Whoever had the insight, patience and coaching experience who helped revitalize Patterson and Gordon. They were both huge contributors on a night they were needed to be.
I don't know the answer to that, but in the postgame on-field interview with Michelle Tafoya, the stats they flashed up for Gilmore were 4 targets, 2 completions for 15 yds.Gordon. 5-130 with a TD.
Where can I find the stats on how many times Gilmore was targeted/defended tonight? I've gotta see the numbers to appreciate just how good that performance was.
Yep hard to argue with that. Now we get to see first hand next week.Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
His pro day number was 4.5, so I'd take the 4.3 with a grain of salt.Reports were that just last year he ran a 4.3 40 time for the Browns as he got ready to return to action. So maybe it is just his hamstring.
But still. I’m with you.
Very true. Gilmore was pretty good for the most part last year (after getting acclimated to the new team) and has been pretty dominant this year.Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
It's strange to you that speed is a subject matter for a WR?Guy we traded a 5th round pick for goes 5 for 130 including a 55 yard TD and we're talking about his speed. SMDH, as the kids say.
That trope went viral with the Ochocinco Error, but I never truly bought into it. Mostly because anyone watching Chad Johnson here could see that he just didn't have the speed or quickness to get separation anymore.Gordon is averaging 18yds/catch (his career high is 18.9). Good for 7th best in the NFL. His game isn't remotely similar to Anquan Boldin's. Also, after last night he's the Pats leading WR by yards... After 6 games. Considering the old trope "The Pats offense is notoriously hard to pick up!" he's been great.
Absurd stat alert!That's crazy that Aaron Rogers has 1 more career loss on the road than Brady. 38-41 vs 91-40
Pats are also 7th in opposing passer rating despite all of the complaints about the D. 3rd in opposing completion %. 6th in YPA. T-4th for most picks.By the way, and this seems to happen every year but here we go again.... The Patriots are #4 in the NFL in points scored, and #11 in points allowed. Creeping up both rankings.
A few people were trying to make this point in the game thread last night, but what we saw last night is what really good defense looks like in the NFL in 2018. It's harder to play defense now then it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. Good offenses and especially good QBs are going to have success moving the ball and are going to score points.Pats are also 7th in opposing passer rating despite all of the complaints about the D. 3rd in opposing completion %. 6th in YPA. T-4th for most picks.
That Rodgers 38-41 career road record astounds me. Here are the other 4 guys they showed last night:Absurd stat alert!
Truly a remarkable run for Brady.
What madness, they kept showing the two goats in Brady and Rogers jerseys. Rogers isn't even close.
I think they showed the "5 HoF QB's" stat, of the record of each QB v. the other 5 (Rogers, Big Ben, Brees, P. Manning?) and while Brady was like 60-ish% win percentage, only 2 others had over 50%...and with the loss last night, Rogers is either at or below 50% today. (edit: I don't actually recall Brady's win %)
I've been negative nelly on the D over the past couple years and I agree. They've been more good than bad. Even the KC game wasn't that bad considering the spots the O / ST put them in at times. They've forced at least one turnover every week. The GB offense is only average, but holding anyone to 17 points is good.A few people were trying to make this point in the game thread last night, but what we saw last night is what really good defense looks like in the NFL in 2018. It's harder to play defense now then it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. Good offenses and especially good QBs are going to have success moving the ball and are going to score points.
Anyone looking at a defense's performance in 2018 and judging it in the same way that you'd measure a defensive success from years past is going to be disappointed. There has been a drastic change to the grading curve over the past decade plus. So in historical context does this defense suck, yes, yes it does. But if you apply reasonable expectations based on today's standards then I think the Pats defense falls in the top 3rd of the league. They arn't the best defense in the NFL by any means, but based on their peers they appear to be above average and the stats back this up.
To pile on here, I looked quickly at scoring defense from last year, 2017, and 2001.NFL passing averages by team per game
2001: 205.8 yards, 59.0%, 78.5 rating
2007: 214.3 yards, 61.2%, 82.6 rating
2011: 229.7 yards, 60.1%, 84.3 rating
2014: 236.8 yards, 62.6%, 88.9 rating
2018: 251.1 yards, 64.8%, 93.9 rating
So in Brady's career, the average NFL passing offense has increased by:
45.3 yards per game
5.8% completion
15.4 points of passer rating
That's incredible. As a point of reference, that's 17 years' time between 2001 and 2018. 17 years prior to 2001, the numbers were:
1984: 205.9 yards, 56.4%, 76.1 rating
2001: 205.8 yards, 59.0%, 78.5 rating
2018: 251.1 yards, 64.8%, 93.9 rating
The difference between 1984 and 2001 just isn't very much. But look at the difference between 2001 and 2018. Holy smokes how times have changed.
So yeah I totally agree. Expectations need to change.
That's how I read your original post. I thought Gordon would be faster too but we'll see if the extra gear does get kicked off once the hamstring completely heals.I’m allowed to say that Gordon has been excellent while at the same time pointing out that his speed isn’t what I thought it would be.
After the game, James White said that Patterson has continued to improve during practice running the ball. He may continue to be a contributor at that spot even with Michel's return.Whoever had the insight, patience and coaching experience who helped revitalize Patterson and Gordon. They were both huge contributors on a night they were needed to be.
We'll see the difference this Sunday at Tennessee!Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
I think the discussion should be if we *assumed* he was faster than he actually was. His pro day speed is obviously fast, but it's not NFL speed demon fast.That's how I read your original post. I thought Gordon would be faster too but we'll see if the extra gear does get kicked off once the hamstring completely heals.
I thought the graphic yesterday was the head-to-head matchup between those 5 qb's (as a totally separate question from career road record). The number of games was way lower, obviously.That Rodgers 38-41 career road record astounds me. Here are the other 4 guys they showed last night:
Brady: 91-40
Manning: 85-48
Roethlisberger: 64-40
Brees: 68-61
Rodgers' record doesn't come close to matching up with his peers.
Yup, it was. I was responding to the post who mentioned the road records, which was mentioned in this thread and not during the game. During the game, they showed a graphic of how Brady/Rodgers/Manning/Brees/Rapistburger have done against each other. Brady is now 20-11 whereas everyone else was like .500 or so.I thought the graphic yesterday was the head-to-head matchup between those 5 qb's (as a totally separate question from career road record). The number of games was way lower, obviously.
So the implication is he has had bad teams/coaches.And it's not like he's played poorly. His career road passer rating is 98.7.
So excellent that the lesser Manning is not in the list of “likely HOF QBs”. Can we judge from the networks that they are revising public opinion?Yup, it was. I was responding to the post who mentioned the road records, which was mentioned in this thread and not during the game. During the game, they showed a graphic of how Brady/Rodgers/Manning/Brees/Rapistburger have done against each other. Brady is now 20-11 whereas everyone else was like .500 or so.
I was just amazed at how a QB as good as Rodgers could have a sub .500 road record. That's insane to me. And it's not like he's played poorly. His career road passer rating is 98.7.
I made the same comment to my brother. His left leg is kicking before the ball is snapped on every single down it seems like.Looking back on last night, but does David Bakhtiari #69 on the Packers have a false start on almost every play? I'll rewatch the game on TV, but at the game he always seems .5 seconds early. He's up in his stance by the time the ball is snapped. Maybe he's just super quick, but it seemed to happen all the time.
There may be something to this. Favre is the gunslingiest of them all and he sported a career road record of 73-78. Another HOF gunslinger, Elway, was 53-61 on the road.So the implication is he has had bad teams/coaches.
So BB could have won 6 Sbs with Rodgers <Ducking!>
Seriously though Rodgers, like his predecessor has alot of gunslinger in him. Which is good sometimes and bad sometimes. That and he is made of Glass. I dont think I have ever watched a GB game he has played in that there hasnt been a replay of a sack or near sack followed by a grimace or shaking his hand/arm or slowly getting to his feet.
While I am sure that Brady has been blessed to have have BB, the fact that Brady started as a "Game manager" and understood the importance of protecting the ball and that he is one tough SOB is also a big part of the reason for his amazing record against all those other HOFers.
Rodgers has the lowest INT% in football history, I wouldn't call him a gunslinger. He's a quarterback who thrives off script, but he absolutely isn't reckless. I don't know how playing on the road would affect that kind of player more than your Brady/Manning style QB.There may be something to this. Favre is the gunslingiest of them all and he sported a career road record of 73-78. Another HOF gunslinger, Elway, was 53-61 on the road.
Brady: Home 98.7 / Road 96.4
Rodgers: Home 108.6 / Road 98.7
Favre: Home 88.3 / Road 83.9
Elway: Home 85.4 / Road 73.9
Brady is effectively the same QB no matter where he plays but these gunslingers are all notably "worse" on the road. Pretty interesting.
I honestly don’t know but a guy like him should not have a sub .500 road record so I find it to be interesting. Does Mike McCarthy coach better at home or something? It’s just weird to me.Rodgers has the lowest INT% in football history, I wouldn't call him a gunslinger. He's a quarterback who thrives off script, but he absolutely isn't reckless. I don't know how playing on the road would affect that kind of player more than your Brady/Manning style QB.
Not to mention, he is now 0-42 against teams with a winning record when he is more than 1 point behind in the fourth quarter. Guy has literally never had a big fourth quarter comeback against a good team.Many great efforts. Coradarelle. TB12. Gordon. Gilmore. McDaniels.
And Aaron Rodgers, the most talented QB in the history of the NFL who TB12 should look up to for his arm strength and mobility, is now 38-41 in his career on the road. 38-41.
2011-2014 Rodgers was likely the best 4 year stretch of QB play the NFL has ever seen, he was a machine in that period. But the sneaky truth is since 2014 he hasn't actually lived up to the standards he set at the beggining of his career. He's still elite at avoiding interceptions, and his TD% is very good (the fact that they never seem to run the ball near the goal line helps a bit), but his completion percentage and especially yards per attempt have been way down from his peak. His Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt is a full yard lower than Brady's in that period, which is why I don't really understand why he's gotten so much love as the GOAT lately, when since 2014 Brady has added two Super Bowl rings, an MVP and has soundly outperformed Rodgers statistically. I don't think he's having a particularly good 2018, either (neither is Brady, but I see that being mentioned a lot more than I do regarding Rodgers).Not to mention, he is now 0-42 against teams with a winning record when he is more than 1 point behind in the fourth quarter. Guy has literally never had a big fourth quarter comeback against a good team.
Wow. Hadn’t seen that stat. That is brutal.Not to mention, he is now 0-42 against teams with a winning record when he is more than 1 point behind in the fourth quarter. Guy has literally never had a big fourth quarter comeback against a good team.
To this point, from 2015-2018:2011-2014 Rodgers was likely the best 4 year stretch of QB play the NFL has ever seen, he was a machine in that period. But the sneaky truth is since 2014 he hasn't actually lived up to the standards he set at the beggining of his career. He's still elite at avoiding interceptions, and his TD% is very good (the fact that they never seem to run the ball near the goal line helps a bit), but his completion percentage and especially yards per attempt have been way down from his peak. His Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt is a full yard lower than Brady's in that period, which is why I don't really understand why he's gotten so much love as the GOAT lately, when since 2014 Brady has added two Super Bowl rings, an MVP and has soundly outperformed Rodgers statistically. I don't think he's having a particularly good 2018, either (neither is Brady, but I see that being mentioned a lot more than I do regarding Rodgers).
Remember when the Packers lost to the Seahawks in the 2014 NFCCG and everyone blamed Brandon Bostick for not coming up with the onside kick? The Packers defense forced 5 turnovers that game and had drives that started at the Seattle 19, the Seattle 23, and the Seattle 33 yards lines, and came away with a grand total of 9 points. It should never have come down to an onside kick at the end of the game, but no one placed any blame on Rodgers. It was all on the 3rd string TE. At least when Manning lost the media placed blame on him if he deserved it.I know Rodgers is great; but I’ve never seen a player where everyone in the media is so ready to make excuses for. His coach sucks, his defense sucks, the O line sucks, the play calling sucks, his receivers suck, his receivers are hurt, just nothing ever goes right for him. Yesterday in an article I read on The Ringer, someone wrote “For the second week in a row, Aaron Rodgers was denied a chance at winning by a teammate fumbling.” I guess they were talking about the Jones fumble; which of course skips over the fact that Rodgers got the ball back twice in the fourth quarter after the fumble and didn’t do squat.