Cc @DaveRoberts'ShoesMac is hurt, not available for interviews. Back injury.
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Hopefully it’s nothing too serious.
Cc @DaveRoberts'ShoesMac is hurt, not available for interviews. Back injury.
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He got drilled pretty hard in the back on the fumble TD, and I think he got hammered pretty hard on a couple of hurries, as well. Maybe that crazy catch by Myers up the sideline.Did he take a big hit or get piled on? Don’t remember seeing anything.
he got killed on a roughing the passer penalty with a high low hit that was negated by a chop block and was visibly hobbled after itDid he take a big hit or get piled on? Don’t remember seeing anything.
I remember 2 big hits in the first half on Mac.Did he take a big hit or get piled on? Don’t remember seeing anything.
A possible un-collapsed lung? [/Felger]Looking at bruised vs. broken ribs perhaps?
That high hit should have resulted in an ejection. Dude left his feet to deliver a very late hit up high.he got killed on a roughing the passer penalty with a high low hit that was negated by a chop block and was visibly hobbled after it
This is positive news - hopefully it’s nothing beyond some big hits and they can manage the pain for the Steelers game.
His 1 INT was a clear PI on a well placed jump ball in the end zone. 1st and goal from the 1 on the first drive changes the entire tone of that game. Bummer.Back pain after a football game with negative X rays leaves:
-Subtle nondisplaced fracture (rib or spine)
-Bone contusion
-Muscle contusion/hematoma
Less likely options being:
-Kidney or spleen contusion/laceration
-Pneumothorax (prob more chest than back pain for that)
For the game itself, not Mac’s best effort but mediocre line and a bunch of #3 WR would be tough for any QB.
Interesting - I thought it was underthrown and you want to have that, for lack of better descriptors, more to the right and further upfield. Not maybe super egregious of an underthrow but I didn’t think it was well placed. Maybe I am wrong. Seemed to hang forever too.His 1 INT was a clear PI on a well placed jump ball in the end zone. 1st and goal from the 1 on the first drive changes the entire tone of that game. Bummer.
That pass hung in the air for a week and was way under thrown. It's a good Flaco special, but a poor deep ball to an open receiver. Lead Parker further to the corner of the end zone and it's a touchdown.His 1 INT was a clear PI on a well placed jump ball in the end zone. 1st and goal from the 1 on the first drive changes the entire tone of that game. Bummer.
If Parker had been (not held and) allowed to come back to the ball it's probably even more egregious PI or a catch. It may have been under thrown or it could have been what Flacco has basically gotten calls on his entire career.Interesting - I thought it was underthrown and you want to have that, for lack of better descriptors, more to the right and further upfield. Not maybe super egregious of an underthrow but I didn’t think it was well placed. Maybe I am wrong. Seemed to hang forever too.
Thought the same. Also wondered if he was intending an outside throw and missed.Interesting - I thought it was underthrown and you want to have that, for lack of better descriptors, more to the right and further upfield. Not maybe super egregious of an underthrow but I didn’t think it was well placed. Maybe I am wrong. Seemed to hang forever too.
Interesting - I thought it was underthrown and you want to have that, for lack of better descriptors, more to the right and further upfield. Not maybe super egregious of an underthrow but I didn’t think it was well placed. Maybe I am wrong. Seemed to hang forever too.
Honestly, I only watched the live and one replay they showed. It wasn't a perfect ball by any means. He had another few yards up and to the sideline for a perfect throw. But as far as a true jump ball goes, I don't think that one was horrible. Had Parker been able to actually fight for it, there's no way Howard is able to bat it up in the air like that. It probably ends up an incomplete on, which is a fine outcome when taking a shot like that into the end zone.That pass hung in the air for a week and was way under thrown. It's a good Flaco special, but a poor deep ball to an open receiver. Lead Parker further to the corner of the end zone and it's a touchdown.
My take as well. Somehow, it seemed as if the ball was taking even longer than last year to its target. I found that surprising (as well as disturbing).To my untrained eyes, his ball seemed more off today than at any time last season. Scarnecchia's Razor suggests the culprit is likely the well known
OL problems. Maybe something to do with his mechanics and hurrying? Maybe I am wrong.
Yeah, he's essentially Chad Pennington. Pretty good QB, not elite. Accurate, mediocre arm, very smart player.He was really bad yesterday I thought. Mac is a guy who needs good blocking and a good play script to succeed, he's just not an elite talent, he's an NFL QB because he's good at executing. Last year he had a good line and one of the best playcallers in the league (for all the complaining, yes Josh is a very good playcaller) yesterday we saw what happens when the line struggles and the playcalling and game plan aren't good.
You need a line and a plan. He was a middle tier QB on a 10-7 team as a rookie with those two things, even without above-average skill units. Jury is out on whether they have the OL and/or plan this year. There was drain on both of those this offseason.Yeah, he's essentially Chad Pennington. Pretty good QB, not elite. Accurate, mediocre arm, very smart player.
You can win in the NFL with guys like that but you need better than average players around him.
It was a little under thrown, but that's generally okay if your receiver is a 6'3" jump ball specialist. He couldn't go back and get it because the defender was literally pinning him down.Interesting - I thought it was underthrown and you want to have that, for lack of better descriptors, more to the right and further upfield. Not maybe super egregious of an underthrow but I didn’t think it was well placed. Maybe I am wrong. Seemed to hang forever too.
That’s funny that was my exact player comp for him last year.Yeah, he's essentially Chad Pennington. Pretty good QB, not elite. Accurate, mediocre arm, very smart player.
You can win in the NFL with guys like that but you need better than average players around him.
Honestly it's mostly line and coaching to me, the pass catchers are fine, our TEs both got open a good amount, the WRs outside Parker were okay, good offensive staffs scheme guys open, we did not seem to be doing much on that front, we seem to be running a really basic vanilla offense, and it's predictable.Yeah, he's essentially Chad Pennington. Pretty good QB, not elite. Accurate, mediocre arm, very smart player.
You can win in the NFL with guys like that but you need better than average players around him.
I mean he was 21-30 (70%) with a few bad throws and a jump ball that was clearly PI and should have led to 7. He got blindsided quickly when Henry missed an assignment. He had an average NFL game with average to below averageish skill talent around him and a poor OL play and coaching.He was really bad yesterday I thought. Mac is a guy who needs good blocking and a good play script to succeed, he's just not an elite talent, he's an NFL QB because he's good at executing. Last year he had a good line and one of the best playcallers in the league (for all the complaining, yes Josh is a very good playcaller) yesterday we saw what happens when the line struggles and the playcalling and game plan aren't good.
Also. We have been terrible @ mia for a while now. And that was even with brady at QB. Playing at MIA has been a house of horrors for a while it seems.Its interesting how this specific game is a referendum on Mac for a lot of the posters here. He was not good. But we watched some abysmal performances from all time/top QBs yesterday in week 1 working through some of the same issues the Pats are currently.
That's probably too pessimistic of a view.That’s funny that was my exact player comp for him last year.
Pretty much agree with everything you said there. He needs a strong OL, running game and receivers that can get separation. I think the Patriots have one out of those 3 things.
It’s a shame because I’m not sure that the team will be able to even make a sound evaluation of how good he Is by the time his rookie contract is up because of how badly the rest of the roster was bungled
completion percentage is a worthless stat, it's particularly a worthless stat when 7 of his 21 completions came at or behind the LOS.I mean he was 21-30 (70%) with a few bad throws and a jump ball that was clearly PI and should have led to 7. He got blindsided quickly when Henry missed an assignment. He had an average NFL game with average to below averageish skill talent around him and a poor OL play and coaching.
They've been terrible vs Miami for a while, period; 4 losses in a row, 5 out of the last 6.Also. We have been terrible @ mia for a while now. And that was even with brady at QB. Playing at MIA has been a house of horrors for a while it seems.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-career-record-at-miami
Only 1 game, but yeah I didn't see anything more on his throws, but we'll see. Might also be something that takes another year, 1 year to get in shape and start building foundations, another year to add the functional on top.For all the talk about Mac getting in shape and working with Tom House, I haven't seen much of a change in his throwing ability. Am I off here? He still looks like a college QB trying to make it in the NFL.
He was really bad yesterday I thought. Mac is a guy who needs good blocking and a good play script to succeed, he's just not an elite talent, he's an NFL QB because he's good at executing. Last year he had a good line and one of the best playcallers in the league (for all the complaining, yes Josh is a very good playcaller) yesterday we saw what happens when the line struggles and the playcalling and game plan aren't good.
In no way do I disagree, and absolutely in no way am I suggesting anything or even suggesting a career arc, but I also remember the early appraisals of Tom Brady.Yeah, he's essentially Chad Pennington. Pretty good QB, not elite. Accurate, mediocre arm, very smart player.
You can win in the NFL with guys like that but you need better than average players around him.
I was also sort of holding out hope to see a little more zip after a full offseason to work on his body and mechanics, but yeah didn't see any of that week 1. Pennington-esque soft tosses, while mainly on target.Only 1 game, but yeah I didn't see anything more on his throws, but we'll see. Might also be something that takes another year, 1 year to get in shape and start building foundations, another year to add the functional on top.
Not an expert, but one game is not enough time to judge. Of course, his throws may appear the same. Maybe they are. But I wouldn't feel comfortable judging that for a few more weeks at least. It would be like judging a pitcher's first few starts back from a shoulder issue. Or a better example, watching a few games after an NBA player tweaks his form. There's bad behavior to unlearn. Progress isn't linear, etc.I was also sort of holding out hope to see a little more zip after a full offseason to work on his body and mechanics, but yeah didn't see any of that week 1. Pennington-esque soft tosses, while mainly on target.
He has a decent enough arm to get the ball down the field on the deep ball, but not being able to throw 15-20 yard passes with the zip of the upper level QBs is concerning re: his ceiling.
As others have said, a good line and above average weapons would obviously help a ton given his overall acumen. But at the moment he has neither.
I don't see much referendum-ing here. Mostly observations. And a lot of guessing as to why it was so and how it might improve.Its interesting how this specific game is a referendum on Mac for a lot of the posters here. He was not good. But we watched some abysmal performances from all time/top QBs yesterday in week 1 working through some of the same issues the Pats are currently.
Agreed 100%, too early to tell. And not a ton of throws with time when extra zip was even required.Not an expert, but one game is not enough time to judge. Of course, his throws may appear the same. Maybe they are. But I wouldn't feel comfortable judging that for a few more weeks at least. It would be like judging a pitcher's first few starts back from a shoulder issue. Or a better example, watching a few games after an NBA player tweaks his form. There's bad behavior to unlearn. Progress isn't linear, etc.
We'll know soon enough.
Our O-line isn't that poor, it's not good, but it isn't the Giants out there, or rookie year Burrow's CIN. It's struggling, but not horrific.Seriously, though: I agree with many here that I’m not sure how much QB quality can really be assessed behind a poor OL.
Very much agree. The NFL over the last 25 years has seen so much crazy evolution in terms of continual progressive counterstrategies. A big part of what makes the game so fascinating.Our O-line isn't that poor, it's not good, but it isn't the Giants out there, or rookie year Burrow's CIN. It's struggling, but not horrific.
I do think the playcalling is a major issue, no play-action, not much in the way of pre-snap shifts/movement. Basically all the things good offensive coordinators have moved to in an effort to make things easier on their QB, line and passcatchers... all the stuff we don't do. Maybe we should have a thread on it, but peak Dynasty Patriots were innovative on offense, at the cutting edge of new ideas and strategies. A decade plus later, we look like dinosaurs.