That’s how Cam deal started too. I think this one might have legs. He is a clear upgrade.
Jose Peraza has more home run ability than Sony. Fournette just makes sense if he’s healthy and head is in the game. Sony can be depth, either here or somewhere else. He’s not getting a 2nd contract anyways.
Probably not considering he wants at least what Joe Mixon just got.Wonder if they're doing due diligence on Kamara.
It would be like a 6th round pick, if that. But that would be fine with me if Fournette is coming in. Sony is barely replacement level RB these days.Fournette on prove it deal would be a great low risk, high reward patriot move. Do you think this could result in trading Sony? Not sure if they can get anything for him.
Upgrading at RB while adding a 6th round pick, while having Harris waiting in the wings....that would be a pretty fantastic sequence by BB if it were to happen. I know they spent a first rounder on Sony and he has to be considered an overall disappointment, but he did give the team a tremendous playoff run and he was an absolutely key contributor to a SB-winning team. So yeah, if they can do this, sign me up.It would be like a 6th round pick, if that. But that would be fine with me if Fournette is coming in. Sony is barely replacement level RB these days.
While acknowledging the 6th round pick is entirely speculative, this would simply be a classic series of BB-era moves. Getting high production during a Super Bowl playoff run, then cutting bait when that same player can't provide consistency while adding an upgrade at minimal cost is how this dynasty keeps moving forward. My understanding is the off-field stuff includes a tendency of Fournette to be late to practice, so I'm guessing Fournette would be on best behavior given his contract situation. A perfect alignment of interests.Upgrading at RB while adding a 6th round pick, while having Harris waiting in the wings....that would be a pretty fantastic sequence by BB if it were to happen. I know they spent a first rounder on Sony and he has to be considered an overall disappointment, but he did give the team a tremendous playoff run and he was an absolutely key contributor to a SB-winning team. So yeah, if they can do this, sign me up.
Wouldn't they be using Fournette mostly on 1st and 2nd down though? If they were to be passing on either down, I'd imagine he might be the primary target.If Fournette is not able and willing to pass-protect, then BB bringing him onto the roster would be surprising.
That could be true.Wouldn't they be using Fournette mostly on 1st and 2nd down though? If they were to be passing on either down, I'd imagine he might be the primary target.
Hadn't thought of this until now. Are the Pats better equipped than other teams to play without the emotion that a crowd creates? Have they traditionally fed off the crowd more or less than most teams? This could be an advantage for a prepared veteran team. For very different reasons, I think a similar dynamic is helping the young Celts in the NBA.I may be a little pessimistic, but 2020 is shaping up as a real good year for the Pats to play in an empty stadium.
It's moot now of course, but I'd find it hard to believe they could have gotten a mid round (assuming you meant like a 4 or 5) for Michel. He's a perfectly fungible guy with injury issues and we all know how much RBs are valued these days, with a few exceptions. He essentially has one nice playoff run to his resume.Wonder what Sony's market would be. He's still cheap for a couple years. If they could sign Fournette and trade Sony for a mid-round pick I'd do it. Then even if Fournette leaves give the reigns to Harris.
Yeah you’re probably right that you’re looking at maybe a conditional 6th or somethingIt's moot now of course, but I'd find it hard to believe they could have gotten a mid round (assuming you meant like a 4 or 5) for Michel. He's a perfectly fungible guy with injury issues and we all know how much RBs are valued these days, with a few exceptions. He essentially has one nice playoff run to his resume.
His rookie year he had 209 carries for 931 yards, good for a 4.5 average. And then he had a really fantastic playoff run. That's a very good rookie season on the whole. And last year, at the end of the year (last 3 games plus playoffs), he played very well.It's moot now of course, but I'd find it hard to believe they could have gotten a mid round (assuming you meant like a 4 or 5) for Michel. He's a perfectly fungible guy with injury issues and we all know how much RBs are valued these days, with a few exceptions. He essentially has one nice playoff run to his resume.
He can’t catch out of the backfield, is an average at best blocker in passing and averaging 80yds a game over the last four games means very little imho. His rookie season his numbers were fine but behind the way that line played, mostly anyone ambulatory could average 4.5 yds (it’s hyperbole; I don’t need you to analyze every back in the league). I feel pretty safe to say the bulk of his value so far - and the general forgiveness he got after his rookie season - rest on the shoulders of those playoffs. YmmvHis rookie year he had 209 carries for 931 yards, good for a 4.5 average. And then he had a really fantastic playoff run. That's a very good rookie season on the whole. And last year, at the end of the year (last 3 games plus playoffs), he played very well.
19 att, 89 yds, 4.7 avg
21 att, 96 yds, 4.6 avg
18 att, 74 yds, 4.1 avg
14 att, 61 yds, 4.4 avg
72 att, 320 yds, 4.4 avg
He's not any kind of pro-bowl runner, but he has had more than "one nice playoff run to his resume".
Totally agree he's not Fournette. I wanted them to sign Fournette and trade Sony. I was just saying that he's got more on his pro resumé than "one nice playoff run". Because his rookie year, he was really solid all the way through the regular season, and then obviously fantastic in the playoffs. Money time.He can’t catch out of the backfield, is an average at best blocker in passing and averaging 80yds a game over the last four games means very little imho. His rookie season his numbers were fine but behind the way that line played, mostly anyone ambulatory could average 4.5 yds (it’s hyperbole; I don’t need you to analyze every back in the league). He’s the same age as Fournette, who just was on the street - considering the debate was signing Fournette and trading Michel as an upgrade, I feel safe saying he’s not Fournette. Add in his injuries and about the only thing impressive about him was the playoff run, otherwise he’s a dime a dozen. Breida just got a 5th; Howard a conditional 6th. Gordon, Gurley and Fournette were FAs.
I wrote my post when your message hadn’t loaded yet for me (I didn’t load new replies). It was purely coincidence that you typed that. I was just trying to sum up Sony and his trade valueFair enough, I remember him coming out being labeled as average at it, but I could easily be mistaken. Statement withdrawn.
Gotcha. I’ll still obviously defer to you on pass pro as I don’t watch film, but sounds like otherwise we’re on same page regarding overall value on the market.I wrote my post when your message hadn’t loaded yet for me (I didn’t load new replies). It was purely coincidence that you typed that. I was just trying to sum up Sony and his trade value
F’ing Brady...Damien Harris dealing with a hand injury that may keep him out for Week 1
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PSThomas PS candidate or do we think this is a clean break?
Thomas is a perfect PS candidate, even if he can’t graduate to the active roster he can get tons of reps and act as a scout team stand-in for the burners their secondary will likely face like Tyreek or Brown.The one guy I am pulling for the most today is my binkie Onwenu. Hoping he survives the cuts. Thomas should be a PS talent based on his tape and athleticism. I would love to see him and JJ Taylor make it.
Remarkably weak group of WR cut loose so far. Sanu is by far the biggest name out there short of Demaryius who we clearly have tried already.
He’s an upgrade over Meyers and (probably) Gunner. I agree with Doug in that I hope they seriously consider him. Ross didn’t even have an NFL reception.
Ratley was used almost exclusively as a deep threat up the right sideline and didn't contribute on special teams. Pass.He’s an upgrade over Meyers and (probably) Gunner. I agree with Doug in that I hope they seriously consider him. Ross didn’t even have an NFL reception.