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That was the most egregiously horrendous, illogical, awful decision I have seen in many, many years. Lara destroyed PW systematically, clocking him cleanly and repeatedly, beating him to a pulp with that left all night. There was no way on God's green earth I would have thought PW was even close on anyone's card, let alone all 3 people who are supposed to be better than us at measuring such.

The decision should be overturned immediately. PW got his ass whipped, and it was nowhere NEAR close.
Credited. I had Lara winning 10 of 12 (I gave PW the 5th and 12th). What I can't understand about this decision, as opposed to other egregious ones like Holyfield-Lewis, is what power player or money interest would pull strings for PW to win this fight? He's clearly on the way down, while Lara is ascendant, and I can't imagine anyone paying to see Martinez take his head off.

Seriously, before I die, I will start a private boxing league and put an end to shit sh*t.
 

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Williams made more money on Saturday than Rios, Antillon, and Lara combined.

Rios is arguably the most exciting young action fighter in the sport, and a Mexican-American English speaker from a healthy boxing market (SoCal), yet HBO let him slip away after his win over Peterson last year.

Hopkins-Dawson is on PPV because HBO already blew its 2011 budget, but Williams (last weekend) and Berto (September) are both getting paydays for far less significant fights, coming off losses.

I'm not sure what their actual strategy is. Maybe there just isn't one.
 

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I know Judah is past prime and Amir Khan maybe hasn't developed the way people hope, but will this fight be interesting? Is Khan on a track to ever do anything really worthwhile?
 

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I've been looking forward to this one.

Judah-stay out of Khan's reach and try to catch him with that explosive left hand that Judah tries to lure guys into

Khan-extend the fight til the 5th or 6th before trying to turn it up. It's gonna be hard because he's young and was not happy with his last fight so he might be a little anxious but he needs to take this one into the later rounds. With his chin and Judah's punching power at 140, it's dangerous trying to exchange with him before he's gassed.
 

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I just thought this was an interesting video. It's of Bhop talking to UFC fighter Rashad Evans.
 

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I caught the Mares-Agbeko fight on DVR last night.

Possibly the most bizarre and/or incompetent performance by a referee that I've ever seen, and that includes all the awful hometown refs we've seen in Canada and the UK over the years.

In short, Mares landed at least 25 low blows during the fight. And those ~25 low blows resulted in 0 penalty points. Then in the 11th, Mares landed a shot right on Agbeko's cup in full vision of the ref, and the ref ruled it a knockdown.

Jim Grey cornered the ref for a postfight interview, showed him a slo-mo replay of the knockdown shot landing square on Agbeko's groin, and the ref still wouldn't admit it was a low blow!

This was a really interesting matchup between 2 top fighters, and instead all anyone is talking about is how the ref ruined the fight. Boxing just can't help itself sometimes.

Go to 2:25 of this video for the "knockdown":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nevnbUC6d80
 

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Golden Boy's money is that long. He denied it in SLOW motion. Amazing.
The IBF has ordered an immediate rematch. You know things are bad when a sanctioning body is serving as the voice of reason.

On another note, I'm interested to see Demetrius Andrade against Grady Brewer on FNF this week. Long-overdue step up in competition for Andrade.
 

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FNF has had some good cards these past couple of months. I also like that they bring in an active fighter as the guest color guy. good perspective.
 

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Floyd has a chip on his shoulder the size of Michigan. That argument with his dad at the end of 24/7 was brutal.
 

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Floyd has a chip on his shoulder the size of Michigan. That argument with his dad at the end of 24/7 was brutal.
The most amazing part of that whole sequence is that Uncle Roger was playing the role of peacemaker.

Onto this weekend's fight, I'm very interested to see how Berto fares coming off the big loss to Ortiz. He spent his whole career being fed overmatched opponents, and now he's fighting a guy (Zaveck) who by all accounts is a legit veteran opponent.
 

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Well, that wasn't much of a fight.

While the Wlad-Haye fight was much more boring, I at least felt that Haye could do some damage if he had just asserted himself and tried, and that helped the fight at least have some minimal level of suspense.

In this fight, while Adamek fought much more bravely and admirably than Haye did, I never once felt he had any chance whatsoever. It was just a question of how long he could stand up.

Looks like 2011 is just another year with no heavyweight drama whatsoever...
 

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Word is Cotto-Margarito II is going to be $54.95 on PPV. If so, that's even crazier than the $60-70 for Mayweather-Ortiz.

I thought this PPV had a good chance of bombing even before I saw that price.
 

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Word is Cotto-Margarito II is going to be $54.95 on PPV. If so, that's even crazier than the $60-70 for Mayweather-Ortiz.

I thought this PPV had a good chance of bombing even before I saw that price.
This goes back to my rant about sadly losing some of my passion for boxing over the past couple of years. Does anyone really want this fight? Both of these guys have way too many miles on them and while that could actually make it a fairly entertaining fight in a sloppy, slugfest-y kind of way, it's hardly a "major" fight. Neither fighter is a factor in the 147-154 pound divisions anymore. I wonder even if this is an "official" HBO PPV, or if HBO is just acting as the distributor for an Arum-produced telecast. In any case, I'd watch this fight on "free" HBO, but 55 bucks is absurd anf it's a bit sad that the fight is even happening. I just hope neither guy gets seriously hurt.
 

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In any case, I'd watch this fight on "free" HBO, but 55 bucks is absurd
Which leads me to something I've been thinking about... I think HBO needs to seriously think about cutting down on the number of boxing cards they televise. They have so many dates set aside, that there's a tremendous pressure to fill all of them, and they end up begging fighters/promoters to appear on HBO, instead of the other way around. That's how you end up with Andre Berto appearing 10 times on HBO before he ever faced an opponent with a pulse, or you end up with Gary Russell last month not even having an opponent until a week or two before his HBO fight. And they spread themselves so thin that they can't spend too much on any one show, which means they can't even make an offer for something like Cotto-Margarito II (although that might not be the best example, for the reasons you stated).

I'd rather see HBO air 8-10 cards a year that actually mean something, instead of the watered down product they've been airing for years. Boxing After Dark was once a great product, but nowadays I could do without 85% of the fights they show. I'm sure I'm not alone. Berto-Zaveck was a nice fight, but should that really be a main event? Shouldn't that fight be an undercard fight on a WCB telecast instead?

The HBO model is so broken that I think they need to start from scratch and just focus on a small amount of quality shows. Like the Showtime model, but with a bigger budget.
 

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Yet another boxing disgrace..nothing to see here
That fight was everything that's wrong with boxing in a nutshell:

- Fight had to be on PPV because HBO blew its entire 2011 budget and had no money left.

- Promoters took a fight between a Philly fighter and a New Haven fighter and put it 3,000 miles away in LA, where no one cared. Then they had to discount or just flat-out give away tickets to get people to show up.

- Chad Dawson... A fighter with all the talent in the world, but absolutely no heart and charisma.

- Bad refereeing. How was that not a foul? And Russell is normally a very good ref.

I'm sure there's more to list, but I'll just stop there.
 

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Yet another boxing disgrace..nothing to see here
Yeah, what an incredible joke. Turns out Hopkins actually was injured, so I can't really say he should have continued. And in a way it felt like a kind of poetic justice since Hopkins over the years has left no stone unturned when it comes to dirty, roughhouse tactics. I don't think that what Dawson did was exactly "dirty" and I DO think that Hopkins was leaning on him deliberately, because that's what Hopkins does and if anyone knows exactly what he's doing in the ring at all times, it's Bernard Hopkins. So it felt like the proverbial chickens coming home to roost.

Maybe it was just a freak accident, and of course, I'm not the one in the ring, but the push didn't look all that bad. If he's going to get injured tyhat easily to the point where he can't continue, maybe it is time for Hopkins to hang it up once and for all.
 

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Another HBO snoozer. You know its a bad fight when the announcers spend the entire 2nd half of the fight wondering whether the challenger's goal was to pick up a paycheck and prove that he "knows how to box."

If you're on an HBO Boxing main event, shouldn't you have already proven that you "know how to box."?
 

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I'm hopeful that tonight can be a bit of a palette cleanser for the past few months of boxing awfulness. Two really (potentially) entertaining matchups on HBO and Showtime with Angulo v. Kirkland and Bute v. Johnson. I think Angulo v. Kirkland has FotY potential, two sluggers that love to mix it up, both at somewhat of a crossroads in their respective careers. I expect Angulo to pull it out by KO in the mid-late rounds, with better technique and, more importantly, the better chin. The Bute v. Johnson fight should be a good matchup as well, and may tell us whether or not Bute is an elite fighter in the super middleweight division. Bute has shown elite skills and has destroyed some pretty decent level opponents, but Johnson may very well be one of the best "gatekeepers" to ever put on gloves. This fight may not have the excitement that most of Bute's fights have had, but I think it will at the very least be an entertaining tactical battle (or as entertaining as a tactical battle can be). I expect Bute by wide decision, but many of the rounds close enough that it's a more competitive fight than the final score shows.
 

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Great slugfest on HBO last night. After the great Round 1, Kirkland just completely took over the fight and beat the crap out of Angulo.

I couldn't have been the only one rolling my eyes when the HBO crew started saying that the fight was so good that it "should be a PPV fight." I know they weren't being 100% serious, but after all the garbage fights that HBO has slammed down its paying subscribers' throats in recent years, they shouldn't be bragging at the first sight of an entertaining brawl. That's what Boxing After Dark fights are SUPPOSED to look like, a fun fight isn't supposed to be the exception.

Johnson's performance was disappointing on Showtime. That's the first time I've ever seen him look like he's just there to get a paycheck and not make an honest attempt to win. Maybe it's time for him to hang it up.

Speaking of hanging it up, a 110% shot James Toney took a beating in Moscow against Lebedev. Really sad. Toney was a great fighter once but I wouldn't be surprised if he's got full-blown dementia in the near future.

Onto Pacquiao-Marquez III...
 

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I just hope this doesn't look like Morales' last fight vs. Manny. I'm a huge JMM fan and hope he can make it a competitive fight but I honestly feel, at 38, Manny will be just too much for him.
 

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I just hope this doesn't look like Morales' last fight vs. Manny. I'm a huge JMM fan and hope he can make it a competitive fight but I honestly feel, at 38, Manny will be just too much for him.
A repeat of Pacquiao-Morales III is definitely one of the possible scenarios.

I feel the same way as you about this fight. I'm a huge Marquez fan, and above all else, I just want him to be competitive tonight and show the mainstream audience what the boxing audience already knows... that he's a first-ballot HOFer in his own right.

I thought Marquez fought as well as he could possibly fight in the 2nd fight vs. Manny 3 years ago. Since then, Marquez (while still great) has only gotten older and a bit slower, while Manny has risen to a new level.

In other words, if you think Marquez can win tonight, you have to believe that he can fight the best fight of his life at the age of 38, and at an unnatural weight class. Not 100% impossible, but it's hard to like his chances.

At the very least, I know that as long as the fight goes, Marquez will be fighting to win. I just can't see him packing it in and quitting the way Mosley did. I don't think it's in his makeup to ever switch from trying to win to just trying not to get hurt. If Pacquiao hurts Marquez early, Marquez's instinct isn't to cover up, it's to hit Manny right back and go toe-to-toe. That instinct may get him knocked out.

I'm predicting Pacquiao TKO 11 in a reasonably competitive fight. An early KO wouldn't shock me though.
 

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A repeat of Pacquiao-Morales III is definitely one of the possible scenarios.

I feel the same way as you about this fight. I'm a huge Marquez fan, and above all else, I just want him to be competitive tonight and show the mainstream audience what the boxing audience already knows... that he's a first-ballot HOFer in his own right.

I thought Marquez fought as well as he could possibly fight in the 2nd fight vs. Manny 3 years ago. Since then, Marquez (while still great) has only gotten older and a bit slower, while Manny has risen to a new level.

In other words, if you think Marquez can win tonight, you have to believe that he can fight the best fight of his life at the age of 38, and at an unnatural weight class. Not 100% impossible, but it's hard to like his chances.

At the very least, I know that as long as the fight goes, Marquez will be fighting to win. I just can't see him packing it in and quitting the way Mosley did. I don't think it's in his makeup to ever switch from trying to win to just trying not to get hurt. If Pacquiao hurts Marquez early, Marquez's instinct isn't to cover up, it's to hit Manny right back and go toe-to-toe. That instinct may get him knocked out.

I'm predicting Pacquiao TKO 11 in a reasonably competitive fight. An early KO wouldn't shock me though.

My worry all along about this is that it won't be a competitive fight. I mean, how can a real boxing fan not love Marquez? But I worry that he's going to take a serious beating tonight. However he's done it, Manny has become bigger, faster and stronger while Marquez has just gotten older and slower and has a lot of miles on the odometer. I wouldn't be surprised to see a repeat of the Ricky Hatton fight with Marquez getting brutally KO'd fairly early. In a way, that might be the best thing for him because he does have such a tremendous fighting heart that I worry he'l just stay in there and take a bad beating.
 

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I got JMM 6 rounds to 4 going into the 11th. What a fight
I had JMM 6 to 5 thru 11. Lederman disagrees, has Manny up 7 to 4 or something. Awesome fight. Glad I went against my boycott of Pac/Floyd PPV's and ordered this one. Just been feigning for a good fight. I hope JMM gets him.
 

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Marquez kind of gave away the 12th, it probably cost him.

Tough one to judge, the majority of the rounds were close enough to go either way.
 

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Watching it live, I thought Pacquiao won a close fight, but reading Twitter it seems most writers had Marquez. I need to watch it again. I don't think Marquez went for it enough down the stretch.

Regardless, Pacquiao didn't score the dominant victory most expected
 

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A lot of the ESPN guys had it 114-114. Marquez has a right to be upset, but it was too close to be considered a bad decision.

JMM let Pacquiao steal some of the late rounds simply because Manny was more active, regardless of whether he was doing any damage.
 

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I didn't score it closely, but I thought Marquez should've won. I thought he consistently landed the more significant shots throughout the first 9 rounds. 115-113 Pacquiao is reasonable, but the 116-112 was pushing it.

The HBO guys made too much of the corner advice. The reason Marquez didn't do more in the last 3 rounds was because he was totally gassed.
 

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I don't know how any objective person could say manny would beat Floyd. Not only will he lose but it will be brutal.


Marquez won that fight easily. And hbo once again, hats off for calling phantom punches and getting on JMM for not "stepping it up". Yeah. Sure. He only landed every meaningful punch in the fight. Mr. YouTube here his ears boxed odd and you get on the master technician about action ? Lmao.
 

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Compubox is going to make me watch this fight again

Pacquiao landed 176 of 578 punches - 30 percent.
Marquez landed 138 of 436 - 32 percent

Power punches: Pacquiao 117 of 274 (43 percent) Marquez 100 of 254 (39 percent)
 

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I don't know how any objective person could say manny would beat Floyd. Not only will he lose but it will be brutal.
Styles make fights, and Marquez has a style that gives Manny fits. I wouldn't judge how a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would go based on tonight.

There are plenty of guys that Manny looked more impressive than Mayweather against, as well.