To further your point, San Francisco and Dallas have the best scoring defenses in the NFC, and are both coaches with backgrounds in offense.
I didn't remember it that way, but Pete was hired 1/11/10 and then Schneider was hired 1/19. Could they have vetted a list in 8 days? I suppose it's possible. But the organization was already familiar with Schneider from his first stint with the Seahawks in 2000.
...uncomfortable silence...
What's actually happening with a coaching search? People tweeting about Vrabel? That's not really a coaching search, it's proof that the coach search is sexier than the GM search. We have no idea how they are actually proceeding.
That was quarter century ago when Bob Kraft was in his 50's. If we think that a 72 year old coach/GM has lost a few steps why wouldn't that apply to an 82 year old owner.
It’s a fair question, and I’d answer similarly to @joe dokes (assuming I understood that somewhat cryptic remark : )
Carroll was not a good choice as coach. Give Pete a ton of credit for becoming a good coach after his run at USC, but he was completely the wrong guy for that 1997 post Parcells transition
Offensive head coach makes sense, especially with a new (hopefully) young franchise QB en route.
Also, Jonathan is riding sidecar with him now, and the belief is that he’s increasingly taking on operational responsibilities.
He's made enough "No coaching" noises to scare off most of them. But I fully expect people with no better ideas to pitch him as a GM candidate.
True but, unlike RKK, Jonathan has no track record in picking either a coach or GM.
I get that he's coaching for him now, but he had almost a decade of experience playing under him. That feels to me like it would be impactful, then having him as a coaching assistant to learn the mechanics of being a coach. The results of his pure coaches have been very, very poor for the most part so if we are picking a legacy member of the team then someone with playing experience under him might be the difference maker.
His deal with the Raiders makes me think he’s looking toward team ownership over the long term.
The coaching tree stuff is looking for a pattern where none really exists. Daboll won a playoff game with a bad Giants team last season. Saban has had plenty of success. The Dolphins owner sabotaged Flores from day 1.
Vrabel coached in the NFL only for coaches who are in the Bellichick tree, I don't know that the degree of separation of working for Bill O'Brien makes him not part of the tree.
This is a really underrated take, Machiavelli endorses.
Yeah, it is kind of amusing, honestly I think BOB was a better coach than Vrabel.... he just was a really bad GM.
The 2021 Titans with Todd Downing at OC won 12 games with Derrick Henry missing half the season and lost a field goal team to the ultimate AFC champ in the divisional round. PPG they fell from 4th to 15th under Downing as you stated but overall record was not affected. Same results as 2020 (11/12 wins, first game playoff knockout).
Regarding Vrabel’s offensive chops, part of his job is to identify offensive coaches who coach well and call good plays on that side of the ball. In 7 years, they had one good offense and one better than average offense. 5 years of bad or below average offense. Vrabel had issues with Burks and Willis (perhaps or even likely with good reason) but there’s nothing in his history to suggest he can build a competent offensive coaching staff. Arthur Smith may or may not be a good offensive coordinator (based on his experience in Atlanta Id chalk his Tennessee success up to Brown/career year Tannehill/prime Henry) but Todd Downing and Tim Kelly were underwhelming at best.
I'm thinking this is the way they go. I wonder if how they handle the young Belichicks is part of the parting of ways negotiation.
It's funny, because the Belichick "tree" has indeed produced a lot of bad results (apart from Ozzie Newsome, Nick Saban, Nick Caserio, Vrabel, Jim Schwartz as a DC, etc.). In fact, my understanding from media reports is that Belichick was an incredible mentor to his coaches and often brought them into his decision making process to prepare them to lead their own teams, and (as in the case with Judge) urged other teams to hire them.
Patricia:
Crazy to me that Eric Bieniemy isn't at least in the conversation. A shitty year for him, of course, but it was also for a franchise that can't stop stepping on their own dick.
I'll be honest, If he gets hired here Strunk should probably file tampering charges.
It was a bad year in DC not only on the field but off, the players there were not fans of his and he had problems with other coaches, the press, etc. For a guy who was trying to build a rep it was a step back.
He has rape allegations in the past when he was in school, I'm sure that's a factor.
Kraft said as much today, said he made a huge mistake not hiring Bill when Parcells left.
Yeah, she would have a very weak case. There is no rule preventing Vrabel from attending the Brady event in Foxboro. She just didn’t like it, but that is neither Kraft’s nor the league’s problem.
WOuldn't matter, if they tampered they tampered, they absolutely could file charges, particularly on the basis that if Vrabel was unwilling to do what he was asked to do because he had assurances from Kraft that he was interested in him as head coach after Bill.
So? I don't get what the argument is here. If he was no longer able or willing to do his job and part of the reason was tampering that would be significant. Even beyond that though... last year the Cardinals got dinged for tampering for contacting a guy a week before it was permitted, despite that they were obviously going to get him, and his team couldn't prevent it. That's how rules work, if you break them you can be punished. The outcome doesn't matter, same way the Dolphins got hit for Brady, whom they did not get on their team.
It could happen I guess, but I don't see her having a much of a chance or even want to.
The consipiracy is Kraft tampered with Vrabel when Vrabel spent the weekend here for his induction to the Pats HOF. "If we move on from Bill, are you interested?" type stuff.
That doesn't take away from the fact that the Titans voluntarily fired him, he's free to do what he wants. Tampering is moot at that point
