2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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Maybe if your most important player is sore, you don't put him back into the game against the awful Spurs with 6:38 to play and up 14.
Or at least you take him out 2.5 minutes later up 15.
Oh wait, he's on pace to score 70+points... well, too bad, either you rest him because he needs rest or you play him because he can play.
But gtfoh playing the victim and talking about the the scrutiny of media and fans.
Embiid only cares about being healthy for the playoffs and nothing else.. just ask him... unless it's getting 70+ in a game..or it's the MVP... or

Embiid was also jumped on by Green in the first half going for a loose ball. He seemed hobbled after that as well. Probably a coincidence but both times going for a loose ball Warriors players just happened to jump on Embiid's legs. (I thought the first was intentional, but not the one in the second tbh)
 

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That was a new one. The ball went out of bounds, the refs couldn't see who it went out on so they called a jump ball. Billups challenged the call, saying it went out on the Bucks. Upon review, the refs determined it actually went out on Portland (meaning Billups' challenge made things worse). However since the challenge changed the call on the floor it was considered a "successful" challenge, meaning Portland gets to keep their timeout, and they can challenge again if they wish.
 

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That close by Brogdon was both brilliant as well as infuriating on another level. Where was that in last year's playoffs?
 

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Thought they also needed to try harder to get someone other than Giannis the ball. You know the foul is coming. It takes Giannis off the lane for a game tying tip. It also puts Giannis at the line needing to make, then miss.
Having Lillard inbound the ball was bizarre.

I can’t quite express this, but Lillard seemed a little passive? Just seemed weird that he was deferring to Brook Lopez taking threes? I know the Bucks offensive/crunch time numbers are excellent, but it still seems off to me.
 

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Having Lillard inbound the ball was bizarre.

I can’t quite express this, but Lillard seemed a little passive? Just seemed weird that he was deferring to Brook Lopez taking threes? I know the Bucks offensive/crunch time numbers are excellent, but it still seems off to me.
I also thought Lopez made a bad decision going for his own three after being run off the initial shot. Brogdon, after a great close on Dame, started to pinch towards the middle for some reason once Lopez put the ball on the deck, leaving Dame pretty open with about 8-9 seconds left on the game clock and no shot clock. Strange ending, indeed.
 

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It's true that some of the angst of Celtics fans would be alleviated by watching some of these other contenders play their games.
 

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What a gutsy win down the stretch by PDX. Ant had to love getting that one.

That fanbase is one of the best in sports. I know tonight was a tough ticket but they show up on the regular. They deserve a good team - I hope the Blazers are relevant again soon.
 

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I also thought Lopez made a bad decision going for his own three after being run off the initial shot. Brogdon, after a great close on Dame, started to pinch towards the middle for some reason once Lopez put the ball on the deck, leaving Dame pretty open with about 8-9 seconds left on the game clock and no shot clock. Strange ending, indeed.
Yes, on that particular play, it’s not really right for me to say that Dame was deferring. He should have gotten the ball back from Lopez.
 

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Yes, on that particular play, it’s not really right for me to say that Dame was deferring. He should have gotten the ball back from Lopez.
But I agree that Dame seemed strangely deferential, especially in that game for him personally.

Doc really has his work cut out for him. Tough enough to take over a team in media res, but this month-- excluding games vs Charlotte-- is brutal for MKE after a rather cakewalky go of things competition-wise.
 

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Thought they also needed to try harder to get someone other than Giannis the ball. You know the foul is coming. It takes Giannis off the lane for a game tying tip. It also puts Giannis at the line needing to make, then miss.
I didn't mind Lillard inbounding the ball to Giannis (for Lillard's game-winner against Sac a couple weeks ago, he inbounded the ball to Lopez with 5.2 seconds), the problem was that instead of Giannis handing it off or getting to Lillard (giving him a running start), Giannis for some reason turned up court. Very strange decision.
 

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I didn't mind Lillard inbounding the ball to Giannis (for Lillard's game-winner against Sac a couple weeks ago, he inbounded the ball to Lopez with 5.2 seconds), the problem was that instead of Giannis handing it off or getting to Lillard (giving him a running start), Giannis for some reason turned up court. Very strange decision.
That too. It looked like Grant wasn't rushing up to give the foul immediately and waited until Giannis started up the floor. Definitely felt like he could (and should) have gotten the ball back to Lillard.
 

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That too. It looked like Grant wasn't rushing up to give the foul immediately and waited until Giannis started up the floor. Definitely felt like he could (and should) have gotten the ball back to Lillard.
Can see scenarios where Giannis and Lillard want to be the man.. or where Lillard defers to Giannis because it's his team... but Giannis not giving the ball back down three where he can get fouled seems like a really selfish decision.
 

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It's true that some of the angst of Celtics fans would be alleviated by watching some of these other contenders play their games.
Celts execution down the stretch is definitely more team centric than whatever that was the Bucks were doing down the stretch. Portland got the ball out of Lillard's and Giannis' hands during the most important possession and Lopez was forced to shoot the three. Really interesting to see what Doc does with this team and if he can change things.
 

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Having Lillard inbound the ball was bizarre.

I can’t quite express this, but Lillard seemed a little passive? Just seemed weird that he was deferring to Brook Lopez taking threes? I know the Bucks offensive/crunch time numbers are excellent, but it still seems off to me.
It's happened quite a bit this season in Milwaukee. I watch a bunch of Bucks games just out of curiosity and for enemy scouting (heh), and yes, he defers at times when he shouldn't. That being said, he is having a really terrible time personally this season (divorce, not seeing his kids) and in my opinion is understandably missing some of the joy he played with.

It's true that some of the angst of Celtics fans would be alleviated by watching some of these other contenders play their games.
Preach. League Pass is the greatest anti-anxiety medication there is for Celtics fans.
 

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Preach. League Pass is the greatest anti-anxiety medication there is for Celtics fans.
Yes. Also, NBA basketball is hard, the other team is trying to make it hard for you, and they have good players too!

That close by Brogdon was both brilliant as well as infuriating on another level. Where was that in last year's playoffs?
I do not have a membership in the Malcolm Brogdon fan club, but he was playing with one arm by the end.
 

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Lopez is a hard guy for me to wrap my mind around because I feel like he never fucking misses from 3, but then I look it up and he's shooting just .346 this year (.350 from 3 for his career in Milwaukee), and shoots a frigid .273 from 3 against Boston for his career. Where I got the idea that he's a dead-eye shooter I'll never know, but it's messing with my head a bit.

It's happened quite a bit this season in Milwaukee. I watch a bunch of Bucks games just out of curiosity and for enemy scouting (heh), and yes, he defers at times when he shouldn't. That being said, he is having a really terrible time personally this season (divorce, not seeing his kids) and in my opinion is understandably missing some of the joy he played with.
It's hard to really find fault with the Bucks offense. They're 3rd in offensive rating and 1st in 4th quarter points. There are a few minor points to quibble with (especially w/regard to Giannis/Lillard deciding who has the ball), but any improvement on offense is gonna be minimal at this point. I'm not sure we've had a title contender in recent history in which one of the top 3-4 guys was as lousy defensively as Dame (and the defensive downgrade from Jrue to Dame remains just about the largest possible slide, unless we were to trade Derrick White for Trae Young). I don't think we've had a champion with a defensive weak link this bad in over 30 years. He's spent most of his career as a really solid poor man's Steph Curry, but I didn't really realize until this year that the gap between Curry and Lillard is significantly greater on defense than it is on offense (I'd assumed that Lillard's lousy defense was due at least in part to the fact that he carried a massive load offensively for Portland).

Preach. League Pass is the greatest anti-anxiety medication there is for Celtics fans.
The Celtics are definitely the weakest title contender around, except for all the others. I know there aren't any real victories to be had in the regular season, but I'll enjoy this one for as long as I can.
 

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Lopez is a hard guy for me to wrap my mind around because I feel like he never fucking misses from 3, but then I look it up and he's shooting just .346 this year (.350 from 3 for his career in Milwaukee), and shoots a frigid .273 from 3 against Boston for his career. Where I got the idea that he's a dead-eye shooter I'll never know, but it's messing with my head a bit.
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I think it's because he shot 36% on good volume in his first year with the Bucks, spaced pretty deep/above the break. It also coincided with the Bucks emergence as a top regular season team, so his shooting/spacing became a big part of that narrative.
 

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Lopez is a hard guy for me to wrap my mind around because I feel like he never fucking misses from 3, but then I look it up and he's shooting just .346 this year (.350 from 3 for his career in Milwaukee), and shoots a frigid .273 from 3 against Boston for his career. Where I got the idea that he's a dead-eye shooter I'll never know, but it's messing with my head a bit.
It’s probably the height and mechanics. It’s the same with Porzingis who is right at his career pct this year at 35.8%.
 

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I think it's because he shot 36% on good volume in his first year with the Bucks, spaced pretty deep/above the break. It also coincided with the Bucks emergence as a top regular season team, so his shooting/spacing became a big part of that narrative.
Plus shooting 35% for a great blocking/defending/rebounding center is a good thing to have.
Opens a lot of space for Giannis around the rim, if your 5 can stretch the floor.
 

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That's probably it, although KP has a quicker release, slightly more range and is definitely more comfortable with a hand in his face.
Neither guy has a lot of arc on his shot. KP's is a joy to watch mechanically up to the moment it leaves his hands, but ~35% is probably the ceiling over time when you shoot it as flat as he does. (And, yes, I'm aware that he shot 38.5% last season).
 

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Neither guy has a lot of arc on his shot. KP's is a joy to watch mechanically up to the moment it leaves his hands, but ~35% is probably the ceiling over time when you shoot it as flat as he does. (And, yes, I'm aware that he shot 38.5% last season).
Yeah, KP's arc is an issue. Interestingly, his FTs had noticeably more arc on them when he came back against the Pacers. I doubt he can change his 3-ball at this point (maybe in the offseason), but it indicates he's aware of the problem.
 

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It's true that some of the angst of Celtics fans would be alleviated by watching some of these other contenders play their games.
If only Mazzulla were as competent as the rest of the NBA's head coaches.
 

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Lopez is a hard guy for me to wrap my mind around because I feel like he never fucking misses from 3, but then I look it up and he's shooting just .346 this year (.350 from 3 for his career in Milwaukee), and shoots a frigid .273 from 3 against Boston for his career. Where I got the idea that he's a dead-eye shooter I'll never know, but it's messing with my head a bit.
Brook Lopez knocking down 3s & getting DPOY votes has been one of the most impressive BIG man transformations ever (I guess those defensive accolades were more system/teammate-driven)

Robin needs to check his birth certificate again.
 

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I’m not a betting man, but Donte DiVincenzo is going to score a lot of points with Randle out, whether or not he’s efficient that night.

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Most made three-pointers in January:

1. Donte DiVincenzo: 56
2. Steph Curry: 53
3. Paul George: 53

DiVincenzo’s 56 made three-pointers broke the Knicks’ franchise record for most made 3PT’s in a single month.

The previous record of 55 was set by John Starks in January of 1995.
 

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Important context.

Donte - 16 games played
Steph - 11 games
PG - 14
Interesting, thanks (not sarcastic). I was just cutting and pasting from Twitter but minutes seem more relevant than games played here (although the whole thing is pretty meaningless in general). I don't know an automatic way to do it, so quickly adding them up in my head I got this:

George: 461
DiVincenzo: 425
Curry: 369
 

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Important context.

Donte - 16 games played
Steph - 11 games
PG - 14
DD shot 40%, Steph shot 40.8%

I have to check the stats again, but the Brunson/DD combo has the highest 3pt% in something like the last 5 years. Again, have to check.

Also, on the season DD is at 42.8%, PG 41.2% and Curry is at 41%
 

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I’m not a betting man, but Donte DiVincenzo is going to score a lot of points with Randle out, whether or not he’s efficient that night.

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Most made three-pointers in January:

1. Donte DiVincenzo: 56
2. Steph Curry: 53
3. Paul George: 53

DiVincenzo’s 56 made three-pointers broke the Knicks’ franchise record for most made 3PT’s in a single month.

The previous record of 55 was set by John Starks in January of 1995.
Pretty impressive that Starks held the record for so long. I always enjoyed watching him play even though it was on the hated Knicks. Though I did take immense joy in his game 7 disaster.
 

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Fun three-ball factoid: Steph and Klay recently passed 7,000 combined career threes made (now at 7,060). **All the players in the NBA from 1979-84** (the first five years of the three ball) combined for just under 6,000 threes.
 
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