I pick him 34 every mock draft he's there, just seems like a perfect fit, young needs technique work, athletic, real potential to be a long-term starting LT.
I pick him 34 every mock draft he's there, just seems like a perfect fit, young needs technique work, athletic, real potential to be a long-term starting LT.
On th brighter side, though, it looks like this is Eliot Wolf's football operation more so than Mayo's.Mayo and Kraft seem to be desperate to be anti-BB. The issue is, there is literally no upside to doing so. Blabbing everything to the press like this only makes them look foolish. I am not saying Mayo has to be BB 2.0, that would be silly. But there is zero benefit or need to be this open with everything they are thinking about.
Would you feel any better if he'd just come out and mumbled surly platitudes about "just whatever is good for the team." Then you'd have neither words nor head coaching available to make your evaluation. I think it's probably better to wait and see how he fucks up the first play in the first exhibition game before deciding he's out of his depth. No reason to let him ruin your spring, in addition to the inevitable summer and fall failure.Boy i tell you the more i listen to Mayo the more i feel like the guy is way in over his head here. This is going to be a difficult year for him imo, just hearing him discuss certain aspects of the current roster and the draft he doesn't sound very confident in his process or i'm wondering if he even has a process at all yet, as this is just all by the seat of his pants so to speak and winging it right now.
But so far he has said stuff and had to say a lot more stuff to walk it back, clarify, or otherwise double down. It makes him appear completely over his head. And there's literally no benefit to it.Would you feel any better if he'd just come out and mumbled surly platitudes about "just whatever is good for the team." Then you'd have neither words nor head coaching available to make your evaluation. I think it's probably better to wait and see how he fucks up the first play in the first exhibition game before deciding he's out of his depth. No reason to let him ruin your spring, in addition to the inevitable summer and fall failure.
I think the only thing that he had to walk back was a throwaway comment about spending a lot of cash this offseason. Still, if there are quotes people don’t like, it would be good if people could point them out rather than assuming everyone knows which comments are being discussed. Not everyone listens to 98.5 or whatever.But so far he has said stuff and had to say a lot more stuff to walk it back, clarify, or otherwise double down. It makes him appear completely over his head. And there's literally no benefit to it.
I have no idea how good of a HC he will be. I do know he is not coming across all that great so far when he makes needless media gaffes.
Co-Sign. I don't think there's much to complain about outside what is ultimately a fairly innocuous comment about "burning cash." Is it possible people re freaked out simply b/c Mayo is so different in style and temperament from BB? What tangible ANYTHING has he done or said that is of actual concern?I think the only thing that he had to walk back was a throwaway comment about spending a lot of cash this offseason. Still, if there are quotes people don’t like, it would be good if people could point them out rather than assuming everyone knows which comments are being discussed. Not everyone listens to 98.5 or whatever.
Some people just want to buy the first tickets for the "we're doomed" trainCo-Sign. I don't think there's much to complain about outside what is ultimately a fairly innocuous comment about "burning cash." Is it possible people re freaked out simply b/c Mayo is so different in style and temperament from BB? What tangible ANYTHING has he done or said that is of actual concern?
Or, you know, people actually know what they are talking about. Some people just want to buy the first ticket for the "everyone is overreacting" train.Some people just want to buy the first tickets for the "we're doomed" train
You honestly think it's possible to tell how good a coach Mayo is going to be at this point, based on how he's talked to the media?Or, you know, people actually know what they are talking about.
I think it's all we have to go off right now and nobody is claiming he'll be a bad coach. Go back and read what people are saying and actually contribute.You honestly think it's possible to tell how good a coach Mayo is going to be at this point, based on how he's talked to the media?
My comments were part of the tangent that sprung from this postI think it's all we have to go off right now and nobody is claiming he'll be a bad coach. Go back and read what people are saying and actually contribute.
It's certainly no surprise to me that you singled me out among those who responded to this line of thinking, though.Boy i tell you the more i listen to Mayo the more i feel like the guy is way in over his head here. This is going to be a difficult year for him imo, just hearing him discuss certain aspects of the current roster and the draft he doesn't sound very confident in his process or i'm wondering if he even has a process at all yet, as this is just all by the seat of his pants so to speak and winging it right now.
I dont know about any of you but im preparing for a worse 2024 then 2023, i feel like the team has basically added nothing to the roster and now the coaching staff is completely unproven from top to bottom. As i thought, anyone decent free agent wanted nothing to do with coming here right now and really can't blame any player. If we dont hit in the draft we are going to be a subpar franchise for the foreseeable future, that brings me to the next point, CAN WE FREAKING NAME A GM KRAFT AND GIVE THAT PERSON A TAD BIT OF CONFIDENCE!
Which has close to zero correlation with his coaching ability. If you wish he'd shut up more, that's fine. YMMV. Plenty of unsuccessful coaches have talked a good game; and plenty of good ones have not.But so far he has said stuff and had to say a lot more stuff to walk it back, clarify, or otherwise double down. It makes him appear completely over his head. And there's literally no benefit to it.
I have no idea how good of a HC he will be. I do know he is not coming across all that great so far when he makes needless media gaffes.
If I misinterpreted (or overinterpreted) the phrase "in over his head" (in the context of the rest of the post that used it) to refer to coaching acumen, rather than ability to talk to the press, then my bad. (But I don't think I did.)I think it's all we have to go off right now and nobody is claiming he'll be a bad coach. Go back and read what people are saying and actually contribute.
Eh, sports talk is all over both the Sox and Pats for the offseasons they have had. Should we not be discussing it here?I think that a good rule of thumb when posting is to ask yourself: "is what I'm writing the subject of conversation on sports talk radio right now?". If it is, perhaps don't post it.
I think that there's overlap in what's good discussion certainly, but we have very different objectives from Felger et al.Eh, sports talk is all over both the Sox and Pats for the offseasons they have had. Should we not be discussing it here?
(or I assume it is, I don't listen to any sports radio)
But yet none of these supposed people that supposedly know what they are talking about can provide any quotes from Mayo other than the one example of "spending money", which has been discussed already.Or, you know, people actually know what they are talking about. Some people just want to buy the first ticket for the "everyone is overreacting" train.
Yeah, it is silly season with overreactions, sky is falling doom and gloom, sniping at each other, parsing of words that will have zero effect on the upcoming season, and little happening at the moment so a ton of talking about the same thing over and over.I think that a good rule of thumb when posting is to ask yourself: "is what I'm writing the subject of conversation on sports talk radio right now?". If it is, perhaps don't post it.
There's always the start of the Red Sox season!Yeah, it is silly season with overreactions, sky is falling doom and gloom, sniping at each other, parsing of words that will have zero effect on the upcoming season, and little happening at the moment so a ton of talking about the same thing over and over.
The draft and camp are still a ways off. Sigh.
I want to take this post out to a nice tapas restaurant, preferably one with live music.When it comes to coaches and players, I find very little information that happens off the field as relevant to how they will perform on the field. They aren't choir boys, they aren't PR experts, they aren't role models and if folks start from there and ignore the noise, they'll be better off for it.
We have currently very little evidence of how Mayo will be as a head coach, but we certainly have plenty of evidence that he knows how to coach, we know he worked his ass off as a player and was a leader on and off the field. We also know he was a pretty darn good player. Will it translate to him being a good head coach, which is in large part, managing a massive organization with a lot of people and moving parts? Who the fuck knows and if he muffed a line in a press conference, it won't mean shit if the Pats go out and play well or play poorly.
It's no different than the constant breaking draft news, the Pats have made their decision, the Pats are definitely taking a QB, or the Pats aren't interested in XXX and might trade down or so and so said this other guy was a big meanie. We can certainly discuss what we would do if we were in their situation, we can discuss what we think about player X based on what we've seen of him, but relying on second hand sources about shit that has no fucking bearing on success/failure on the field is a waste of time, but YMMV.
SoSH started as a place to lower the signal to noise ratio. 20+ years later, the landscape of media has changed so much that there is even more fucking noise than there was then, so it requires more vigilance to ignore it.
In Mayo's defense, none other than Bill Fucking Belichick drafted him in the top 10, made him a captain in year 2, and then hired him as basically the defensive coordinator despite having zero prior head coaching experience.Simple reality is almost everyone who gets a major promotion to a position they’ve never worked is in over their head in the first year. I don’t really care how Mayo looks right now, I care that he learns and adjusts. He knows football. He knows how to coach. I’d bet he’ll learn and get better at the ancillary parts of his job. He isn’t a finished product so nothing should be that alarming this year unless he starts saying stuff like, “I want to build an offense around JuJu”.
But I don’t begrudge people for trying to read tea leaves. Not everyone handles a promotion well so we’ll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.
What if you don't know what's being talked about on sports radio?I think that a good rule of thumb when posting is to ask yourself: "is what I'm writing the subject of conversation on sports talk radio right now?". If it is, perhaps don't post it.
It’s a good point. Everyone slobbered over Mike McDaniel for his offensive genius and ping pong powwows his first season, before he let his QBs and defense get systematically destroyed. By the end of the year he was vaping on the sidelines mid game and having Skylar Thompson throw 45 passes in a playoff game.Simple reality is almost everyone who gets a major promotion to a position they’ve never worked is in over their head in the first year.
What are the odds that the delta between Wolf and BB as GM is greater than the delta between BB and Mayo as HC?Did Mayo say something beyond “burn some cash” that people have concerns about?
media/fans : BB doesn’t respect us and owes an explanation during his press conferences
<BB fired>
media/fans: Can you believe all the stupid shit mayo says to the press?
Isn't it stuff like this?Did Mayo say something beyond “burn some cash” that people have concerns about?
Nope. The side the tight end lines up on typically depends on the play being called.Wouldn’t a bigger factor re: right and left tackles have to do with the position of the tight end? Or do left handed quarterbacks tend to have the TE line up on the left?
Well, a much tougher schedule could mean more losses even if the team hasn’t declined.Brissett alone would have gotten them (at least) a 5th win last year, and not because he is anything great. For the team to get worse would require a big regression on defense that I don't expect to happen.
Pretty funny line actually, and followed by saying ‘and he knows it’Speaking of being disrespectful, I hated when Mayo was asked about the biggest difference between him and Bill Belichick and said this:
“We definitely have similarities. I have a job, he doesn’t…”
Oh wait, that was Steve who said that.
McDaniel wasn't slobbered over for that, although that was his rep. He was slobbered over by the media for pithy quotes and modern drip. "So refreshing!" Even now I don't think he gets nearly enough shit for the Skylar Thompson Experience, or the complete lack of competitiveness against KC just because it was cold. His lack of criticism for those failures is largely why many coaches adapt a media-friendly or easily defined public persona. Why is Coach Hardo still employed? Because he's BUFFALO TOUGH and scowls etc etc etc.It’s a good point. Everyone slobbered over Mike McDaniel for his offensive genius and ping pong powwows his first season, before he let his QBs and defense get systematically destroyed. By the end of the year he was vaping on the sidelines mid game and having Skylar Thompson throw 45 passes in a playoff game.
I don't listen to talk radio, because I am a sane person.Of course it's a natural concern as a first year HC on the sidelines. But folks using the "burn some cash" line and then walking that quote back as a reason he might be in over his head on the sidelines during the games provides no support for that narrative. That line was drawn and why most of us are pointing to talk radio nonsense and silly season.
Sports talk radio is terrible in LA as well. I would rather listen to the 1877 kars for kids commercial on endless repeat than listen to any sports talk radioQuelle coincidence.
I don't listen to talk radio and I would like Michael Felger to be covered in honey and then devoured by ants.
I wonder does Steve know that that's not a similarity?Speaking of being disrespectful, I hated when Mayo was asked about the biggest difference between him and Bill Belichick and said this:
“We definitely have similarities. I have a job, he doesn’t…”
Oh wait, that was Steve who said that.
I'm guessing Hardo is still employed because the Bills have been to the playoffs in 6 of the 7 seasons he's been there, and have won the division 4 years in a row. They're 73-41 since he took over, and they're only losing season was Josh Allen's rookie year.Why is Coach Hardo still employed? Because he's BUFFALO TOUGH and scowls etc etc etc.
I could care less what Bills fans (or any other fans have to say), this is the talk radio portion of the noise and I don't care about what assistants he fires because we have no idea what happens in the locker room. The only thing we have are the results on the field. The point is the guy has made the playoffs in 6 of 7 seasons and won the division four years in a row. You keep coming at this as "playoff failure," so I'll ask, outside of Andy Reid and Bill Belichick, who else has been more successful over that time period? And of course, Andy Reid and Bill had Mahomes and Brady, so the idea of a coach being propped up by a great QB kind of applies to any coach that wins on a regular basis. Philly had to go to Chip fucking Kelly after they fired Reid, before they got Pederson, who had a magical season and was fired 3 years later after a 4-11-1 season.But Hardo is in exactly the position Andy Reid was in Philly, where he can put together good regular season teams and the constantly falls on his face in the postseason. He also fires assistants like mad and blames them for his own defensive playcalling failures. The dude loses home playoff games like it's the hot new fashion. He's a very flawed coach being propped up by a great QB and his flaws are always exposed in the postseason. And if Reddit is to be believed, there's a large portion of Bills fans who are done with the guy.
I wouldn't hire Hardo to run a Dairy Queen. He's a fucking clown.
If Mayo becomes Hardo I will be appalled, not for the W-L record but for the cultivation of a gross public persona that is solely designed to deflect criticism.
It's a stressful job that usually leads to poor personal habits. I hope he is able to manage his weight for his own sake and that of his family's.This is neither here nor there, has no bearing on how Mayo will do as a HC, and is not at all uncommon in coaching... but Mayo seems to have put on a decent amount of weight since he started coaching.