal to sign JDM at his current age, I’d pass. Sox don’t need to handcuff themselves beyond the 2020 season.EDIT: Nevermind. I know why I don't understand your posts. It rhymes with smignore.
Marxist and capitalist(swine) theory aside, what effect, if any, does the Hosmer signing have on JD Martinez?
I think that it's possible that the "flexibility" that was rumored may have had something to do with non-financial sweeteners in the deal, especially ones that may kick in once the current CBA expires in 2022.
Hosmer got a full no-trade clause for 3 years, limited for 2 years after, an an opt-out in year 5 when the CBA expires. After year 5 he also has 10/5 rights so gets full no-trade protection.
So basically, Hosmer gets 5 years at $20M, then has 3 years at $13 million per if he has a career threatening injury, or if he if underperforms AND he has leverage the whole time there to extract more value if the Padres don't like his contract and want to trade him.
Boras did it again. I would HATE it if those kind of terms were given to JDM, but you have to wonder if those were the kinds of terms he was looking for the Red Sox to offer after their initial offer of 5 years/ $100ish Million.
Those final 3 years on Hosmer's contract seem like window dressing but they are really smart. Security for the player and lower the AAV for the team.
I guess it depends on how similar. If our offer becomes 5/105 with $5m as an up front signing bonus, $22M for years 1-3, an opt out after year 3, and then 2 cheaper $18M tack-on years, that fills a need during this window, within CBT limits, without shifting too much value to JDM and risk to the Sox. Not my preference, but manageable.If it would take a similarly structured deal to sign JDM at his current age, I’d pass. Sox don’t need to handcuff themselves beyond the 2020 season.
A good artist would do this successfully. That doesn’t mean that unsuccessful or, er bad artists shouldn’t also attempt to engage the same strategies when they make their work, but perhaps a relevant question is if the writing is for artistic or journalistic purposes (this is less an issue for painting or sculpture).So you're calling Sampo Gida a good writer and/or artist?
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Interesting that this structure integrates one of Dave Cameron’s stated ideas before he went to the Padres, but with the twist of letting the player opt into the lower Cost back-end of the contract.I don't agree with "Boras did it again." I guess you can say he got the best for his client but imo that's about it. He was projected to get something like 6 years $132m. He got 8 years $139M. Or am I missing something?
The idea of front loading a deal and making the lower back-end salaries optional (via player options or an opt-out) in order to lower the AAV for luxury tax purposes only really works if the player finishes the deal and takes those low salary back-end years. If he opts out, the years he opts out of disappear and the deal's AAV gets retroactively adjusted (so Hosmer's AAV would go from $18M to $21M if he opts out after 5 years).Those final 3 years on Hosmer's contract seem like window dressing but they are really smart. Security for the player and lower the AAV for the team.
With regards to the bolded, the 3/$39MM really only works if the Padres view that portion as deferred money, with a small chance to hit it big if Hosmer sucks in year 5, opts in, and then is rejuvenated to a degree that he outperforms his contract.The idea of front loading a deal and making the lower back-end salaries optional (via player options or an opt-out) in order to lower the AAV for luxury tax purposes only really works if the player finishes the deal and takes those low salary back-end years. If he opts out, the years he opts out of disappear and the deal's AAV gets retroactively adjusted (so Hosmer's AAV would go from $18M to $21M if he opts out after 5 years).
In the Padres case, no big deal as they'll likely be nowhere near close enough to the cap to take a luxury tax hit. But if the Red Sox were to do something like this with Martinez to shave a couple million of AAV to fit themselves under the $237M line, they still might get burned if he opts out, changes his AAV, and causes penalties to be retroactively assessed.
How far back does the adjustment go? To just the recently completed year, or for all prior years? As you note, for a team like the Sox, that could have a significant unraveling effect on their moves post-signing in years 2 and 3 (if they included an opt-out after year 3, for example). In fact, I'm not sure how it would be fully implemented. If readjusting the AAV caused the team to retroactively exceed the CBT this year or next, how would the league impose the draft pick penalties? The Sox would have already made those picks! So would they belatedly charge the extra penalty $ and then take away a pick in 2021?The idea of front loading a deal and making the lower back-end salaries optional (via player options or an opt-out) in order to lower the AAV for luxury tax purposes only really works if the player finishes the deal and takes those low salary back-end years. If he opts out, the years he opts out of disappear and the deal's AAV gets retroactively adjusted (so Hosmer's AAV would go from $18M to $21M if he opts out after 5 years).
In the Padres case, no big deal as they'll likely be nowhere near close enough to the cap to take a luxury tax hit. But if the Red Sox were to do something like this with Martinez to shave a couple million of AAV to fit themselves under the $237M line, they still might get burned if he opts out, changes his AAV, and causes penalties to be retroactively assessed.
It would be adjusted for the length of the contract, of course. I would think the league would simply impose penalties immediately...assess the extra penalty money and if necessary, adjust the appropriate pick in the next draft.How far back does the adjustment go? To just the recently completed year, or for all prior years? As you note, for a team like the Sox, that could have a significant unraveling effect on their moves post-signing in years 2 and 3 (if they included an opt-out after year 3, for example). In fact, I'm not sure how it would be fully implemented. If readjusting the AAV caused the team to retroactively exceed the CBT this year or next, how would the league impose the draft pick penalties? The Sox would have already made those picks! So would they belatedly charge the extra penalty $ and then take away a pick in 2021?
Life isn't always fair.Poor guy, forced to make a hundred million dollars.
If i was JDM, that sounds great. if I were the Red Sox that sounds terrible.My guess: JDM signs by Thursday noon, 5/110 (22 each yr), with an opt-out after two years. JDM gets security and the chance to re-test the market at age 32 and does not have to take a pillow contract and compete in the 2018 FA market.
I highly doubt they will outbid themselves and a 2-year opt out sucks for Boston. When JDM leaves, they are right back where they started. You’d better win a championship in those two years.My guess: JDM signs by Thursday noon, 5/110 (22 each yr), with an opt-out after two years. JDM gets security and the chance to re-test the market at age 32 and does not have to take a pillow contract and compete in the 2018 FA market.
The only way I'd consider an opt-out is if the team gets some benefit in return. Let's say their current offer is 5/110M for 22M AAV. I would be okay with something along the lines of 6/102M for 17 AAV with an opt-out after 3 years. It would essentially be adding a free year to the end of the contract in order to reduce the AAV, which has more effect on the Sox budgeting.If i was JDM, that sounds great. if I were the Red Sox that sounds terrible.
Not that I necessarily buy into the idea that some sort of deadline looms, but the owners were talking to media this morning at JetBlue Park. Just the fact that the beat guys like PeteAbe and team officials are back under the same roof (so to speak) lends a bit of credence to him "suddenly" having a source.Pete's had nothing all winter and suddenly now a source of Pete has this "we're ready to move on soon" blurb.
Push is coming to shove very soon.
Or we've basically already moved on with Plan B back when the decision was made to re-up Moreland, just put the final touches on it with the Nunez re-sign, and at this point are just waiting for Boras to get on with it already (knowing damn well there was never a chance in hell they'd come crawling back here for our take-it-or-leave-it 5/$100m offer. Too much of a reputation and ego factor in play for that to ever happen).@PeteAbe
Source: The door to a deal with JD Martinez remains open as far as the #RedSox are concerned. But that’s not indefinite. They’re prepared to move on entirely or to another player.
Given both parties were actually still meeting and reportedly in flexible negotiations a week or so back, I'm currently guessing that Boras/JDM are forced into looking for their "win" here on the per/year side, resulting in a somewhat front loaded 3/$75-80m out of Arizona with an opt out after year two. Which serves the need of keeping Arizona up to competitive pace in the short term and at worst leaves them with a 1 year overlap on the potential Goldy extension concern.My guess: JDM signs by Thursday noon, 5/110 (22 each yr), with an opt-out after two years. JDM gets security and the chance to re-test the market at age 32 and does not have to take a pillow contract and compete in the 2018 FA market.
The money, sure, but I don't think any of us care about that. But can they take a 2019 Amateur draft pick if/when he opts out in 2021?The idea of front loading a deal and making the lower back-end salaries optional (via player options or an opt-out) in order to lower the AAV for luxury tax purposes only really works if the player finishes the deal and takes those low salary back-end years. If he opts out, the years he opts out of disappear and the deal's AAV gets retroactively adjusted (so Hosmer's AAV would go from $18M to $21M if he opts out after 5 years).
In the Padres case, no big deal as they'll likely be nowhere near close enough to the cap to take a luxury tax hit. But if the Red Sox were to do something like this with Martinez to shave a couple million of AAV to fit themselves under the $237M line, they still might get burned if he opts out, changes his AAV, and causes penalties to be retroactively assessed.
Apologies if I missed it.We talked about that upthread. Red(s)hawk's guess, which is probably right, is that, at least under the current CBA, they simply impose the pick penalty for that upcoming season (2021).
Hosmer reportedly just turned down a higher AAV deal/fewer years with the Royals for more guaranteed money with the Padres. I doubt JD or Boras turn down over 20 million dollars because of an ego trip, and I also highly doubt the Diamondbacks are willing to pay JD $25 million a year over the next three seasons. Once a contract is signed all of this BS takes an immediate backseat and baseball is played. Boras knows that the market for JD will not get better after three years, unless he repeats last year every single season of that deal.Or we've basically already moved on with Plan B back when the decision was made to re-up Moreland, just put the final touches on it with the Nunez re-sign, and at this point are just waiting for Boras to get on with it already (knowing damn well there was never a chance in hell they'd come crawling back here for our take-it-or-leave-it 5/$100m offer. Too much of a reputation and ego factor in play for that to ever happen).
Given both parties were actually still meeting and reportedly in flexible negotiations a week or so back, I'm currently guessing that Boras/JDM are forced into looking for their "win" here on the per/year side, resulting in a somewhat front loaded 3/$75-80m out of Arizona with an opt out after year two. Which serves the need of keeping Arizona up to competitive pace in the short term and at worst leaves them with a 1 year overlap on the potential Goldy extension concern.
You could be right I guess but i highly doubt it on multiple points.Or we've basically already moved on with Plan B back when the decision was made to re-up Moreland, just put the final touches on it with the Nunez re-sign, and at this point are just waiting for Boras to get on with it already (knowing damn well there was never a chance in hell they'd come crawling back here for our take-it-or-leave-it 5/$100m offer. Too much of a reputation and ego factor in play for that to ever happen).
Given both parties were actually still meeting and reportedly in flexible negotiations a week or so back, I'm currently guessing that Boras/JDM are forced into looking for their "win" here on the per/year side, resulting in a somewhat front loaded 3/$75-80m out of Arizona with an opt out after year two. Which serves the need of keeping Arizona up to competitive pace in the short term and at worst leaves them with a 1 year overlap on the potential Goldy extension concern.
They don’t. If AZ could find the money to sign him it would be done by now.You could be right I guess but i highly doubt it on multiple points.
At this point I'd be very surprised if JDM is anywhere but the Sox, I do think he could have an opt out after 3 years and some lower cost player options added at the end.
I'd also be very surprised if Arizona would pay anywhere near that kind of money.
Add this to the growing list of little details that don't really add up (imo) in the whole "of course JDM is eventually going to take that Sox offer" narrative.I'd also be very surprised if Arizona would pay anywhere near that kind of money.
If there was a better offer than the one the Sox reportedly put out to him, why is he still on the market?Add this to the growing list of little details that don't really add up (imo) in the whole "of course JDM is eventually going to take that Sox offer" narrative.
If there was no way Arizona was willing to pay in that ballpark, why are they even still bothering to meet/negotiate this late in the process?
Because they are being used as a bargaining chip?Add this to the growing list of little details that don't really add up (imo) in the whole "of course JDM is eventually going to take that Sox offer" narrative.
If there was no way Arizona was willing to pay in that ballpark, why are they even still bothering to meet/negotiate this late in the process?
Maybe Arizona and Boras haven't finished hammering out all the details in a contract concept that only gained real steam when they sat down again last week?If there was a better offer than the one the Sox reportedly put out to him, why is he still on the market?
Ok, so the idea that Arizona can't possibly be interested in JDM and the belief Boras/JDM are going to come crawling back to Boston for that 5/$100m is still the base theory you are working off of there though.Signing a $100+ million dollar contract is hardly "waving a white flag" but yes generally speaking the second option makes much more sense to me.
If Martinez signs for less than the biggest dollar offer, it wouldn't be on the advice of his agent. If he turns down the most money offered, I'm going to assume it was because he preferred the destination rather than because he wanted to gamble on doing better in a different market in a couple years.signing a contract that would make his client less money seems to be a somewhat unprofessional thing for Boras to do. I understand that the media has created a narrative of Scott Boras, egomaniac, but at the end of the day, the deal that pays his client more is the one his client will probably sign. I can't imagine that the Dbacks are able to afford him, especially after not being able to move Grienke. The meetings with the owner last week reek of Boras trying to circumvent the GMs, but it doesnt appear to have worked
Why? If JDM feels he's worth more then the $20m/per the Sox's offer is firm on he's not somehow obligated to take that just because it's clocking in with the most total money. What's "best" here might end up being subjective.signing a contract that would make his client less money seems to be a somewhat unprofessional thing for Boras to do
Yes, but what about all the poor players who come after him?? What kind of precedent would that create?!!If Martinez signs for less than the biggest dollar offer, it wouldn't be on the advice of his agent. If he turns down the most money offered, I'm going to assume it was because he preferred the destination rather than because he wanted to gamble on doing better in a different market in a couple years.