That can't be possible ... we were assured just last night that they had a trade partner lined up! It's as though every team in baseball knew that he was GSC with the Red Sox and that they'd eventually have to release him.
Well, almost every team
That can't be possible ... we were assured just last night that they had a trade partner lined up! It's as though every team in baseball knew that he was GSC with the Red Sox and that they'd eventually have to release him.
Hosmer's ops+ last year was 108. Dalbec's was 80.It's really not. He's another LHB on a team that already has too many, with no positional role, and no he wasn't the 3rd or 4th best hitter team. He had a lower ops+ than Dalbec last year. That is not good.
That makes sense, Mills does have an option left so I guess he's just depth.I’d expect Taylor to make the team if healthy, probably at the expense of Mills? Hard to imagine them carrying only one lefty.
I think Mills was a constructive pickup as opposed to a roster churn guy (McGee, Reed, Garza Jr.) they’ll try to slip through waivers. They didn’t have to give up Wallace for him, and Wallace was somewhere around the team’s 25th- to 30th-ranked prospect.I’d expect Taylor to make the team if healthy, probably at the expense of Mills? Hard to imagine them carrying only one lefty.
Ah, sure - sorry, misread “at the expense of” like you meant the 40, not the 26.Mills has an option, though, which I think makes him more likely to start the season in Worcester than Boston. Imagine he could be one of the first ones up once a RH reliever is hurt / ineffective.
This is the weird thing to me, too. The team makes more sense with a RH DH, but shouldn't they wait until they, y'know, actually acquire a RH DH before they dump Hosmer? Similarly (but less importantly), dumping Hoy Park was odd without adding another utility IF (or a starting IF that would push Arroyo to the bench). It's like Chaim hasn't learned his lesson from trading Renfroe without replacing him. I'm sure they plan to make some adds, but plans don't always work out and plan B is gone.So who do we got lined up as a better DH? Hosmer’s projected slash line is considerably higher than what Trey Mancini put up the past two years. It’s better than Wil Myers. J.D. Martinez is a likely better bet if his September rebound is real, but he’s likely moving on.
I think this is what is causing so much angst in these threads ... that the moves being made seem to leave even more holes and more questions than existed before. Everyone knows that many more moves are to be made before the season starts, but the 40-man being full makes every incremental decision magnified.This is the weird thing to me, too. The team makes more sense with a RH DH, but shouldn't they wait until they, y'know, actually acquire a RH DH before they dump Hosmer? Similarly (but less importantly), dumping Hoy Park was odd without adding another utility IF (or a starting IF that would push Arroyo to the bench). It's like Chaim hasn't learned his lesson from trading Renfroe without replacing him. I'm sure they plan to make some adds, but plans don't always work out and plan B is gone.
I think a big part of the problem is the bolded and people reacting to evidence they think they have but don't. I have been puzzled but by the new year they could sign Swanson, Turner, Conforto, Kluber and make a trade for a SP and things suddenly look much different. Do I expect it? No but I also expect them to spend to the tax (and perhaps beyond) by opening day. We can discuss what the roster will/should/could look like in all these threads and that would be fun but to have every one riddled with whine and "they're cheap with no plan" narratives should be below this place. How about some positives, I think the pen should be much improved and their are still paths to a pretty competitive roster.I think this is what is causing so much angst in these threads ... that the moves being made seem to leave even more holes and more questions than existed before. Everyone knows that many more moves are to be made before the season starts, but the 40-man being full makes every incremental decision magnified.
The roster crunch would seem to indicate trades where the Sox give up more players than they get in return, but those options haven't made themselves apparent. On one hand, it's good that they're playing their cards close to the vest. On the other, all we as fans can do is react to available evidence.
And create four new threads about the four players who get DFA'd as a result? I'm not sure the server can withstand itI have been puzzled but by the new year they could sign Swanson, Turner, Conforto, Kluber ...
Why should they wait to drop Hosmer if they had no intention of bringing him to spring training? Now they have a bullpen option with an option instead of a weak hitting LHH 1B only player. The (apparent) fact that they found no trade interest for him, making league minimum, says a lot. There's really not a lot of risk getting rid of Hosmer now, especially if the intention is to get a RHH DH who can play some 1B. If that's the case, Hosmer was gone regardless. And I'm not worried about their ability to find a player comparable to Hoy Park to be their utility IF. I think it's easier for people if the Sox made moves in a certain order, but the order doesn't really matter in the end. Hosmer was never going to be part of the '23 plan and Hoy Park is fungible. The Sox will continue to make moves to fill in these gaps.This is the weird thing to me, too. The team makes more sense with a RH DH, but shouldn't they wait until they, y'know, actually acquire a RH DH before they dump Hosmer? Similarly (but less importantly), dumping Hoy Park was odd without adding another utility IF (or a starting IF that would push Arroyo to the bench). It's like Chaim hasn't learned his lesson from trading Renfroe without replacing him. I'm sure they plan to make some adds, but plans don't always work out and plan B is gone.
This is my biggest concern here. I'm not ready to divorce myself from this FO just yet, but looking back to the Renfroe trade I can convince myself that at least Chaim had plan B in place. If Cotillo's Tweet is accurate I'd rather they held onto Hosmer until there was a better option on board.This is the weird thing to me, too. The team makes more sense with a RH DH, but shouldn't they wait until they, y'know, actually acquire a RH DH before they dump Hosmer? Similarly (but less importantly), dumping Hoy Park was odd without adding another utility IF (or a starting IF that would push Arroyo to the bench). It's like Chaim hasn't learned his lesson from trading Renfroe without replacing him. I'm sure they plan to make some adds, but plans don't always work out and plan B is gone.
I get the idea that they have no intention of bringing Hosmer to spring training, but intentions aren't realities. Maybe I'm just gunshy because I heard last offseason that trading Renfroe for JBJ was fine because they were going to add another OF by opening day and JBJ wasn't really going to start. It never materialized, and the OF was a disaster all season. If it's that easy to find a righty DH, maybe they should find a righty DH and then cut Hosmer. Or if they're going to be waiting out the market and fishing for what they can find in the spring, maybe they should make sure they don't leave themselves empty-handed?Why should they wait to drop Hosmer if they had no intention of bringing him to spring training? Now they have a bullpen option with an option instead of a weak hitting LHH 1B only player. The (apparent) fact that they found no trade interest for him, making league minimum, says a lot. There's really not a lot of risk getting rid of Hosmer now, especially if the intention is to get a RHH DH who can play some 1B. If that's the case, Hosmer was gone regardless. And I'm not worried about their ability to find a player comparable to Hoy Park to be their utility IF. I think it's easier for people if the Sox made moves in a certain order, but the order doesn't really matter in the end. Hosmer was never going to be part of the '23 plan and Hoy Park is fungible. The Sox will continue to make moves to fill in these gaps.
I guess it all depends on how you view Hosmer. I don't think his bat is worth keeping around, especially since he can't play anywhere but 1B where the Sox have a young LHH prospect who needs to get as many AB's as possible at the MLB level. So, if we're just talking DH at bats for Hosmer, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to find a bat that's RH and can provide more production than what Hosmer offers (esp in the power department). Guys like JDM, Drury, Myers, Mancini, Turner are free agents just off the top of my head that are likely to be better fits for the team and that's not even including the trade market.I get the idea that they have no intention of bringing Hosmer to spring training, but intentions aren't realities. Maybe I'm just gunshy because I heard last offseason that trading Renfroe for JBJ was fine because they were going to add another OF by opening day and JBJ wasn't really going to start. It never materialized, and the OF was a disaster all season. If it's that easy to find a righty DH, maybe they should find a righty DH and then cut Hosmer. Or if they're going to be waiting out the market and fishing for what they can find in the spring, maybe they should make sure they don't leave themselves empty-handed?
Can JDM play anything other than DH at this point? I dont see a huge drop off offensively either, Hosmer still bats around 270, dozen dongs and financially costs a lot less than any of those names. The way Bloom is looking to cut costs he seemed like a decent option to keep around if they‘re staying under the luxury. However now it appears they wont even get close to it so…..I guess it all depends on how you view Hosmer. I don't think his bat is worth keeping around, especially since he can't play anywhere but 1B where the Sox have a young LHH prospect who needs to get as many AB's as possible at the MLB level. So, if we're just talking DH at bats for Hosmer, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to find a bat that's RH and can provide more production than what Hosmer offers (esp in the power department). Guys like JDM, Drury, Myers, Mancini, Turner are free agents just off the top of my head that are likely to be better fits for the team and that's not even including the trade market.
The reason they couldn't find a RHH DH and then cut Hosmer is because the team had the opportunity to get a reliever with an option that they liked and they needed a roster spot for him. Since Hosmer wasn't part of the '23 plan, he was the guy to go. If they sign a RHH DH, they'll have to make another move and maybe it's someone like Ort that is gone. And that's basically Mills for Ort and RHH DH for Hosmer. Same thing, just a different order. Now, if they go into the season without getting that RHH DH, sure, I'll understand the frustration. I just think it's premature right now.
It's been covered in here plenty. Groome was behind the other SP's in the system and the team had a 40 man roster crunch. He was likely going to be lost this offseason anyway and isn't ready to pitch in the majors. His stuff isn't what it was before TJ. Hosmer was brought in to try to give them average production at 1B (something they weren't getting) with next to no financial commitment. The deadline deals were weird, I agree, but they decided to move on from Groome to get a guy who could try to help them make a playoff push. Didn't work and there's nothing we can do about that now.What was the point of even aquiring him then? The deadline deals werent obviously enough to move the needle. Should have just kept Groome for a longer look.
LOL, nope. I would've given him the 1/10 and hope the bat bounces back, but back to the drawing board.Well they can’t sign JD now.
He didn't give up a top 20 prospect to get hosmer. They traded a guy that would need to be added to the 40 for two prospects that didn't plus hosmer.Can JDM play anything other than DH at this point? I dont see a huge drop off offensively either, Hosmer still bats around 270, dozen dongs and financially costs a lot less than any of those names. The way Bloom is looking to cut costs he seemed like a decent option to keep around if they‘re staying under the luxury. However now it appears they wont even get close to it so…..
What does it say about Bloom though if he was the only one that had interest in Hosmer(when he was injured no less)? He actually gave up a top 20 prospect to get him.
I'd be happy — eager, even — to bring in a bigger bat to help out at DH, but with present personnel I don't think I would prefer Hosmer at DH over a platoon of our bench guys.The thing that makes the Hosmer cut so strange is that sitting here today, he was probably our starting DH, and insurance if Casas struggles. In addition, his batted ball profile and new shift rules coming up was likely to help him. I’m not opposed to dropping him, he is not in our long term plan, but my preference would have been after we signed a DH. If we close the deal with Turner, I’ll feel better. The other possibility is that the Sox front office feels really good about Valdez being able to handle the DH role in 2023.
Why is Enmanuel Valdez's ZIPS projection so...good? That system has him slated for a .246/.309/.437 line next year, good for a .323 wOBA (albeit in 126 projected PAs). Among 24-year-olds without a major-league at-bat, that's really pretty solid.Valdez played in the PCL. The PCL, as a whole, had it's largest offensive season in history. Sure, Enmanuel slashed .296/.347/560 but that was only 18% above average. wRC+ 118.
His AA stats were massively bouyed by a .438 BABIP.
When he came to Worcester (a more neutral park & environment), he hit .237/.309/.422 in 195 PAs. Baseball Prospectus doesn't even mention him on their 20-prospect-deep list.
Things to like:
2021: 26 HR in 91 gms between A & AA.
2022: 28 HR in 126 gms between AA & AAA.
I still like him and he's interesting, but the Red Sox should not be going into camp thinking he's the DHvR.
Ah whoops, thanks, thought the FanGraphs WAR depth charts were fixed to ZIPS not Steamer for some reason.That's Steamer. Zips is here (but it's pretty similar). 97 OPS+ projection which is a tad below an avg mlb'er.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-zips-projections-boston-red-sox/
This is not aging well. I don't think they're spending this year until the trade deadline in the 1/10 chance the team is competitiveI think a big part of the problem is the bolded and people reacting to evidence they think they have but don't. I have been puzzled but by the new year they could sign Swanson, Turner, Conforto, Kluber and make a trade for a SP and things suddenly look much different. Do I expect it? No but I also expect them to spend to the tax (and perhaps beyond) by opening day. We can discuss what the roster will/should/could look like in all these threads and that would be fun but to have every one riddled with whine and "they're cheap with no plan" narratives should be below this place. How about some positives, I think the pen should be much improved and their are still paths to a pretty competitive roster.
But still you’d need another spot now, right? Unless you mean Mills?This is the guy who should have been gone to protect Thad Ward.
But we were assured they would trade him
I really liked Gittens and think he could have blossomed in the right situation but he’s playing in Japan now, so unlikely he’ll be hitting any MLB HRs this year.Something is wrong with their steamer projections. It's near impossible to find a rookie who doesn't have a wRC+ of 100 or more. Really weird.
Chris Gittens is projected to hit 30 HRs!
He was such a valuable asset, and necessary insurance for Casas! In the end, he was worthless and a temporary waste of a roster spot. Oh well, live and learn.But we were assured they would trade him
A lot of us (or at least me) who said that were operating under the assumption that both Cots and SportTrac had it right and that Hosmer counted against our AAV number (for what it's worth, he's still listed as part of our AAV budget on SportTrac), as they're generally reliable sources. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/?ref=trending-pagesBut we were assured they would trade him
According to chapter 2022 from the Book of Bloom, Triston Casas was simultaneously an infallible fall-back plan in case Bobby Dalbec inhibited Boston’s offense by hitting like, well, Bobby Dalbec and a bright-eyed neophyte in such dire need of proven veteran winnernicity that it was necessary and proper for the Red Sox to surrender Jay Groome for Eric Hosmer and his resulting full no-trade clause. It turns out that Triston Casas was Schrödinger's bat.He was such a valuable asset, and necessary insurance for Casas! In the end, he was worthless and a temporary waste of a roster spot. Oh well, live and learn.