2023 MLB Draft
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There is a Russian girl (Andreeva) in the fourth round at Wimbledon who was born in April 2007.
I guess they have an agreement on how much they're paying NAZZAN.
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Day 2 of the draft kicks off at 2 PM. Rounds 3 - 10 taking place, the Red Sox will have 10 picks including two compensation picks (132, 133).
We'll see if it continues today but 3+ drafts in it's hard not to like Chaim's strategy—and the fact that there clearly is a strategy in the first place. Teel looks like an outlier (i.e. not a high school MIF) but it's an obvious pick given his slide and while he is NCAA, he fits a lot of the profile they have gone for. Up the middle guys with good hit tool, good athletes, positional flexibility. Zanetello fits the mold as well.
Spend the money on bats and offensive upside, then take a shotgun approach for easy sign college pitchers who can move quickly through the system and surprise if they can add some velo, unlock a new pitch, etc. Simultaneously, shotgun approach the IFA market and grab your raw upside pitchers there in bulk for less than the slot value of a 10th round pick. If even one or two of the college cheap sign guys hits more than expected, that's some insane value especially if the savings lets you go for more Roman Anthonys. A few of these guys look interesting right now (Rogers, Isaac Coffey) so we'll see.
I don't know enough to know if/what the strategy may have been in the mid-2010s but we really did not get enough out of those drafts in a way that could have helped ease the post-2018 landing a bit. Maybe it was just a matter of picking the wrong guys, maybe it's just random (it is a small sample after all), or maybe we're overrating the current crop of prospects. I don't fault any of those Sox teams for not having a Mayer fall in their laps at 4, but I also don't get the feeling this group would make a Trey Ball-level mistake. Get the hit tool now, develop the stuff that's easier to develop than a hit tool, and avoid all the business that comes with young pitchers, whether it's injury, injury, injury, control issues, injury, or just plain ineffectiveness.
The system is having a great season so maybe there is some recency bias in play but I continue to be on board for this approach.
Spend the money on bats and offensive upside, then take a shotgun approach for easy sign college pitchers who can move quickly through the system and surprise if they can add some velo, unlock a new pitch, etc. Simultaneously, shotgun approach the IFA market and grab your raw upside pitchers there in bulk for less than the slot value of a 10th round pick. If even one or two of the college cheap sign guys hits more than expected, that's some insane value especially if the savings lets you go for more Roman Anthonys. A few of these guys look interesting right now (Rogers, Isaac Coffey) so we'll see.
I don't know enough to know if/what the strategy may have been in the mid-2010s but we really did not get enough out of those drafts in a way that could have helped ease the post-2018 landing a bit. Maybe it was just a matter of picking the wrong guys, maybe it's just random (it is a small sample after all), or maybe we're overrating the current crop of prospects. I don't fault any of those Sox teams for not having a Mayer fall in their laps at 4, but I also don't get the feeling this group would make a Trey Ball-level mistake. Get the hit tool now, develop the stuff that's easier to develop than a hit tool, and avoid all the business that comes with young pitchers, whether it's injury, injury, injury, control issues, injury, or just plain ineffectiveness.
The system is having a great season so maybe there is some recency bias in play but I continue to be on board for this approach.
Who had four doubles in a game once, and not for the Browns or the White Sox.
Worked out great for me. Right after the Sox picked at #14, I went over to the LV Summer League just in time to see my son's friend check into the game and get dunked over by Wemby. Not dunked on, dunked over.......
Starts back up at 5 today.
Red Sox among the winners yesterday according to Clegg.
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Red Sox among the winners yesterday according to Clegg.
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Oops, my bad. Apparently I get a bit aggressive translating my Pacific Time off of things.
Rounds 3-10 start at 2 pm eastern today.
Rounds 11-20 start at 2 pm eastern tomorrow.
With the news that Palindrome was talking to the Nationals as well, he’ll probably be an over slot signing. We’ll most likely see the Sox save some money in a few of these picks today. Similar to last year when Boston went over slot for Anthony and then under slot on Rogers and Meidroth, they then drafted 3 seniors at 7, 8, and 10.
I’m not sure they’ll have to go as heavy of a senior route as much unless they take another big swing at a player in today’s picks.
I’m not sure they’ll have to go as heavy of a senior route as much unless they take another big swing at a player in today’s picks.
And joins Bob Zupcic, Bob Montgomery, John Hannah, et al. on the list of Palindromic Boston athletes.
MLB.com scout:
Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 45 | Arm: 60 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45
Jay Austin went in the second round of the 2008 Draft to the Astros, and 15 years later, Anderson could match him as the highest pick in North Atlanta (Ga.) HS history. He has a chance to hit for power and average, though his future defensive home remains in question. The consensus is that his offensive prowess alone will get him drafted high enough to divert him from a commitment to Georgia Tech.
Scouts prefer the switch-hitting Anderson's left-handed swing because he turns it loose more often than his right-handed stroke. He has a balanced approach, shows the ability to make adjustments and can handle breaking balls. With his bat speed and projected strength gains, he should develop at least 20-homer power.
Anderson is a fringy runner and lacks the twitchy athleticism to remain at shortstop, his high school position. The best-case scenario is that he becomes an offensive second baseman, though he may not have enough quickness to play up the middle. He does have a strong arm that has clocked fastballs up to 91 mph on the mound, so third base is his likely destination.
Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 45 | Arm: 60 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45
Jay Austin went in the second round of the 2008 Draft to the Astros, and 15 years later, Anderson could match him as the highest pick in North Atlanta (Ga.) HS history. He has a chance to hit for power and average, though his future defensive home remains in question. The consensus is that his offensive prowess alone will get him drafted high enough to divert him from a commitment to Georgia Tech.
Scouts prefer the switch-hitting Anderson's left-handed swing because he turns it loose more often than his right-handed stroke. He has a balanced approach, shows the ability to make adjustments and can handle breaking balls. With his bat speed and projected strength gains, he should develop at least 20-homer power.
Anderson is a fringy runner and lacks the twitchy athleticism to remain at shortstop, his high school position. The best-case scenario is that he becomes an offensive second baseman, though he may not have enough quickness to play up the middle. He does have a strong arm that has clocked fastballs up to 91 mph on the mound, so third base is his likely destination.
Above slot too. Shows you what I know, I predicted the absolutely polar opposite outcome as to what their strategy was going to be
Doesn't look that fluid athletically. Maybe it's just the way he runs? Swing looks pretty solid from the left. Seems like a fine pick.
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Anderson was in several best players left on day 2. Lots of high praise for his bat.
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He's young for his class too. Another exciting pick and I continue to love the approach. Was just looking back at some draft histories and can only imagine what Chaim and co. would think about a year like 2012 when we went over slot for glove first Deven Marrero, spent $1mil+ each on Brian Johnson and Pat Light, and blew out the rest of our bonus pool going way over for high school pitcher Ty Buttrey.
Sox will have 3 picks in pretty quick succession coming up.
Sox will have 3 picks in pretty quick succession coming up.
Yeah he had an ERA of over 4 playing in the MAAC. Minor league roster filler type pick.
There's often more to these drastically underslot picks than initially meets the eye the last couple years.
Why not pick the under slot guy in your third pick in a short time and not the first? Do they think their other two preferred choices won’t be picked in between?
I apologize for a dumb question... what does below slot mean? Picking a player who isn't slated to go as high as picked? Thank you.
MLB instituted a draft pool or amount of money that a team can spend on the draft. The first ten rounds all have slotted/recommended amounts to get you to your pool total. Players sign for over slot, full slot, or under slot.
if you sign a player for under slot, you are saving money from the recommended amount to use on other picks that are over slot or outside the top ten rounds.
if you sign a player for under slot, you are saving money from the recommended amount to use on other picks that are over slot or outside the top ten rounds.
A player who is willing to sign for below the contract value of the spot he's picked in.
There is incremental savings in taking a lower bonus guy at the higher slot, no?
Each draft slot is assigned a bonus value. A below slot pick is someone expected to sign for less than that assigned value, freeing up money for the team to spend elsewhere.
They get a certain amount of $$ to spend based on the picks they have. The Duffy pick was "worth" 580K. But if they sign him for 200K, that's 380K they can spend on someone who wants a little more than their draft slot allotment. There is already speculation that Antonio Anderson, their 3rd round pick, will require a little more than the 847K slotted for the 83rd pick.
Generally it is used for signing purposes. Each team gets assigned a certain amount of money to spend based off of the draft slots they have. If they go over that, they incur penalties, so drafting a guy like Duffy, he will (hopefully) sign for well under the slot that a normal slot 4th round pick would sign for, allowing them to go "above slot" in other rounds (which they kind of did in round 3).
Also that he throws strikes which, if you're going after a not studly prospect, is a pretty good base to build on.
They also already went slightly above in round 1 and 3, too, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a few below slot picks here.
I'm guessing he'll get more like the Hoppe $32,500 deal. Although the Isaac Coffey $7,500 deal would be nice.
I thought you meant Homer Bailey at first and nearly had a panic attack. Then again it's really only a few years before the players in my age cohort start seeing their kids drafted. Bleak.