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2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread
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This is the 9th team he’s been with since leaving the Celtics. Guys gonna have a lot of connections around the league if nothing else.
Keon Ellis falls asleep on the most important possession of the game:
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I know the flaws associated with the veteran star filled teams currently in the WC play in, but Sacramento is far less serious than any of them (and I realize that this loss drops them down to 7th). They don't play defense (just like last year), but they were an elite offense last year (1st in offensive rating). They've dropped to 10th in offensive rating this year. Unless their opponent runs into serious injury trouble, this team is by far the least likely of the 10 teams in the WC playoff picture to win a playoff series.
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I know the flaws associated with the veteran star filled teams currently in the WC play in, but Sacramento is far less serious than any of them (and I realize that this loss drops them down to 7th). They don't play defense (just like last year), but they were an elite offense last year (1st in offensive rating). They've dropped to 10th in offensive rating this year. Unless their opponent runs into serious injury trouble, this team is by far the least likely of the 10 teams in the WC playoff picture to win a playoff series.
Moving this over here, since post-ASG Jaylen asks who is cum buckets?Somewhat OT: Dub Nation is hoping young Jonathan Kuminga follows a similar career arc to JB. Very similar physical profiles and games (BB-Ref has JK two inches taller, but to my eye they’re about the same) only JK has been a much better player in his first three seasons than JB was in his, despite entering the league a full year younger. Better scorer (volume and especially efficiency), better FT shooter, better rebounder, better passer, similar on court and on-off numbers.
No guarantee any young player follows any other’s trajectory,; and JB’s steady growth from age 22-27 has been impressive indeed. But we can say JK has similar athletic upside, similar defensive versatility, and shows similar passion/motor on the court, with a similar thirst and knack for getting buckets. I think he has a great chance to pass him, but we shall see. Life will no doubt get harder for JK as Steph and Dray age out and he’s asked to create more as the primary offensive option.
Now … the Ws just gotta find their future Tatum. Paging Moses Moody and Gui Santos?
Back on planet earth, you don’t have to squint nearly that hard to see Podziemski as a budding Derrick White (scrappy, skilled 6-4 combo guard with tough D, a non-stop motor, and an almost shockingly positive impact on the scoreboard) but with a ton of upside given he just turned 21 a couple weeks ago. Maybe White on D with shades of and Dragic and/or Manu on O, just to throw some crafty southpaws into the mix?
Anyway, blah blah. Yes, I am sad Steph just turned 36.
Still waiting for the arrival of Jordan Poole Curry, Damion Lee Curry, James Wiseman Worthy, & the next prime TimeLord Marquese Chriss.
Agree, Kuminga has blossomed this year into a nice starter. In a redraft, Podz is a Top 8 pick with TJD going in Round 1. Even Moses Moody has had his moments and is filling out.
Great Year 1 from your new GM, especially unloading Poole's gawd awful contract on the Washington
At some point, Dunleavy has to do something with Klay, Wiggins & Looney? Does he have Brad Steven's stones to move on from the heart & soul of the Warriors
Curry is still great, he deserves better than Play-In road games against other fading superstars.
Because his eye was swollen shut? JFC, the guy has played in 65 of 69 games.
Yup. AD is soft bc the team doctor pulled him to treat his eye. Shove that nerd to the ground and check back in big guy!!
Tatum is 8th, which is a really good number for a guy who used to really fight inconsistency. Bodes well for the playoffs.
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It does feel like those 2-15 games are a thing of the past. The Denver no-show was notable because of how jarring it felt, since he's been way more consistent.
Tatum wasn’t good, and had too many turnovers, but I thought the Celtics and Tatum played into Denver’s hands. Denver loaded up on him anytime he touched it, forced everyone else to beat them, so Joe just had him chilling as a corner spacer, his usage was 4th on the team, at 20% IIRC. He was 3-6 (?) in the first half, which is exactly what Denver was hoping for.
I love that he wants to play within the scheme so often, but he can be too passive at times, and just turning it on mid game isn’t something that you can depend on happening every game. Realistically, you’re not going to beat Denver with Tatum having a 20% usage lol. Even with that, if he just hit that wide open three, they may have won the game.
There was some interesting game tape there for sure.
The weird thing about it is that the Celtics generally love it when teams send 2 to the ball on Tatum, and like to play out of it. Here, however, it felt like it was the first time any of them had seen it. Some of that is definitely Denver's execution and intensity, since it's a base scheme of theirs, but "double and pressure Tatum every time" is supposed to be death against this Celtics team, and instead it was just lots of soft passes into turnovers in the lane.
The fact that solving that pressure would completely decimate Denver is one reason I'm more optimistic than most about this matchup if it repeats in the Finals.
Yeah, makes more sense in this thread, thanks. I’m not sure if JK will be “enough in Year 8” (or Year 9, when he’ll be JB’s current age) but in Year 3, after a bit of a rocky start, he’s been what we all hoped for and more.
Rough season for the Ws overall, tho, as you allude to. The atrocious starts of Wiggins and Klay together with Dray losing his mind put them behind the eight ball out of the gate, and they’ve been scrambling to regain their footing since. Life comes at you fast in the Western Conference.
As far as Steph: one dirty little secret — and I think this applies to LeBron and KD as well — is that as incredible as he still is, he doesn’t *quite* impact wins at a consistently elite superstar level the way he did when he was 27-32 (and the way Jokic does now). It’s just way better to be 25-33 in the NBA than it is to be 20-24 or 34-40. Which is I think one of the biggest reasons this year’s Celtics, with all their core guys at the right age at the same time, have been so dominant.
Also — with Dray and Klay not getting younger, and Loon seemingly aging in dog years — why I’m so tickled that the Warriors’ young core is looking as good as it is. Yeah, all fans think their kids are better than they actually are, but Kuminga (21), Moody (21), Podz (just turned 21) and Jackson-Davis (24) are actually pretty exciting young core, putting up impressive numbers already. It’s when I start throwing Gui Santos on the list that you can fairly invoke the specter of Marquese Chriss (although don’t sleep on Santos!)
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Good win for the Knicks in Sacramento last night. Their big weakness continues to be other guys scoring besides Brunson, Randle is still out and they have yet to adequately replace Quickley's offense, but last night they somehow won with very little help for Brunson scoring. Mike Brown said afterwards that they doubled Brunson more than maybe any opponent (except Curry), he got almost no foul calls (the refs mostly swallowed their whistles all game, only 4 FTs for the constantly penetrating and drawing contact Brunson), and still he shot 17-28 and had 42 of NY's 98 points.
Brunson: 36 minutes, 17-28 FGs, 5-10 from 3, 42 points
rest of the Knicks: 204 minutes, 20-58 FGs, 6-29 from 3, 56 points
NY has another big test in GS on Monday, they desperately need Bogdanovic and/or Burks to start hitting shots off the bench.
Brunson: 36 minutes, 17-28 FGs, 5-10 from 3, 42 points
rest of the Knicks: 204 minutes, 20-58 FGs, 6-29 from 3, 56 points
NY has another big test in GS on Monday, they desperately need Bogdanovic and/or Burks to start hitting shots off the bench.
I feel like nobody gets my “Eight is Enough” reference in that thread title and it’s making me feel old.
Stat inflation has masked the fact that these guys just aren't as good as they once were. Every time I see a tweet comparing someone's stats today to anyone more than 3-4 years ago, it makes me cringe (and comparing them to stats from the early to mid 2000s is almost like going back to the dead ball era in baseball). The 2017 Warriors were undoubtedly the best team of this century, and one of the best ever. They were 1st in offensive rating, at 115.6 - this year, the average offensive rating is 115.5. Curry averaging an efficient 25+ ppg isn't comparable to when he was doing the same 7-8 years ago, even if the stats are the same, the overall impact is far less.
Damn. I missed the reference, but am old enough to have watched the show as a kid!
I hope JB’s year eight is enough … to fill your lives with love. ;-P
The Kings don’t have the 7’-1” wingspanned defensive monster Moses Moody to lock Brunson up (since they picked mighty-mite non-shooter, non-rebounder Davion Mitchell over Moody, Trey Murphy, Jalen Johnson, et al., alas). Hoping the Ws give Moody 15-20 minutes on him again … although knowing Brunson, he may be hoping that too, as he seems kinda “Curry-like” in wanting to go after players who have had success against him.
Such a funny still image from this:
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I am angry at myself for citing Mark Jackson who I really dislike, but mama there goes that man.
Phoenix (with all of Durant/Beal/Booker playing) are down big to the Bucks, playing without Giannis. Rough stretch for Phoenix here against the best in the east, although maybe it was obvious they were due for a downturn after their relatively easy 1st half schedule.
It's also funny how much harder teams get up for it when they play the Celtics, at least to my eyes.
They simply cannot play any D and a team with 4 legit 3 point shooters doesn’t hit them so when they get down big, goodnight.
Phoenix might be able to blow some teams off the court with their offensive talent, but Beal is really ill-fitted as the 3rd star. His only above average skill is scoring, but he's the 3rd best scorer on the team. There are some games where he can keep them afloat (like the 4th quarter today, where there was a 7 minute stretch when only he and Royce O'Neal scored), but he's just a third wheel for them most of the time. It's aesthetically pleasing to see a team that is so good at hitting contested 2's, but unless you're lockdown defensively, it's not gonna work. They shot 59% from the field and 42% from 3, and lost by double digits to the Bucks without Giannis. That's awful. Unsustainably good 3 point shooting by Milwaukee, but most of their 3's were open looks.
Portis with 31 against them, after Horford put up 24. Nurkic's plant yourself in the paint and maybe get a rebound defense might not work against bigs that can shoot.
I understand that he's a former teammate so he's not inclined to say bad things about him (and he's got 3 hours to fill), but Richard Jefferson calling Kyrie Irving a superstar that plays well with every other superstar (and is a perfect fit with Luka) is some truly offensive babbling.
He won a title with LeBron, the Nets were crazy good when healthy, and he is not the first teammate whom Luka has failed to accentuate to the fullest.
I agree it's a bit much, but if we're talking purely on-court and agree to memory-hole Boston, I can squint and see it.
Except for the part about Luka.
It's more the repeated mention of him as a superstar that is incredible to me. Absolutely no one has him as a top 20 player (most rating sites now and before the season have him in the early to mid 30s), he's won two playoff series in the last 6 years, he missed the playoffs entirely last year playing next to a legit MVP candidate, he was traded 13 months ago for role players and a single 1st round pick 6 years out, he loudly shot his way off his last 3 teams, and he's missed an average of 26 games per season over the last 9 years. He's got one of the greatest shots in NBA history on his resume, but if he's a superstar, so are at least 30 other guys.
To be faaaaaaaaiiirrr, it worked against us for a half, and kept them in it despite us shooting the lights out.
Not even sure it would be any different if we'd played Porzingis. We can't shoot any better than we did.
Kyrie with the Dagger. That guy is an A-hole, but that was an artistic basketball assassination.
That is a pretty insane game winner by "Flat earth" Irving.
And I'm here for the "Do the Nuggets have crunch time issues" discussion...
And I'm here for the "Do the Nuggets have crunch time issues" discussion...
And right on cue, he hits an absolutely crazy game-winner:
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Anyone yelling for the Celtics to run real plays (instead of ISOs) in the closing seconds of a tie game should note that doing so absolutely killed Denver here. They had the ball in a tie game and could have run the clock all the way down (1 second difference between the game and shot clock), but they did their pick and roll with Jokic a beat too early, Murray got what was a very good shot, but he missed it and Dallas got the rebound with 2.1 seconds left and a timeout. Enough time to pull this crazy shot off.
DEN-DAL tied; Murray takes a wide-open 12' pull-up with 3 seconds left. He missed and the announcers keep saying that he shot too soon. I think Murray hits about 96 of those shots out of 100.
If only (and they did botch the timing of the final 45 seconds pretty badly), but they also came back down 13 in the 4th quarter, going on a 20-4 run over about 6 minutes until Luka tied it with a deep 3 and 25 seconds left.
In a tie game when the other team has a timeout to advance the ball...eh, I'm not sure. Murray is shooting about 46% this year on those sort of mid-range shots this year (I'm sure it's a bit higher when he's that open), but it wasn't exactly a master class in time management by Denver in the final minute.
Out of a timeout to advance the ball, with shotmakers like Kyrie and Luka? Gotta be around 30%.
The low angle view of the Kyrie shot is insane.
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That's ... something.
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I guess I think it's funny. Why not.
What's some victimless immature fun between 20 year olds?
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Bam had 1 3PM in his first 54 games this year. He's now made them in 3 straight games. If he ever actually developed a 3 point shot, that would be huge for his game. He could be like a super athletic version of Al Horford.
Its hilarious. Only the most control freaky would have a problem with it.
Meh. I love Bam but he's know elements he has to work on for years and hasn't. The cake is baked. He is what he is.
Certainly, it's not 5-15 years ago when big men (Horford, Lopez, Gasol, Bosh) developed 3 point range 10 years into their careers because they didn't know they'd need that sort of range when they were younger. Bam has to have known what is offensive game was missing for awhile now, and he's in year 7. It's just interesting to me that he's made more 3's in the last week than in the previous 4+ months. He'll likely continue to be a smaller, less aggressive version of Dwight Howard offensively.