Free Agency Frenzy Thread
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I still expect some junk to head out the door, a potential Smart move and we still need a PG. Neto is still out there but it’s tricky to get someone capable of starting without committing past this year.
Would people be happier if Richardson and Dunn had been acquired via FA instead of trade?
It's pretty clear the plan is "don't do anything that will impede us having space for Bradley Beal". If that means no two year deals, and we miss out on Kenrick Nunn, I'm OK with that.
It's pretty clear the plan is "don't do anything that will impede us having space for Bradley Beal". If that means no two year deals, and we miss out on Kenrick Nunn, I'm OK with that.
My laugh for the day, thanks.
And did Miami really pay that much for Butler and Duncan? Duncan has a skill, but pretty much just one. I know it's a valuable one but if that shot goes south ... hmm.
To your first question I think the answer is yes.
With respect to the plan, I agree with you but had thought of it primarily as a management directive. I’m wondering now whether it’s actually a J(s?) driven one, with mgmt buy-in, which would provide implicit air cover for the flexibility over talent choice from the Js, or at minimum they are in sync.
I think you are onto something. Because we got rid of Thompson it feels like we just took back what we could get rather than "signing" who we wanted. The Richardson contract actually looks pretty good compared to a lot of the contracts that have been doled out. It's a tough market. I don't think any of this means--as others have assumed--that the team is Beal or Bust, just that they want to remain flexible and be able to adapt to the landscape that presents itself. I also don't think it means we are punting on next season. If Tatum or Brown takes another step that means more than just about any free agent we could sign. That being said, we could obviously use another scorer/playmaker. Still lots of time to make moves.
It would depend what they did with the TPE.
I'm fine with what they have done so far, I am worried about people close to the team saying that they might skip out on the MLE.
I think you should use the resources at your disposal to put together the best short and long term solutions.
If you think you have a real shot at Beal (or LaVIne I guess but that seems less likely) then leaving next year open is fine.
One year deals on the MLE though is 4 to 5.9M (plus a few million in tax) to get a player who could have real value. If they choose not to use that I'll be disappointed, just like I would have been disappointed if they let the TPE expire instead of getting Richardson.
The other deal... that was just to save money it's pretty clear, and I think that's fine, losing TT does not hurt this team, even if I think the additions don't help much either. It's a lateral move that breaks a guy you don't want down into 2 smaller, easier to move pieces of little value.
On days like today, I try to remember how excited I (and others) were when we signed Kemba and how miserable it felt to have him on the books at such a ridiculous salary less than two years later.
Unless you're signing the very, very top of the market (Kawhi, LeBron, maybe you can stretch that to include Jimmy Butler) or undervalued minimum guys, free agency is a carnival mirror. All of these teams splurging will either be in purgatory or strapping picks to these contracts to get rid of them in two summers from now. Look at how many mid-level guys signed last year had to be unloaded this summer - I mean, Favors needed to go out with a first rounder.
I'm totally fine with looking for improvements from Nesmith, Langford, TL, and most importantly health to get us back into contention. I'd way rather be in the Celtics position with young talent and tradeable contracts than the Heat, who definitely will not win the championship this year (I'm sorry, I just do not buy that this roster can score consistently or stay healthy) and have zero flexibility for the next 3.
Unless you're signing the very, very top of the market (Kawhi, LeBron, maybe you can stretch that to include Jimmy Butler) or undervalued minimum guys, free agency is a carnival mirror. All of these teams splurging will either be in purgatory or strapping picks to these contracts to get rid of them in two summers from now. Look at how many mid-level guys signed last year had to be unloaded this summer - I mean, Favors needed to go out with a first rounder.
I'm totally fine with looking for improvements from Nesmith, Langford, TL, and most importantly health to get us back into contention. I'd way rather be in the Celtics position with young talent and tradeable contracts than the Heat, who definitely will not win the championship this year (I'm sorry, I just do not buy that this roster can score consistently or stay healthy) and have zero flexibility for the next 3.
On top of Butler and Bam. Holy crap who would want to meet that 5 out in a dark alley?
I'd just draw a 3pt line in front of me and pull out a beach chair and take a nap
John Collins getting the bag in Atlanta.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422917947123765251
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422917947123765251
That's been rumored to have been the Hawks' take it or leave it offer for months. He thought someone would max him (starts at 28M) but I think teams were sure ATL would match and didn't want to have the cap space tied up for days waiting.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422920447256141824
Well that's annoying, keeping 16 and just taking a big 1 year cap hit would have been much nicer than Al (and I like Al).
Well that's annoying, keeping 16 and just taking a big 1 year cap hit would have been much nicer than Al (and I like Al).
Could also be they went to Wyc and said... hey how you feel about paying Kemba 65-70M to not play for us, plus the tax on that? And he said get the fuck out of here, buyout would probably have cost him and extra 50-60M I would guess
I don’t agree at all. That would be one expensive question to ask. This ownership group is way too bottom line driven to have that vote get through. I wouldn’t do it either.
It also looks a lot worse to ask someone you signed to a four-year max contract for a buyout than that same player getting a buyout from a team he never played a game for.
Saw on twitter that buyout was for $73M but can't confirm it with anyone reputable so we'll see if this is accurate.
Someone named Jake Fisher (Bleacher Report) reporting that NYK is giving KW $8M average annual salary but no mention on length.
View: https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1422924906396897284
Someone named Jake Fisher (Bleacher Report) reporting that NYK is giving KW $8M average annual salary but no mention on length.
View: https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1422924906396897284
The whole remaining contract was only $73.6m. Seems like the buyout would be lower.
Looking forward to him getting switched to death and lit up on the defensive side in a non-Celtics uniform.
I'm really sad that Kemba didn't work out great here. He's one of my favorites and I was so excited that he was coming to Boston.
Kemba has some value, even in spurts. Obviously he is a net negative on his previous contract, but he's not worthless. Have to imagine he is either giving OKC a decent chunk of money back, or at minimum that 8M/year from the Knicks eats into the buyout amount.
73-16 = 57M, a more palatable number for OKC. Remember they probably viewed what was left on Al's contact as a sunk cost already and got a 1st rounder out of it. This does make any talk about OKC getting value for Kemba in a trade way off base, if his value on the open market is anything close to the 8M/year range.
No chance the Celtics would do any sort of buyout like this when Kemba still has intermittent value, wouldn't make any sense for them. Far easier compromise once he was on OKC and the Knicks became a realistic option.
73-16 = 57M, a more palatable number for OKC. Remember they probably viewed what was left on Al's contact as a sunk cost already and got a 1st rounder out of it. This does make any talk about OKC getting value for Kemba in a trade way off base, if his value on the open market is anything close to the 8M/year range.
No chance the Celtics would do any sort of buyout like this when Kemba still has intermittent value, wouldn't make any sense for them. Far easier compromise once he was on OKC and the Knicks became a realistic option.
I'll be interested to see if he's available on the second night of back-to-backs. That plan made it really tough for the C's to have any continuity during the 2020-21 regular season.
Folks were concerned about OKC flipping Kemba for a first and now we are mad that instead they have to pay him a ton of money to play elsewhere with nothing in return? OK.
Kanter, huh.
Kanter, huh.
We're putting the band back together!
(For the record, I like Kanter in a limited role. Plus he seems to be good for team chemistry.)
I will say this... if Kanter is on the minimum and we plan to cut Parker it kinda makes sense. Kanter is a better version of Parker in terms of a offense only big who can't shoot 3s
I’m good with Kanter. We need someone as a third center with size who can bang with some of the bigger centers in the league.
Yeah I'll be interested too. You treat your max cornerstone guy with 2+ years left on his deal much differently than a vet role player making 8M per year.
I'm sure they don't want him to have knee flare -ups, but might be less strict and more up to Kemba and how he feels rather than a top down order from management.
Time to start planning the parade!
I actually like the Kanter move. They needed another body with 6 fouls at C, and Kanter is that. He's also a good offensive player/terrible defender, and with the Celtics having made upgrades on D, he probably can fill a useful role.
In his Boston season, he played 58 games and averaged 17 minutes per game while sharing C with Theis (24 minutes), Rob (13 minutes in many fewer games), and small ball C Grant. If he's not getting more minutes than that, this works.
Edit: I am also assuming he's signing for closer to the vet minimum than the MLE.
I actually like the Kanter move. They needed another body with 6 fouls at C, and Kanter is that. He's also a good offensive player/terrible defender, and with the Celtics having made upgrades on D, he probably can fill a useful role.
In his Boston season, he played 58 games and averaged 17 minutes per game while sharing C with Theis (24 minutes), Rob (13 minutes in many fewer games), and small ball C Grant. If he's not getting more minutes than that, this works.
Edit: I am also assuming he's signing for closer to the vet minimum than the MLE.
View: https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1422950253221748744
Eww, giving him anything more than the min is gross
Eww, giving him anything more than the min is gross
Kanter got run off the court for Portland in the playoffs just like he got mercilessly targeted while in Boston, and NY etc etc. The plusses are obvious - the guy is very good offensively but he may have the "heaviest" feet of any athlete ever including race horses. He is so slow that Second Spectrum is still waiting to record a cut to the basket from 2017. However I suspect that Kanter's rep as a good teammate and someone who is fine with their role was a factor. We don't know the exact state of the Celtics team chemistry last year but it clearly seemed off from the outside. At the very least, the team can get back to amusing themselves as Smart and Kanter resume their ongoing competition in everything.