Well, he certainly had Diamond Hands.And "Stonks" is Steals + Bonks (personal fouls). Surely Marcus Smart leads the league in Stonks, at least over the last N years.
Well, he certainly had Diamond Hands.And "Stonks" is Steals + Bonks (personal fouls). Surely Marcus Smart leads the league in Stonks, at least over the last N years.
It's also the fact that there are several other deserving guards who are really goodDraymond started making all-star teams after GS won their first title, and he was a nightly triple double threat during his string of 3 straight from 2016-2018, averaging 12/8/7, and 3 stocks per game. The points are obviously nothing to write home about, but in combination with everything else, he had several years of fairly impressive numbers (especially the assists for a big man). White has him beat in scoring, but 16/4/5 with 2.2 stocks, even with super high efficiency and all-nba level defense, isn't going to get anyone to the all-star game.
You mean the A C Green trophy? It hasn’t been awarded recently because most players won’t admit to the celibacy requirement.Agreed on all counts. Most of what White contributes, in switching and recognition, ball decisionmaking, shot and drive deterrence, etc isn't measured very well (except for the chasedown blocks). Someday we will have the stats sufficient to prove that he's an all star level player, but we don't today.
Wish they had an Availability Award though.
White over Dame, Jrue and Trae easily.It's also the fact that there are several other deserving guards who are really good
Haliburton, Dame, Maxey, Brunson, Mitchell, Jrue, Trae...
It's gaining momentumI have an irrational need for DWhite to make the All Star team.
Wild how high they sold on Marcus, and how much better his replacements are.Moving Marcus and giving the keys to DW was unquestionably a game changer. He’s morphing into Joe Dumars circa 1990.
Still very very doubtful. The east is stacked with guards who are putting up numbersIt's gaining momentum
I don't think he'll make it, but I do think he's a better/more valuable player than some of those guys.Still very very doubtful. The east is stacked with guards who are putting up numbers
You're right, it's a popularity contest and ESPN leaving him off their TOP100 NBA players list tells you everything you need to know about NBA media intelligentsiaStill very very doubtful. The east is stacked with guards who are putting up numbers
Explain why Jaylen Brown didn’t deserve All-NBA last season. He had a really strong year and the award itself is for season’s accomplishments, not pedigree players that play in only half the team’s games.I hope he doesn't get it, so we're more likely to be able to sign him to a reasonable, upper middle class extension. He's going to be on $19.5 next year and I'm hoping to keep him beyond that for not much more.
Same reason I was rooting against the Jaylen All-NBA campaign last year. Which, frankly, he didn't deserve in the end. I bet he'd have taken a 30% max deal instead of the 35% one, if he wasn't eligible for the latter.
Aren't Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield getting more than that? White is closing in on max territory.I hope he doesn't get it, so we're more likely to be able to sign him to a reasonable, upper middle class extension. He's going to be on $19.5 next year and I'm hoping to keep him beyond that for not much more.
Same reason I was rooting against the Jaylen All-NBA campaign last year. Which, frankly, he didn't deserve in the end. I bet he'd have taken a 30% max deal instead of the 35% one, if he wasn't eligible for the latter.
Show me your favorite advanced value metric and where Jaylen ranks in it among forwards. I'm willing to bet it's not top-6 in the league, which is what All-NBA is supposed to capture.Explain why Jaylen Brown didn’t deserve All-NBA last season. He had a really strong year and the award itself is for season’s accomplishments, not pedigree players that play in only half the team’s games.
All NBA was position less last season, which indeed helped. And which players that didn’t make it should have been named instead? And voters did weigh games played last season, as they were encouraged to do so by the league. There is now a minimum games played requirement.Show me your favorite advanced value metric and where Jaylen ranks in it among forwards. I'm willing to bet it's not top-6 in the league, which is what All-NBA is supposed to capture.
I don't think he was very far off from an All-NBA grade season, but I think it was a weird combination of circumstances that led writers to put him top-6 (indeed, top-4) last year. "Very strong season" isn't the standard, this is a stack-ranking thing.
Bruce Brown got 2/45, but the only reason that his AAV is that high is because it's such a short term deal. It wasn't that long ago but I seem to remember most being surprised by how much he got, tempered by the length of the contract. Hield basically got a slightly bigger deal than White (4/86 vs 4/73), and he'll be a FA this summer. It will be instructive to see what he gets, but I think the only way we get White back at less than $30M annually is if he grants a pretty sweet discount.Aren't Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield getting more than that? White is closing in on max territory.
I think this is a case where you need to show your work and tell us who should have made it to the team instead of him. I would bet that when you actually do that exercise, you will come to the conclusion that he was definitely worthy of a spot last year.Show me your favorite advanced value metric and where Jaylen ranks in it among forwards. I'm willing to bet it's not top-6 in the league, which is what All-NBA is supposed to capture.
I don't think he was very far off from an All-NBA grade season, but I think it was a weird combination of circumstances that led writers to put him top-6 (indeed, top-4) last year. "Very strong season" isn't the standard, this is a stack-ranking thing.
I don't have the time or energy to look back but wasn't it pretty much agreed upon by everyone here that Jaylen was going to get an All-NBA spot? There was the back and forth during the year but by the end of it I recall the only question being whether he'd make 2nd or 3rd Team.I think this is a case where you need to show your work and tell us who should have made it to the team instead of him. I would bet that when you actually do that exercise, you will come to the conclusion that he was definitely worthy of a spot last year.
I believe that the first two "Honorable Mentions" were Julius Randle and Lauri Markkanen if that helps
Yes, it was.I don't have the time or energy to look back but wasn't it pretty much agreed upon by everyone here that Jaylen was going to get an All-NBA spot? There was the back and forth during the year but by the end of it I recall the only question being whether he'd make 2nd or 3rd Team.
Julius Randle made the third team last year. AD and Markkanen were the next two in line.I think this is a case where you need to show your work and tell us who should have made it to the team instead of him. I would bet that when you actually do that exercise, you will come to the conclusion that he was definitely worthy of a spot last year.
I believe that the first two "Honorable Mentions" were Julius Randle and Lauri Markkanen if that helps
I was thinking DJ as a comp as well (at least Celtic era DJ). Jrue is an even better comp to DJ, mainly due to their similar physicality/strength.To me, DWhite is a 21st century Dennis Johnson. He figures out what his team needs every game, and then tries to provide it. He is a better shooter than DJ. Luckily for the Celtics they have another 21st-century Dennis Johnson in Jrue Holiday.
How about Joe Dumars?To me, DWhite is a 21st century Dennis Johnson. He figures out what his team needs every game, and then tries to provide it. He is a better shooter than DJ. Luckily for the Celtics they have another 21st-century Dennis Johnson in Jrue Holiday.
With JJ's podcast and social media presence reaching out to the large majority on NBA people voting on the team....this tweet is freakin huge in getting him on the team.The campaign picks up steam:
View: https://twitter.com/jj_redick/status/1737686495949914407?s=20
Agree. I wasn't taking this campaign seriously, but it might actually happen now.With JJ's podcast and social media presence reaching out to the large majority on NBA people voting on the team....this tweet is freakin huge in getting him on the team.
I haven't looked hard at who he's competing against but he is certainly playing as though he is deserving. Quite the meteoric rise from being a multi-year D-2 player.Agree. I wasn't taking this campaign seriously, but it might actually happen now.
And LaMelo has missed the last 11 games and still has no set return date from his ankle injury.I haven't looked hard at who he's competing against but he is certainly playing as though he is deserving. Quite the meteoric rise from being a multi-year D-2 player.
Edit: He's def ahead of Ball with him being on such a crappy team but that is some tough comp.
The same metric has Jayson Tatum behind Goga Bitadze, Scottie Barnes and Trae Young. Which, to be fair, expresses the pitfalls of looking at only one metric.Not that all-star voters spend a lot of time thinking about “Vorps and Schnorps” but EPM currently has the top 15 players as
1. Embiid
2. SGA
3. Jokic
4. Giannis
5. LeBron
6. Luka
7. Chet
8. Derrick White
9. AD
10. Haliburton
11. Trae
12. Kawhi
13. Steph
14. Booker
15. KD
That’s some pretty good company, Mr. White.
Hopefully, Adam Silver is a fan of “Vorps and Schnorps” and not POINTZ!Not that all-star voters spend a lot of time thinking about “Vorps and Schnorps” but EPM currently has the top 15 players as
1. Embiid
2. SGA
3. Jokic
4. Giannis
5. LeBron
6. Luka
7. Chet
8. Derrick White
9. AD
10. Haliburton
11. Trae
12. Kawhi
13. Steph
14. Booker
15. KD
That’s some pretty good company, Mr. White.
I know it is a popularity contest and not a DARKO contest but....assuming that Lillard and Mitchell are shoe ins and that LaMelo is out due to injury it looks like White is right in the mix.The competition is probably too stiff, but JJ will have fun roasting/trolling his colleagues at ESPN.
East Guards:
Tyrese Halliburton
Dame Lillard
Donovan Mitchell
Tyrese Maxey
Jalen Brunson
Trae Young
LaMelo Ball
Trae Young is the best of those guards and Haliburton the worst? I would have said the opposite.I know it is a popularity contest and not a DARKO contest but....assuming that Lillard and Mitchell are shoe ins and that LaMelo is out due to injury it looks like White is right in the mix.
I think there can be up to 6 guards per conference to make the team. It doesn't seem outlandish that DW could be one of them.
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My read is Trae Young is not the best. It looks to me like he has the highest variance on a game by game basis. If I were choosing who to add to my roster I would want a guard that more consistently performed at a high level.Trae Young is the best of those guards and Haliburton the worst? I would have said the opposite.
I'm suspicious of any black box data that tells me Trae Young is better than Haliburton. If it told me Derrick White belonged on the pantheon of gods I'd believe that though.My read is Trae Young is not the best. It looks to me like he has the highest variance on a game by game basis. If I were choosing who to add to my roster I would want a guard that more consistently performed at a high level.
Agree with you that if you fit a curve to the data, Haliburton would appear to be the lowest performing of the bunch. I'm not sure why that is but in a thread about Derrick White I think the data indicates that he is among the best in the conference.
Objection.I'm suspicious of any black box data that tells me Trae Young is better than Haliburton. If it told me Derrick White belonged on the pantheon of gods I'd believe that though.
I think it is completely reasonable to be suspicious. It's funny. I am highly suspicious of black box statistics like ESPN's QBR and never really even pay attention to it as a result.I'm suspicious of any black box data that tells me Trae Young is better than Haliburton. If it told me Derrick White belonged on the pantheon of gods I'd believe that though.
Derrick White is God Realgod.Objection.
White's better than God Shammgod.
On Saturday against the Los Angeles Clippers, White became the first player in NBA history to notch six or more made three-pointers and three or more blocks in consecutive games.
On top of that, he’s also the first Celtics guard to record three or more blocks in four straight games.
3s + Blocks
Scottie Barnes is a guard?White and Holiday have a friendly bet going on about having the most blocks for a guard this season. How's that going?
1. Scottie Barnes, 1016 mins played, 40 blocks
2. Derrick White, 810, 31
3. Jrue Holiday, 891, 22
4. Alex Caruso, 587, 29
4. James Harden, 803, 20
6. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, 647, 18
Pretty well!
That's gonna be nuts once we add Caruso to the mix.White and Holiday have a friendly bet going on about having the most blocks for a guard this season. How's that going?
1. Scottie Barnes, 1016 mins played, 40 blocks
2. Derrick White, 810, 31
3. Jrue Holiday, 891, 22
4. Alex Caruso, 587, 29
4. James Harden, 803, 20
6. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, 647, 18
Pretty well!