Free Agency Frenzy Thread

JCizzle

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Lol, apparently all the Lakers deal have been for the minimum they still have the mini-MLE left. People REALLY want to play with AD/LeBron/Russ
Monk went for the minimum?? Ughhhhh.

Edit: Not that he's a star or anything, but I certainly would have liked him off the bench as a scoring option.
 

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I‘ll be surprised if Stevens brings over Madar this summer, as he will cost money yet not likely help the team all while burning a year of team control and being at risk of roster clearing next summer. It’s far better to let him develop in Israel on someone else’s dime and then bring him over next year when the dust settles.
As far as I know he's still under contract in Israel and there's no way he's getting enough as a marginal second round pick to afford the buyout. I know he wants to come over, but practically speaking he can't afford it.
 

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As far as I know he's still under contract in Israel and there's no way he's getting enough as a marginal second round pick to afford the buyout. I know he wants to come over, but practically speaking he can't afford it.
I think that the C’s can spend $700K on a buyout before it affects the cap/tax. After that point, Madar has to pay the rest (which the C’s could conceivably compensate him to do). In a cost/benefit evaluation, there seems to be little incentive to bring him over this summer.
 

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Anthony Davis is going to have his hands full having to guard five players at once every time down the floor.
 

nighthob

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I think that the C’s can spend $700K on a buyout before it affects the cap/tax. After that point, Madar has to pay the rest (which the C’s could conceivably compensate him to do). In a cost/benefit evaluation, there seems to be little incentive to bring him over this summer.
Most Euroleague teams hold their players hostage for early release, and even first rounders end up taking out loans to finance their buyouts. I'm just pointing out that there's no way a bank is underwriting that loan for a second rounder that's almost certainly not getting more than one or two guaranteed years.
 

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Most Euroleague teams hold their players hostage for early release, and even first rounders end up taking out loans to finance their buyouts. I'm just pointing out that there's no way a bank is underwriting that loan for a second rounder that's almost certainly not getting more than one or two guaranteed years.
I’m not disagreeing. I don’t see a real upside in bringing Madar over this summer, though it may be his preference.
 

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I’m not disagreeing. I don’t see a real upside in bringing Madar over this summer, though it may be his preference.
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Yeah, no chance that Boston spends the max buyout money for a two way player.
 

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Bulls have some interesting pieces, to say the least.

Lonzo, LaVine, DeRozan, Williams, Vucevic, Caruso, Coby White.
 

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Bulls feel like Sacramento/Minnesota where they feel like they have a good collection of talent but they never are competitive.
 

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I think I'm going to lol Bulls, but at least they're trying.
 

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I think I'm going to lol Bulls, but at least they're trying.
I really like what their doing and feel that Ball/DeRozan is a significant talent upgrade. Adding these two to the Lavine/Vucevic core while still having Patrick Williams growing is a real nice start now that they added so many veterans/IQ guys since last deadline. To me this is a playoff team in the East having gone from Zach and a bunch of kids to Zach with 3 super high IQ veterans who are all above avg at their positions.
 

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I really like what their doing and feel that Ball/DeRozan is a significant talent upgrade. Adding these two to the Lavine/Vucevic core while still having Patrick Williams growing is a real nice start now that they added so many veterans/IQ guys since last deadline. To me this is a playoff team in the East having gone from Zach and a bunch of kids to Zach with 3 super high IQ veterans.
I agree it's a playoff team, but not a high upside one & they've mortgaged a lot of stuff to get there. It's probably better than their previous plan of drafting bad players & not doing much else, though.
 

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I agree it's a playoff team, but not a high upside one & they've mortgaged a lot of stuff to get there. It's probably better than their previous plan of drafting bad players & not doing much else, though.
They really need to convince LaVine to sign an extension. He walks and they are in trouble.
 

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I guess their '23 pick is only top 4 protected so they might as well try to be good.

It's definitely an interesting mix & we'll see how it plays out. Thought the Lonzo move was real nice. Not so much the Derozan one.

It will be fun to watch, though. Interesting mix of players.
 

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I guess their '23 pick is only top 4 protected so they might as well try to be good.

It's definitely an interesting mix & we'll see how it plays out. Thought the Lonzo move was real nice. Not so much the Derozan one.

It will be fun to watch, though. Interesting mix of players.
That DeRozan move is hilariously awful. That’s one of the 10 worst contracts in the league already and they gave up legitimate assets in order to grossly overpay him (Thad Young was very good last year).

I loved the Lonzo move. Didn’t mind the Caruso one, even though I question the need and fit at this point.

Theyve spent a ton of money to ensure that they’re going to lose in the 1st round again.
 

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What's the incentive, on both sides, to turn all of these signings into S&T? Is it a payoff from the Bulls to the Spurs to not match the offer (with the Spurs not letting on that they wouldn't have anyway)?
 

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What's the incentive, on both sides, to turn all of these signings into S&T? Is it a payoff from the Bulls to the Spurs to not match the offer (with the Spurs not letting on that they wouldn't have anyway)?
Derozan is an unrestricted free agent, so Spurs can't technically match.

The Bulls don't have cap room, so the only way they can add Derozan is a s+t. So the Spurs can help out the Bulls in their acquisition if the Bulls offer something the Spurs want, or the Spurs could just say no thx & the Bulls can't get Derozan.
 

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Derozan is an unrestricted free agent, so Spurs can't technically match.

The Bulls don't have cap room, so the only way they can add Derozan is a s+t. So the Spurs can help out the Bulls in their acquisition if the Bulls offer something the Spurs want, or the Spurs could just say no thx & the Bulls can't get Derozan.
A) The Spurs can take on salary to help the Bulls get under the cap, and in return get draft picks or a nice young asset.
B) The Spurs along with all teams are subject to a salary floor at 90% of the cap. So with a salary like Derozan leaving, they need to either think about taking other reasonable assets from the signing team, or alternately once the good free agents are signed they have to sign some shlub for $15 million.
 

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A) The Spurs can take on salary to help the Bulls get under the cap, and in return get draft picks or a nice young asset.
B) The Spurs along with all teams are subject to a salary floor at 90% of the cap. So with a salary like Derozan leaving, they need to either think about taking other reasonable assets from the signing team, or alternately once the good free agents are signed they have to sign some shlub for $15 million.
Pretty sure it's a matter of salary match not getting under the cap.

& the correct play to avoid the floor is to take on other people's bad contracts & receive assets to do it.

In this case, a 1st, 2 2nds, & a potentially movable Thad contract is a good haul.
 

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Who were the Bulls competing against to give Derozan 85M? Wow.

I suppose maybe he claimed he would go to LA for cheap unless they went crazy high, but yikes.

The Bulls are improved but that's already a big negative asset contract.
 

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Anthony Davis is going to have his hands full having to guard five players at once every time down the floor.
No kidding! And you posted that before the Nunn signing, which is another terrible defensive player. The Lakers have made a lot of good deals for cheap money, but collectively they are a huge defensive downgrade...especially since they let Caruso walk. That team has been a the top of the league defensively the last 2 seasons and now...? AD will cover a lot of flaws, but not all of them.
 

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Is there a team other than Boston that has yet to add at least one free agent?
 

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I suspect Kelly Oubre is going to wind up being a steal for someone if he's forced to settle for a one-year prove-it deal.
 

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Is there a team other than Boston that has yet to add at least one free agent?
Minnesota hasn't gotten anyone, and Philly may as well be in that boat (they added Drummond for the minimum).
 

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I'm a bit surprised by how today went. I thought BOS would be making aggressive 1 year mini-MLE offers to some of the leftovers. Instead we're getting rumors that they might not even use it.
This feels like a throwaway year. Not just staying flexible long term for Beal, but a lot like they are under an ownership directive to keep the tax payments to the minimum they can.
 

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Yeah I wish we shuffled the deck chairs too. 90% of the deals handed out in the last 30 hours have been absolute junk, but I wish that we got some of that.