I don't understand takes like this. like, yeah obviously most players in the NBA couldn't survive losing their shooting but what makes you think that's gonna happen? one bad game?
10/25: Celtics@Knicks
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Jrue and JB also went 1/9 from deep too. Doubt we see that very often.
This game really had loss written all over it.
Those are the wins that I like a lot.
Good win against a good team. I don’t get the negativity in this thread. The Knicks don’t suck. They were a 2nd round playoff team playing their home opener. They shot lights out from 3 and the Celtics still pulled it out.
I like the Knicks players and their coach. Mecca was hopping. It’s too bad we had to do them like we did but they should be used to that.
Porzingis has an incredible economy of movement. It helps to be 13 feet tall of course but it’s kind of like how Al would be of he were 13 feet tall. Keeps his feet, measures the shot, times his jump, makes the block, never even close to a foul.
And on the other end his size alone makes him extremely difficult NOT to foul. You have to body him and make him shoot over you but obviously that takes a lot of beef and some patience.
And on the other end his size alone makes him extremely difficult NOT to foul. You have to body him and make him shoot over you but obviously that takes a lot of beef and some patience.
We are on a prodigious run of near-greatness and high expectations. The nerves are frayed.
Maybe I didn’t respond to the right post but I meant to convey that if both Hauser and Pritchard both have bad shooting games, I am more worried about Pritchard having a negative impact because of his physical deficiencies.
I don’t think there’s anything predictive from tonight, PP is a very good shooter (as is Hauser). I fully expect them both to rebound
KP, Tatum, Horford 10-20 from three.
Everyone else 2-19 from deep. Hauser and Pritchard 0-7 off the bench.
Boston didn’t continue to impose its will on the Knicks. Boston lost its touch from three after Zinger’s hot start, and the Knicks uncharacteristically started hitting theirs.
Porzingis with a huge FU to the Madison Square Garden crowd, with the big scoring night, four blocks, key rebounds 9 FTs, and the dagger three. His plus 13 was the best tonight for either team
Very mature game by Tatum. High scoring with efficiency, solid defense and rebounding. The four TOs were a concern.
Knicks with six more threes than Boston, going 18-41, but were 18-56 from inside the arc, and 14-26 from the FTs. Both teams shot 26 FTs, with Boston making 22, securing a big win.
Everyone else 2-19 from deep. Hauser and Pritchard 0-7 off the bench.
Boston didn’t continue to impose its will on the Knicks. Boston lost its touch from three after Zinger’s hot start, and the Knicks uncharacteristically started hitting theirs.
Porzingis with a huge FU to the Madison Square Garden crowd, with the big scoring night, four blocks, key rebounds 9 FTs, and the dagger three. His plus 13 was the best tonight for either team
Very mature game by Tatum. High scoring with efficiency, solid defense and rebounding. The four TOs were a concern.
Knicks with six more threes than Boston, going 18-41, but were 18-56 from inside the arc, and 14-26 from the FTs. Both teams shot 26 FTs, with Boston making 22, securing a big win.
Nice finish to an otherwise uneven game. Ball movement has to get better. Pick and pop with Porzingis is almost unstoppable.
Defense was very good but they did give up a lot of open looks from 3. Gotta trust the individual D and not over help.
Defense was very good but they did give up a lot of open looks from 3. Gotta trust the individual D and not over help.
Not the prettiest game, but a satisfying win. The team from the last 3 year probably loses this one over half of the time once they go down by a handful. Some stray observations:
- The back to back boneheaded plays by Brown are the kind of things that just kill a team. He was choreographing that bad pass, and the lazy inbound is just brutal.
- Tatum looks like he's leveled up. Sometimes it just seems unfair.
- Hard not to be extremely excited about KP. He won't have an 80% TS or anything, but right now he seems to fit the offense like a glove.
- If KP continues to murder teams, I would expect that to open things up for Brown. Seems like the knicks were respecting him a lot more than they did KP. At some point there will be an adjustment, which should open things up elsewhere.
- I'm somehow even more impressed with Jrue on defense than I expected to be. He is so solid, both in terms of his physicality but also his decision making. I don't remember seeing him on D and thinking he did anything other than the exact right thing.
- On the other end, I find myself a bit underwhelmed by his offense, particularly as a facilitator. There were a few awkward decisions that led to some scrambled possessions (or turnovers). I hoped he would be a more meaningful upgrade over Marcus than he has shown so far, but it is early.
(watching on tape delay)
Horford does the flinch on the free throw taken with 1:26 left in the 3rd. The guy missed it.
Hauser played some good defense tonight.
Horford does the flinch on the free throw taken with 1:26 left in the 3rd. The guy missed it.
Hauser played some good defense tonight.
The defense of the starting back court was pretty impressive. I know the stats will show that the Knicks Gs got hot and scored, but it felt like they were really making them work especially in the first half. The quickness of White and Jrue’s hands was really something to watch. They have to be the quickest pair of feet and hands in the league. Couple that with JT ranging on the perimeter and KP protecting the paint, and it was a thing of beauty for stretches of possessions. Still made some mistakes and fell asleep for a couple 90 second bursts which made this closer than it probably should have been. But ultimately, in a hostile building against a solid team, they were tested and came out with a W in which they executed and made some shots down the stretch. Lastly, not sure how anyone could watch that game and be yearning for Marcus Smart vs Porzingis. Yes the health is always a concern/risk, but he just changes their ceiling.
The player with the biggest contract in the NBA just might be the fifth best valuable player on the Cs. I mean...that can't be right.
But tonight...Tatum, Porzingis, White and Holliday all looked more important to the team' success than Brown. Horford might have an argument for the fifth spot, too.
But tonight...Tatum, Porzingis, White and Holliday all looked more important to the team' success than Brown. Horford might have an argument for the fifth spot, too.
Also, Pritch came off the bench cold in the final seconds and coolly hit two free throws. I was terrified Brown would get fouled, go 0 for 2, and the Knicks would make a walk-off 3-pointer.
This team just seems to have retained some really bad habits from past years. It will be Mazzulla's challenge to see if he can finally be the coach to shake them out of it.
I absolutely hated seeing them start walking the ball up the court in the second quarter. That's usually a sign of bad play and lazy mistakes to come from this team. I was really hoping that Mazzulla would bring out the full court press "curveball", if for no other reason than to force them to run again but I don't recall that happening this game (I did have to miss parts of the third and fourth quarters).
In the end, just one game. Really hoping to see some adjustments to their mindset over the course of the season though...
I absolutely hated seeing them start walking the ball up the court in the second quarter. That's usually a sign of bad play and lazy mistakes to come from this team. I was really hoping that Mazzulla would bring out the full court press "curveball", if for no other reason than to force them to run again but I don't recall that happening this game (I did have to miss parts of the third and fourth quarters).
In the end, just one game. Really hoping to see some adjustments to their mindset over the course of the season though...
It’s how contracts in the NBA work… and also it’s more about how good the team is rather than Brown being bad or less important… after one freakin game…
It's going to be a long season if people are frustrated with a road win against a playoff team.
Agree it's how contracts work; disagree that it's about how good the team is.
JB would have gotten the max even if he were on a bad team putting up what probably would be higher but emptier numbers. I mean would you rather have JB at his contract for the next five years or LaMelo Ball at 5/$260M? At least JB tries on defense.
Yeah.. but game threads on Sosh in general are some of the least intelligent, most negative reactions after every play that doesn’t go exactly right that I’ve seen… on a site that has some of the best analysis and commentary out there in the other threads. I go into them for the joy of watching the game along with a bunch of Celts fans and instead every thread is full of posts ripping on Brown or Tatum or anyone that has an off night.
I was just saying that if one were to agree with the premise of the post that Brown was the fifth most important player on the team (I don’t) that the only reason one could come to that conclusion is because there are a lot of elite players on this team.
I’m perfectly happy with Brown on this team. The pairing of him and Tatum has been pretty exceptional for their careers other than having not won a championship. I think it’s the only option the Celtics had to give him his deal..especially as he and Tatum go into their prime years.
To quote the great Californian poets of recent vintage, James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich , nothing else matters.
He reminded me of Magic Johnson, John Stockton, and Bob Cousy all rolled into one super athlete. His passes were impeccable, no one could have missed with such precision setting them up. If it was Hockey he would be Wayne Gretzky. Jaylen must have been watching a lot of Messi tape to pull off what he did last night. 5 assists in an NBA game is breathtaking stuff. Can’t believe these eyes got to watch it as it was happening. We are just lucky the Supermax cap exists because I don’t think enough money in the world exists to compensate him for how good those passes were.
To me it’s more about how many negative comments there were against Brown even after the game.. shouldn’t we instead be talking about how great KP was on both offense and Defense.. that was a pretty great first game.
After every pass is a brief moment of nirvana knowing he won't be (attempting) dribbling.
I like Jaylen Brown, I don’t know why a bunch of people need to get in their feelings when people get worked up in a game thread after the dude makes 3 brain dead plays in a minute.
I hope he plays better. He did not seem like an optimal fit with the other starters. Seems like wasted minutes. Need to stagger him or something to let him go off when some bench guys are in.
Relax tiger.
Brown worries me because of all of the turnovers and yeah, cause he couldn't really pick up Tatum after the injury in Game 7. But I get it. He was great for large portions of last season, and that is indeed how contracts work in the NBA. I wanted them to sign him and I knew what the price would be, approximately.
But...if you have to have one (and only one) player get hurt and miss significant time, and I magically gave you the ability to choose, would you pick any of Tatum, Porzingis, Holliday or White ahead of Brown?
This made me laugh out loud, thanks!
Having not watched enough Porzingis over the years, I am really excited by his fit with this team. One game and all but adding him to the offense, especially in crunch time, is huge given their end of game execution problems the last few years in the playoffs.
I didn’t mean to come across as condescending re: the contract. I def see your point but I also think Jaylen is being undervalued around here by quite a bit because of his contract. I actually think he’s probably more valuable than both White and Holliday.. the fall off at his position is actually greater I think than if you had to play PP for either White or Drue.
what I’m hoping he gets better at is back cuts to the basket. The more Jaylen and KP get comfortable the more open the lane is going to be wide open and KP is a great passer.
I’m happy they’re all here. and I hope none of them get hurt.
