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Deathofthebambino

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I dont know about you guys, but I've been reading a bunch of stuff and listening to a bunch if sports radio, and I'm starting to think this Cs team got so exposed last night, that they might be a play in team.

Do you guys think the 7 or the 9 seed is better? Anyone have any numbers on the success rates. Obviously, they could miss the playoffs entirely, but I prefer to remain optimistic

Last night changed everything.
 
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Deathofthebambino said:
I dont know about you guys, but I've been reading a bunch of stuff and listening to a bunch if sports radio, and I'm starting to think this Cs team got so exposed last night, that they might be a play in team.

Do you guys think the 7 or the 9 seed is better? Anyone have any numbers on the success rates. Obviously, they could miss the playoffs entirely, but I prefer to remain optimistic

Last night changed everything.
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You probably also learned that the Patriots 6 Super Bowls don't really count because they were really won by Brady, who left. And that Bill Belichick is not a Hall of Fame coach because he had Brady. And the 4 titles won by the Red Sox were all flukes, so they don't count either. And Pedro didn't win 300 games, so shouldn't have been voted into the Hall of Fame as a first ballot guy.

Am I missing anything?
 
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You probably also learned that the Patriots 6 Super Bowls don't really count because they were really won by Brady, who left. And that Bill Belichick is not a Hall of Fame coach because he had Brady. And the 4 titles won by the Red Sox were all flukes, so they don't count either. And Pedro didn't win 300 games, so shouldn't have been voted into the Hall of Fame as a first ballot guy.

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Lol, jokes on you. The Red Sox should have been kicked out of Major Leagu baseball, after that bully, Pedro threw that poor old elderly Zimmer to the ground, so the 4 world series have asterisks, but we also never came in last in the division either.

Because the Red Sox don't even exist anymore. How do you not know this? Have you been asleep for 20 years?

The Pats just lost their first round pick because of your post. I hope you're happy.
 
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Deathofthebambino said:
I dont know about you guys, but I've been reading a bunch of stuff and listening to a bunch if sports radio, and I'm starting to think this Cs team got so exposed last night, that they might be a play in team.

Do you guys think the 7 or the 9 seed is better? Anyone have any numbers on the success rates. Obviously, they could miss the playoffs entirely, but I prefer to remain optimistic

Last night changed everything.
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I read in one of those Facebook Celtics groups that we have no chance to win because we don't have any depth and we are only top heavy.....and top heavy doesn't win championships, depth does! I then read people agree. My head hurts.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
I read in one of those Facebook Celtics groups that we have no chance to win because we don't have any depth and we are only top heavy.....and top heavy doesn't win championships, depth does! I then read people agree. My head hurts.
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The Celtics depth won the 2nd half yesterday, so we have that going for us...
 
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Can’t remember, do we have lottery protections on our draft pick this year?
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Celtics own their pick outright this year. I'd put the odds as very, very high that they either trade it before the draft for a player, or turn it into 2nds to draft older players on cheap contracts (or trade for players).

Brad/Zarren clearly think late 1sts have become over-valued for contending teams.
 
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Celtics own their pick outright this year. I'd put the odds as very, very high that they either trade it before the draft for a player, or turn it into 2nds to draft older players on cheap contracts (or trade for players).

Brad/Zarren clearly think late 1sts have become over-valued for contending teams.
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The new CBA and 3 (2-ways) make 2nd-round picks much more attractive than in the past.

Use 2nds on those ancient, washed-up 21 & 22-year-olds that have hit their ceilings because players NEVER get better after their 23rd birthday o_O
 
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Is it too early to bet on Milwaukee for their March visit to Boston? I assume they’re favored by 20 or so, which they should cover in like a quarters and a half.
 
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Deathofthebambino said:
I dont know about you guys, but I've been reading a bunch of stuff and listening to a bunch if sports radio, and I'm starting to think this Cs team got so exposed last night, that they might be a play in team.

Do you guys think the 7 or the 9 seed is better? Anyone have any numbers on the success rates. Obviously, they could miss the playoffs entirely, but I prefer to remain optimistic

Last night changed everything.
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it's clearly time to blow it up. Could we get more for JT/JB/KP at the deadline? Or would a fire sale be more profitable around the draft/in the summer? If we can make the moves before the ASB, we might be able to tank for a lottery pick!
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
I read in one of those Facebook Celtics groups that we have no chance to win because we don't have any depth and we are only top heavy.....and top heavy doesn't win championships, depth does! I then read people agree. My head hurts.
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I am sorry, I can't tell whether this is continued sarcasm, or something you actually read. But if it is the latter, oh my fing head...
 
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I'm going to continue harping on the B2B. The Bucks did not even play last night. Unless the monster truck show was in town for one night, wtf? Why did that game need to be a B2B?
 
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it's clearly time to blow it up. Could we get more for JT/JB/KP at the deadline? Or would a fire sale be more profitable around the draft/in the summer? If we can make the moves before the ASB, we might be able to tank for a lottery pick!
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I wonder if OKC would trade or swap every draft pick they own/control for JT?
 
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I am sorry, I can't tell whether this is continued sarcasm, or something you actually read. But if it is the latter, oh my fing head...
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Oh no it's real. The worst Port Cellar poster would be Top 10% on those sites and that's no exaggeration.
 
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Not to mention they’ve only had 3 thus far, to our 6 or 7.
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Just checked because that sounded odd:
Milwaukee have their 6th back-to-back tomorrow
Boston has played in 7 back-to-backs (5-2 record)

It felt like the bigger issue was 5 games in 7 days (against good competition)
after getting back from a tough road game in OKC, they played a hot UTAH team, then back on the road for 2 intense away games in INDIANA, then the OT MINN game.

Tatum noted in the post-game presser the difficulty of their schedule.
The proverbial SCHEDULED loss was on full display & not entirely shocking to anyone other than SHAQ

Good news: HOUSTON comes into tonight off a tough game in DETROIT last night. Let's get back to winning basketball.
 
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Remember when people were tweeting out and posting the last week or two about how the Celtics had the easiest remaining schedule? Those days were cute.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
Remember when people were tweeting out and posting the last week or two about how the Celtics had the easiest remaining schedule? Those days were cute.
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They have Houston/Toronto/Wemby coming up. After that they’ve got Brooklyn back-2-back and road Chicago wrapped around the all-star break, and a Detroit-Chicago road B2B followed by two road games in ATL end of March. Otherwise as far as I can tell their upcoming schedule doesn’t have stretches of tomato cans. There aren’t that many easy teams in this league.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
Remember when people were tweeting out and posting the last week or two about how the Celtics had the easiest remaining schedule? Those days were cute.
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That was heavily weighted by the six games we had left against Detroit and San Antonio. We are down to four and the Detroit game wasn’t even easy.
 
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snowmanny said:
They have Houston/Toronto/Wemby coming up. After that they’ve got Brooklyn back-2-back and road Chicago wrapped around the all-star break, and a Detroit-Chicago road B2B followed by two road games in ATL end of March. Otherwise as far as I can tell their upcoming schedule doesn’t have stretches of tomato cans. There aren’t that many easy teams in this league.
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My primary point wasn't the teams but the actual scheduling of games which were at the time among the more difficult per the calendar.
 
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The Bucks have a home b2b starting tonight, that is the blocker on them playing yesterday.

The C's are getting their comfy 7 game homestand with only one b2b next month... it will balance out.
 
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DeadlySplitter said:
The Bucks have a home b2b starting tonight, that is the blocker on them playing yesterday.

The C's are getting their comfy 7 game homestand with only one b2b next month... it will balance out.
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I hope so. We are going a month and a half without 3 straight home games. Tonight is our 3rd straight 1 game home stand.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
My primary point wasn't the teams but the actual scheduling of games which were at the time among the more difficult per the calendar.
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Fair. I saw the same reporting and then it was this fricking gauntlet. They did well. I give zero f’s about the Bucks loss, and the Indy loss was BS.
 
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My only concern with losses like the Milwaukee loss is my long standing belief that we have morphed into a version of one of D’Antonis teams. When the three isn’t falling our solution is to just keep shooting them and it has seemed that Steph Curry aside, it’s hard to win tough playoff series as a 3 or die team. It’s impossible to care that they couldn’t make much in a tough b2b situation but I wish it felt like they had a bag of tricks to dig into when their primary attacking isn’t producing results. Situationally, this iteration of the Celtics have never seemed good at stopping runs by other teams by being able to reliably get 2 while the other team gets hot so those 20-2 runs are instead 20-10 runs which allow you to get hot later and close the gap
 
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My only concern with losses like the Milwaukee loss is my long standing belief that we have morphed into a version of one of D’Antonis teams. When the three isn’t falling our solution is to just keep shooting them and it has seemed that Steph Curry aside, it’s hard to win tough playoff series as a 3 or die team. It’s impossible to care that they couldn’t make much in a tough b2b situation but I wish it felt like they had a bag of tricks to dig into when their primary attacking isn’t producing results. Situationally, this iteration of the Celtics have never seemed good at stopping runs by other teams by being able to reliably get 2 while the other team gets hot so those 20-2 runs are instead 20-10 runs which allow you to get hot later and close the gap
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Celtics post up a bunch, Tatum and Jaylen are both very good in the mid range, KP and Tatum get to the line a ton.

They are nothing like those D’Antoni teams, anyways.
 
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Every single team in the NBA shoots a shitload of threes. Recent successes in the playoffs do nothing to indicate that it is either an impediment or an advantage to shoot a bunch of 3's above and beyond the extent to which shooting 3s produces overall efficient offense. Yeah, if you miss a bunch of threes youre gonna struggle. Your team will also struggle if they don't get open shots at the rim. Being unable to generate 3s is also a problem, just look at Phoenix last year or the Lakers.
 
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Celtics post up a bunch, Tatum and Jaylen are both very good in the mid range, KP and Tatum get to the line a ton.

They are nothing like those D’Antoni teams, anyways.
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They are capable of playing in the post and mid range but I don’t think they shift to it well when they need to stem the momentum. Much like the coach who doesn’t believe in time outs, the team just keeps firing away regardless of game state. Maybe that’s even the right approach but it feels to me like momentum is a thing in basketball and that optimal usage of possessions has to be dynamic to both teams momentum.

The Celtics went 1-8 from 3 in first quarter of that game and followed it up with an 0-8 in the second. Tatum only had 2 FGA in the 2nd quarter while the Bucks built a lead they weren’t ever going to come back from. To me they needed to recognize that the game was getting away from them and go down with Tatum trying to post or mid range or do whatever it takes to see a few go through so the whole team could relax a little.

Admittedly, 16 of 50 FGs being 3s isn’t an outrageous outcome. I’d just really like to see them have ways to knuckle down and get buckets when they really need them. Prints never going to happen with the specific skillsets of JB and Tatum but some plays which get them easier buckets would ease a lot of my anxiety about them in 7 game series
 
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They are capable of playing in the post and mid range but I don’t think they shift to it well when they need to stem the momentum. Much like the coach who doesn’t believe in time outs, the team just keeps firing away regardless of game state. Maybe that’s even the right approach but it feels to me like momentum is a thing in basketball and that optimal usage of possessions has to be dynamic to both teams momentum.

The Celtics went 1-8 from 3 in first quarter of that game and followed it up with an 0-8 in the second. Tatum only had 2 FGA in the 2nd quarter while the Bucks built a lead they weren’t ever going to come back from. To me they needed to recognize that the game was getting away from them and go down with Tatum trying to post or mid range or do whatever it takes to see a few go through so the whole team could relax a little.

Admittedly, 16 of 50 FGs being 3s isn’t an outrageous outcome. I’d just really like to see them have ways to knuckle down and get buckets when they really need them. Prints never going to happen with the specific skillsets of JB and Tatum but some plays which get them easier buckets would ease a lot of my anxiety about them in 7 game series
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I think rather than optimizing for your anxiety the team should be committed to whatever process generates the best shots, which may be inside or outside the three point line depending on many factors. To the extent that momentum is one of those factors (debatable), Id say its extremely far down the list compared to the obvious ones like who your players are, what the defense is doing, what the flow of the ball is like etc.
 
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The biggest problem with those D'Antoni teams is that he could never coach defense. 4 years in Phoenix, his defense ratings were on average 16th in the league. 4 years with the Knicks, his defensive ratings were 19th on average. 2 years with the Lakers, his defensive ratings were 24th on average. 4 years with Houston, his defensive ratings were 14th on average. It wasn't the high volume 3 point shooting (and the associated variance) that killed him, it was his teams' inability to play above average defense.
 
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Ask NBA defenses how they feel about giving up good looks from 3. A lot of effort goes into not letting precisely that happen.
 
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I have studied the stats and looked at all the analytical information available to me, really researched the details, and I've come to one and only one conclusion: Fuck Ime Udoka.
 
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I'm unclear on the perspective here ("you guys" and "they"). Is Udoka saying that Celtics players lied to the media because the players knew what happened? Or is he saying that Celtics management lied to the players? The latter is pretty shitty but understandable. The former, wtf.
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Either way, he had to know the media would be asking questions and he should have had an answer prepared. That he chose to throw blame elsewhere speaks volumes about his character. The whole reason we are having this discussion, the whole reason for the questions, the whole reason Udoka finds himself trying to resurrect the Rockets rather than guide the C's to another potential championship is Ime himself. He could have simply sidestepped the question or had some wordsalad prepared.

Instead he needs everyone to know he wasn't the only actor in this story.
 
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Euclis20 said:
I'm unclear on the perspective here ("you guys" and "they"). Is Udoka saying that Celtics players lied to the media because the players knew what happened? Or is he saying that Celtics management lied to the players? The latter is pretty shitty but understandable. The former, wtf.
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I read it as a hypothetical statement that Udoka would say to the C's players who were frustrated they felt left in the dark. So, management lied to the players because they knew (or, at least some knew).
 
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I am pretty sure he’s saying that he told the players what was going on so when the players told the media that they were left in the dark about the situation, the players were lying
 
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Yeah he’s definitely saying the players were lying when they said they didn’t know the situation. It seemed blatant at the time, IIRC. People around the league knew, but the Celtics players didn’t? Yeah okay.
 
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Realgm in general is a cesspool. I was a Celtics board mod for years, and it was not enjoyable lol.
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Are you the one who asked me to back off when I was hounding some idiot who thought that Red Auerbach wasn’t that great a GM because “now GMs have to deal with players making much more money”?
 
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