Red Sox Rumors - Just Kidding
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Claims to be an MLB insider? Former Cubs Spanish broadcaster. Reminds me of the Senga rumors guy.
I really love Raffy and I want him to be on the Sox for the next decade. But no way I'd pay him $350M to be a DH in a few years.
He won’t accept. Why would he? He can likely get just as much on the open market and this Red Sox team isn’t very good.
Yep, Jackie Bradley and his defense was better then Hunter Renfrow. How did that defense work out over Hunter's 30 bombs and 90 plus Rbi?
Yes. Clutch. He will get over 300 million. If not Red Sox than maybe Yankees.
Just a reminder (from mlb.com) of the next free agent class for shorts and third basemen
Third base: Matt Chapman, Rafael Devers, Josh Donaldson (mutual option), Eduardo Escobar (club option), Manny Machado (opt-out), Gio Urshela, Joey Wendle
Shortstop: Tim Anderson (club option), Brandon Crawford, Paul DeJong (club option), Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Adalberto Mondesi, Miguel Rojas, Amed Rosario
Third base: Matt Chapman, Rafael Devers, Josh Donaldson (mutual option), Eduardo Escobar (club option), Manny Machado (opt-out), Gio Urshela, Joey Wendle
Shortstop: Tim Anderson (club option), Brandon Crawford, Paul DeJong (club option), Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Adalberto Mondesi, Miguel Rojas, Amed Rosario
The two biggest free agents next year are Ohanti and Devers. If Bogaerts got a 11 year deal, what you think these 2 get? Pay up folks.
im heavily skeptical of defensive statistics…. And the actual difference between the best and worst players at their positions is likely so minimal to the final standings. They need to be considered but I’ll take a Schwarber in Fenway RF over JBJ ‘22 any day.
The difference in range is likely to come into play maybe twice in a game and likelihood thatthat difference has an impact on a games outcome is minimal. The difference in their offensive potential impacting a game is way higher.
At this point who is not sick and tired of hearing another Sox have interest in signing .... story. All I see are empty suits mouthing what fans hope to see occur and nothing happening. So much for being 120 million under the cap. Exactly what will that get Boston add year. Where are our two number two starters we heard about, where is our shortstop, the top priority to sign, and who is playing right field? What a steaming pile of excrement this year is going to be. They should just come out and say we are signing whoever is left after everyone else gets anyone who can remotely help us this year, we don't care if we finish in last place. We promise to add another high draft pick our fans can get excited about possibly seeing in three to five years and we will have a ton of financial flexibility for next year when our toxic style keeps our team so unlikeable no top player wants to play here unless we pay them 50 percent more than they can get elsewhere, just like Yoshida.
Frankly, I have to question Sox fans who continue to pay top prices in baseball for the product we are very likely to see this year. Write it down and book it, barring a plane crash involving any of the Sox competition this will be three out of four last place finishes under Chaim. The only way to force change is to not go to games, not watch games so NESN ratings plummet and to turn the "Golden Goose" that is the Boston Red Sox into a toad. Maybe then things will change for the better. Just asking for the future when was the last time the Sox finished in last place three out if four years?
Frankly, I have to question Sox fans who continue to pay top prices in baseball for the product we are very likely to see this year. Write it down and book it, barring a plane crash involving any of the Sox competition this will be three out of four last place finishes under Chaim. The only way to force change is to not go to games, not watch games so NESN ratings plummet and to turn the "Golden Goose" that is the Boston Red Sox into a toad. Maybe then things will change for the better. Just asking for the future when was the last time the Sox finished in last place three out if four years?
They better because the reason why they traded Mookie Betts was payroll flexibility. Well, Betts gone,Xander gone. There is no way they get a third strike with Devers. Devers is only just turning 26 and will become the richest Red Sox in history. If not the Yankees, Mets,Dodgers or Padres will sign him. We shall see.
Get it done Bloom.
We're all concerning ourselves at the $35 mil a year number in today's dollars. Fast forward 5 free agent cycles and it's highly unlikely that salaries will suddenly start decreasing. Inflation and the economics of baseball are more likely to make it so that $35 mil becomes increasingly normal by the end of a 10 year deal.
Yes, I think Machado may still be better, but if the Sox signed him, I think that might do it for my fandom. On the other hand, I am probably the only person on earth worried about how Devers will age. He has such a tendency to put on fat, that I can see that getting worse as he ages. He is a wonderful hitter now, of course, but he needs to be in a lineup where they can't risk walking him.
You definitely aren't the only one. Miguel Cabrera was an amazing hitter, until he pretty much fell off a cliff at age 33. And as much as I love Raffy, he isn't the hitter that Miggy was.
Everything I hear Bloom say leads me to believe they are moving toward the ATL model. They value and pay players in their pre-arb through prime years. The difference is that Dombrowski cleaned out the farm system while ATL was stacked. ATL hasn't coughed up many contracts for their stars whose new contracts would cover many post-prime years. If you have a farm system in place that can draft and develop the talent you are set. Feels like Bloom is trying to field what looks like a "competitive team" until the farm is ready. This might be a rough 2 or 3 years if this is the plan.
The moment the Sox sign anyone you a rich long term deal, I will worry that that player will fall off a cliff. But if they extend Devers now to a ten year contract, that takes him from age 26 through age 35. If he produces at a high level through age 33 and then the last two years he’s below replacement level, I think you still sign that contract if you’re the Sox.
Please tell me which of the "cleaned out" prospects Dombrowski should have locked up. Dombrowski did leave the cupboards pretty bare of quality miL talent. He often traded quantity for the players he sought but he didn't really move many players who would have been worth the long term lock up that you seek. IMO, his biggest sin regarding the farm was not bringing back any real prospect capital and less than stellar drafting.
The poor drafting started before DD, Cherington’s last few drafts were abysmal. Sox drafts in general haven’t bene great since the new rules were instated after ‘11.
If you are a young position player it is insane to do anything other than hit free agency as soon as possible.
The Braves deals and several others are quickly going to look like deals from an entirely different era.
Whatever the Red Sox offer Devers now it's never coming off the table. Worst case scenario is he says "thanks", tests the market, and accepts it next November. The most likely scenario that we've seen all over is someone else offers him more. And that increases his leverage even if he wants back to Boston. The Yankees offered Judge 7/213 last offseason and he got 9/360.
I think the calculus is different for young pitchers who are more likely to get hurt. But say Devers tears his ACL this spring and sits the season. He's still likely getting paid at nearly the same levels as if he had a healthy season. And worst case he accepts a 1 year 40 million dollar pillow deal from someone.
The Braves deals and several others are quickly going to look like deals from an entirely different era.
Whatever the Red Sox offer Devers now it's never coming off the table. Worst case scenario is he says "thanks", tests the market, and accepts it next November. The most likely scenario that we've seen all over is someone else offers him more. And that increases his leverage even if he wants back to Boston. The Yankees offered Judge 7/213 last offseason and he got 9/360.
I think the calculus is different for young pitchers who are more likely to get hurt. But say Devers tears his ACL this spring and sits the season. He's still likely getting paid at nearly the same levels as if he had a healthy season. And worst case he accepts a 1 year 40 million dollar pillow deal from someone.
Judge had one of the greatest offensive seasons in history. I'm taking the under on Devers matching that.
This is the point. If the Red Sox are trying to emulate the Braves approach, they're already starting too late. As this offseason shows, the offseason "game" is evolving on the fly, so by the time the Red Sox have 4-5 players worthy of Braves-like deals players, agents and advisors are going to look at the landscape as a whole before signing away the next five years
I hope that this is the way Bloom is building this team and we will see if that is the case with Bello and Casas this year/next offseason. If those guys come up and make immediate contributions and Bloom doesn't try to sign them to extensions after next season or during this season, then I will have some serious concerns about his approach. It seems like Bloom sees the young core that won us the 2018 WS as the team of the past, and Casas/Bello/Whitlock/Houck/Mayer as the core of the next contending team with some guys supplemented in FA, maybe a big deal for someone like Soto or Ohtani.
There is a chance that Casas isn't a foundational lineup piece but we won't really know until he gets playing time. Next season we will see if Casas can replace Devers offensive production at 1B and if Whitlock/Houck/Bello/Sale/Pivetta is a viable rotation for the next few years. Maybe Mata and Walters can be back end starters or productive bullpen guys.
He doesn't have to for contract purposes, given he's about 4.5 years younger.
According to Pete Abraham, when Devers gets traded (Ed.: looking increasingly likely), the Sox will have no position players on the roster from the 2018 squad.
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Serious question, is Boston alone in this type of thing? I feel like many MLB rosters have turned over significantly since 2018. Isn't it the nature of the business these days?
I have to believe there are many other teams like this, but that most are smaller markets. Big market clubs typically pay their good players to stay. At least some of them.
Not saying that any prospect developed into being worthy of signing long-term. Just that the overall prospect pool was quite empty, as evidenced by the sox farm ranking. I agree with you that drafting was less than stellar. Perhaps what we are seeing now is just having no plan and poor talent evaluation, I hope not though. Cheers
I really wish we all knew that answer. Seems like something that should have been done regardless of the approach the FO was going to take.
If Devers isn’t traded, he’s a great DH and to shift around the IF other than SS to give Devers, etc… a break and keep their bat in the lineup. It’s why JDM isn’t a good fit anymore