It's funny because it's true.Burrow sitting on 2 damaged knees would be a better passer than Newton standing up.
It's funny because it's true.Burrow sitting on 2 damaged knees would be a better passer than Newton standing up.
How in the everlasting fuck does Chris Simms still have a job?Not sure if I saw this linked anywhere, though all the QB-related threads are kind of a blur. This is Rodney Harrison giving his take on the QB battle before Cam’s departure and it’s pure kool-aid. I love this guy.
View: https://youtu.be/1Kk9WOCo6aI
And Ditka would have, at gunpoint if necessary, forced Ryan to back off the 46 look a little bit, and mix in some zone coverages. Marino with his release, and those small, quick receivers were the one offense in the league that year capable of beating that blitz. Even Walsh hadn't really figured it out at that point.Marino had beaten the Bears on a Monday night earlier in the season the Bears only loss. However I think the Bears would have been just as motivated for a rematch with Miami in Super Bowl XX should they have been the opponent.
His father. Honestly, there is no other reason. if his name was Chris Smith nobody would know who he is.How in the everlasting fuck does Chris Simms still have a job?
There have been "highs and lows for Cam in New England"? Hard to remember a high.How in the everlasting fuck does Chris Simms still have a job?
I guess that time he almost led them to a week 2 victory at Seattle.............. otherwise, yeah, I got nothing.There have been "highs and lows for Cam in New England"? Hard to remember a high.
I am sure there are a few Broncos fans that do. Circa '09 Simms make '20 Cam look like the goat of all goats. He was a trash QB and now has trash takes.His father. Honestly, there is no other reason. if his name was Chris Smith nobody would know who he is.
Yeah I mean after week 2 he was sitting on a 71% completions, ANY/A of 7.76 and 120 rushing yards, with 5 total TDs to 1 turnover. Then is started to fall apartI guess that time he almost led them to a week 2 victory at Seattle.............. otherwise, yeah, I got nothing.
To be fair to Chris Simms (OK, not really) there was quite a bit of commentary after week 2 about "how did everyone else let Belichick get Cam Newton for a song."Yeah I mean after week 2 he was sitting on a 71% completions, ANY/A of 7.76 and 120 rushing yards, with 5 total TDs to 1 turnover. Then is started to fall apart
I think people at the time got a little too excited about that second half against a team that gave up 900 combined passing yards (not an exaggeration) in the game prior and the game following Cam's performance. We played the Seahawks when their pass defense was historically bad.Yeah I mean after week 2 he was sitting on a 71% completions, ANY/A of 7.76 and 120 rushing yards, with 5 total TDs to 1 turnover. Then is started to fall apart
Yeah that was pretty funny. As announcers Sims tends to overstate for drama, but Rodney doesn't. It seemed to me like Rodney was trying to let him off the hook, but Sims kept up his front.How in the everlasting fuck does Chris Simms still have a job?
He played well against MIA too. I think anyone who thought he'd throw for 320+ a week was crazy, but a MIA type performance would still have made him really valuable. Take care of the ball, complete passes, run effectively for chunk plays to open up the D, and be a monster in the red-zone. That's a really valuable QB. Problem is for whatever reason his running fell off, and his passing regressed. Some of the rushing could be COVID related, the passing was mostly just a shredded shoulder, bad footwork, bad receiving options and a lack of playbook knowledge. THe thought this year was that 3 of those would be fixed, and the footwork might improve. To an extent that was true, but the shoulder is still a mess and the footwork still inconsistent, so they're moving on.I think people at the time got a little too excited about that second half against a team that gave up 900 combined passing yards (not an exaggeration) in the game prior and the game following Cam's performance. We played the Seahawks when their pass defense was historically bad.
There was no looking past NE. One crazy thing about Marino is that the Patriots of that era had a lot of success against him. For his career, he threw more interceptions than touchdowns against New England (42-46 in 30 games). From 1985 through 1988, Marino was 1-8 against the Patriots in the regular season, including 7 straight losses from 1986 to 1988 (including the 1985 playoff game). In those 9 games he threw 12 TDs and 16 INTs. And the lone win was a 30-27 win in which Marino was nothing special: 17-33 for 192 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. The Patriots are the only team Marino played more than 5 times and threw fewer TDs than INTs. Ray Berry's Pats had his number.That Bears D was just insane, but the funny thing is that if Miami didn't shit down their leg looking past NE in the AFCCG, the Bears probably don't win the 85/86 SB. Marino et al had the exact offense to exploit the shit out of that Bears D.
That's an amazing stat. I never would have guessed that. I recall that Marino struggled at times against the Pats, but I also thought he torched them quite a bit, too.For his career, he threw more interceptions than touchdowns against New England (42-46 in 30 games).
He may well have torched them quite a bit during the Rod Rust/Dick McPherson errors.That's an amazing stat. I never would have guessed that. I recall that Marino struggled at times against the Pats, but I also thought he torched them quite a bit, too.
Hey, you spelled eras wro.....................oh I see what you did there.He may well have torched them quite a bit during the Rod Rust/Dick McPherson errors.
Yes, very likely -- but then again, lots of QBs, good and bad, beat up on those cellar-dwelling teams.He may well have torched them quite a bit during the Rod Rust/Dick McPherson errors.
“Clete! That’s criminal!”I fully expected for the clip to end with Gronk getting mugged in the end zone as a pass gently falls a few feet in front of him. Great game.
Yeah, I don't think you're winning a lot of games with the kind of performance he had against Miami and there's a reason he never really replicated it. Teams adjusted and that was that. He couldn't throw the ball.He played well against MIA too. I think anyone who thought he'd throw for 320+ a week was crazy, but a MIA type performance would still have made him really valuable. Take care of the ball, complete passes, run effectively for chunk plays to open up the D, and be a monster in the red-zone. That's a really valuable QB. Problem is for whatever reason his running fell off, and his passing regressed. Some of the rushing could be COVID related, the passing was mostly just a shredded shoulder, bad footwork, bad receiving options and a lack of playbook knowledge. THe thought this year was that 3 of those would be fixed, and the footwork might improve. To an extent that was true, but the shoulder is still a mess and the footwork still inconsistent, so they're moving on.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7L_7qIPkKU
/ducks
Oh you're right.View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7L_7qIPkKU
I don't think there's any way Gronk gets that ball. Gronk has a ton of awful non-calls in his career, this one is an awful throw by Brady to a double covered Ground and he under threw it.
I file this under the Tom Brady got called twice (in the 2007 SB and the Seattle game) for Intentional Grounding that's never called. It was the right call, but 99% of the time it's not called. This falls in that same bucket. It's the right call but never called that way.Oh you're right.
But it's still a penalty.
One of my favorites also, and one of the few jerseys I own. Watch any of the playoff and SB highlights from 38 or 39 and he’s in the middle of everything.Rodney is my favorite Patriot of all time. Love that guy
I've never heard of "uncatchable" defined to include being uncatchable because there is another defender between the receiver and the ball. Would have to look at the text of the rule, though.View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7L_7qIPkKU
I don't think there's any way Gronk gets that ball. Gronk has a ton of awful non-calls in his career, this one is an awful throw by Brady to a double covered Gronk and he under threw it.
Cost us home field if I remember correctly.I've never heard of "uncatchable" defined to include being uncatchable because there is another defender between the receiver and the ball. Would have to look at the text of the rule, though.
The ball was traveling on a plane that clearly - CLEARLY - would have been catchable for Gronk, but for the defender who picked it off. If he wasn't held, could Gronk have cut back and gotten his hands on it? The defensive back did - and they were in basically the same position when they recognized the ball's path. It seems like he should get the benefit of the doubt in that situation, but NFL rule interpretations are generally insane, so who knows.
That was truly infuriating when it happened, though.
No wonder his shoulder is shot. Hes been throwing it 50 yards downfield off his back foot for years.I don’t think anyone who watched this preseason could say 2021 Cam was 60% of this Cam. The whole throwback Cam thing is a joke.
View: https://twitter.com/HoHighlights/status/1433425321211006976
He was slow running last year and he couldn’t sniff at those last 2 throws now.
I don't understand how any of the Simms ever had a job at anything. His dad was a mediocre QB who parlayed that into being the worst announcer in sports, and having a son be a lousy college qb, a lousy pro qb, have a lousy spleen, then be a lousy analyst. Why do either of these goons get employmentHow in the everlasting fuck does Chris Simms still have a job?
Cause the world really isn't as big a meritocracy as the propaganda would have you believe...I don't understand how any of the Simms ever had a job at anything. His dad was a mediocre QB who parlayed that into being the worst announcer in sports, and having a son be a lousy college qb, a lousy pro qb, have a lousy spleen, then be a lousy analyst. Why do either of these goons get employment
I completely agreed with this then I researched Chris Simms QB Pre Draft Rankings.I don't understand how any of the Simms ever had a job at anything. His dad was a mediocre QB who parlayed that into being the worst announcer in sports, and having a son be a lousy college qb, a lousy pro qb, have a lousy spleen, then be a lousy analyst. Why do either of these goons get employment
And he had 2021's QBs:I completely agreed with this then I researched Chris Simms QB Pre Draft Rankings.
In 2017 he had Maholmes over Watson and called him a generational talent.
2018
2019
- Lamar Jackson
- Josh Allen
- Baker Mayfield
- Sam Darnold
- Josh Rosen
2020
- Kyler Murray
- Drew Lock
- Dwayne Haskins
- Ryan Finley
- Jarrett Stidham
- Daniel Jones
- Clayton Thorson
- Will Grier
- Joe Burrow
- Justin Herbert
- Jordan Love
- Tua Tagovailoa
Even if we put aside everything that was happening after the ball was snapped, it seemed pretty damning that the rookie looked way ahead of Cam pre-snap. Not that it was ever Cam's strong suit, but he's a 10-year vet in his second season with the team, and the rookie was ahead of him in picking up the offense. Not the first time we've seen vets have trouble grasping things here, and that may ultimately be more of a positive reflection on Mac than anything, but Cam doesn't really have the arm talent any more to be able to compensate as a "see it, throw it" kind of guy. He needs to be accurate and on time with the ball, and he needs to be able to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap adjustments, at least in this offense, and that's never really been his game. He's always been the superman with otherworldly talent that could just do things nobody else could.According to several discussions with offensive players on the Pats, New England’s QB competition wasn’t particularly close and was trending this way for weeks.
After Jones carved up the Giants’ starting defense on the first day of joint practices, we reported that the key decision-makers in the organization saw that the rookie was outplaying Newton.
And speaking to those that knew the play calls, reads, protections, good plays, and bad plays, Jones’s execution of the offense was better than an improved Newton’s this summer.
The question became about the best course of action to transition to Jones, not if Jones would start this season, and Belichick decided to avoid delaying the inevitable.
Although Newton’s timing improved this summer, coaches grew frustrated with his lack of ability to check the offense out of plays that weren’t going to succeed against a particular defense.
Yeah, but we're hiding behind keyboards and aliases ... so we can be toughEven if you don't agree with Simms' takes, some of the takes here are unfair at best. Personal attacks on his father are also unnecessary.
If it wasn't the ending of the second Jets game that year.Cost us home field if I remember correctly.
That's how I feel.I'm glad someone defended Phil Simms. He was a terrific QB and always seemed like a good guy to me.
Yeah, why is Phil Simms getting shredded here? So weird.That's how I feel.
I'm also glad Chris Simms' QB rankings are also posted. I distinctly remember him taking a ton of crap for having Jones as the #3 prospect when no one else did.
Both Simms deserve credit where they are due. Otherwise, back it up with any kind of decent analysis or evidence.
Bedard has said the same, and is doing a game by game review of the preseason coaches tape.Lazar seems to confirm what I thought may be the case, which is that this competition wasn't very close:
I don't think either quarterback was all that great in the game, as evidenced by two grades in C range.
Jones was quicker, and he was clearly better although that's a bit unfair given that Jones had 22 dropbacks and Newton just seven.
Jones did have 4 "A "(4-5 points) throws in 22 attempts (18 percent). Newton had 1 in 7 (14 percent).
But Jones had only 3 of 22 plays below average (13.6 percent). Newton had 4 in 7 (57.1 percent).
That could be the point of all this, and a big reason why Jones won out over Newton: Both will give you similar good plays, but Jones will minimize the poor plays.
Through one game, similar ceiling, Jones has the higher floor.
Game 1 winner: Jones.
Nink being newish to the ways of media, I wonder if he took an anecdotal account and made it into a blanket statement. He could easily have heard that Mac was explaining what he looks for during one of a multitude of plays. It would be foolish of any veteran not to ask teammates for their input on such things.Rob Ninkovich says he heard from his sources inside the building that Mac Jones was actually helping Cam learn the playbook. Think about that for a second. A guy in his 2nd year in the system did not grasp the playbook as well as a rookie who just stepped in the building.
Valid point. But from what we did see, it seems plausible.Nine being newish to the ways of media, I wonder if he took an anecdotal account and made it into a blanket statement. He could easily have heard that Mac was explaining what he looks for during one of a multitude of plays. It would be foolish of any veteran not to ask teammates for their input on such things.
It doesn't necessarily translate into Cam not grasping the playbook. This could be a single instance on a specific play.
The two-minute and no-huddle comments add needed context. Thanks.Nink's full quote
"From what I gained ... from sources inside the actual building, from everything I understand now, Mac [Jones] was basically helping Cam [Newton] learn the playbook. ...
"Because Mac was having less M.E.s, that's mental errors ... and having a better understanding of the offense. We didn't see Cam running any two minute, we didn't see him run any no huddle. You have to run no huddle. That's vital."
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3382161/rob-ninkovich-says-mac-jones-was-helping-cam-newton-learn-the-patriots-playbook