sure why not? he's better than Jabari, he's better trade filler too.If you are claiming Cousins, do you really want Kanter taking a roster space?
sure why not? he's better than Jabari, he's better trade filler too.If you are claiming Cousins, do you really want Kanter taking a roster space?
Cousins is easily waivable if he has locker room issues (though there's been no indications of that for several years) and as a player he's a very good fit for our bench. He rebounds better than anyone on our team other than Enes, he passes well (his AST% this year is the same as TL, his career numbers are better), he doesn't turn it over much, and he plays good defense.Purely talent-wise Cousins is a better fit than Kanter.
But....
the problem with Cousins is never the talent, it's the rest of it. I get it is not impossible he somehow puts together 30 really good games, but to me nearly the last thing this team needs is a selfish, unreliable, undisciplined addition even if it is a talented one. There's a reason no one signed him (and thus, that we can be pretty sure if he has any trade value it is quite minimal)
Al and TL played together for only 10+ minutes last night and did not play together down the stretch.Technically not "trade" related, but with Ime seemingly committed to "TWO BIGZ NO MATTER WHAT",
Is that true? I thought he got hunted a lot on defense.and he plays good defense.
he's been good this year in MIL system, and both DARKO and RAPTOR have liked his defense the last several years. He's going to have matchup issues at times like most bigs, but off the bench he's pretty solid in a lot more situations than Kanter or JabariIs that true? I thought he got hunted a lot on defense.
He can hit the 3, though, which would be useful as Horford mistakenly left his 3 point shot in his locker in OKC.
This post seems to indicate a misunderstanding of how role players like Grant get shots. 80% of his 2s and 100% of his 3s are assisted. A game where he is "invisible" (at least wrt scoring) is an indictment of his teammates and the creators, and has very little to do with Grant.I don’t disagree in theory but Grant Williams played 22 minutes with 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, and 2 turnovers. He has far too many games where he’s invisible. His efficient shooting percentages are nice but he needs to actually shoot the ball more than a few times a game to be useful.
Hard to feel good about this team at all. They look like Tatum, Brown, and not much else.
unless he's failing to get open. I guess you could put that on the creators. Grant is going to struggle in some match ups though.This post seems to indicate a misunderstanding of how role players like Grant get shots. 80% of his 2s and 100% of his 3s are assisted. A game where he is "invisible" (at least wrt scoring) is an indictment of his teammates and the creators, and has very little to do with Grant.
That is a good point generally but in his case most of his shots involve him sitting in a corner and maybe relocating a few feet to either side. He isn't a prolific cutter and he isn't a great roll man so its not like he normally is generating opportunities for himself with a lot of off ball action.unless he's failing to get open. I guess you could put that on the creators. Grant is going to struggle in some match ups though.
I'm just waiting, I can FEEL the terrible Kings move coming, only question is with whom. I think the only reason they haven't done something stupid yet is they really think they can get Simmons (which would not be stupid). It's early, they're still dreaming of trading Hield and some pieces for Simmons, or Fox for Brown. When those dreams die... that's when it gets interesting.Where only 4 games separate the 5 seed from the 12 seed in the east and 2 games separate the 5th seed and the 9th in the West...
It would probably be a sellers market. While I think the C's should be looking to add players, I don't think they should be opposed to moving players if they are looking like no better than a 9-10 seed come February. This is especially true if it is a seller's market.
edit: The Kings pick this year unprotected has the potential to be really nice. It's probably gettable too.
This is just a dumbass uninformed piece of crap of a post; just a disgrace to the Port Cellar. It is the J.R. Giddens of Schröder takes.So I'd rather watch the marginally more competitive team that includes Schröder that the weaker team that would take the court in the second half of this season if Schröder is traded. I don't know what he'd fetch, but aren't we taking about netting some longshot/ eurostash / Tacko-style project who might -- might -- make the end of the roster in 2024, a latter day Fab Melo? Covid will kill us all by 2025, so let's try to make the second round this year so I can have an extra week of basketball. Schröder, warts and all, is a real NBA player who might go off in a playoff game.
Co-sign!This is just a dumbass uninformed piece of crap of a post; just a disgrace to the Port Cellar. It is the J.R. Giddens of Schröder takes.
Looking at what he "brings" to the table, especially in the Spurs/Knicks debacle pf the last few days, I think you take anything you can for him. Second rounder. Bag of balls.
With Schröder on the floor at crunch time, you have three guys on the court whose instincts are to go iso. And with the Jays and Schröder all taking turns bulling into double- and triple- teams, that leaves Smart drifting on the perimeter (where he isn't that dangerous) and a big trying to get out of the way.
Getting Schröder off the roster is addition by subtractions--now you have only two iso-guys at crunch time, bot of whom still have potential to improve. And maybe with Schröder out of the way, an actual shooter can get on the floor to counter the cacophony of congestion that is the Celtics crunch-time offense. Grant, PP, Richardson...even if they stand in the corner they might pull somebody away from our stars.
I got the #1 pick after 11 tries
Okay, I don't follow college ball at all, but a 7' dude weighing under 2 bills has got to be a real concern.
I suspect the C's won't be adding to the tax bill. DS, due to his salary and his ppg, makes him a more valuable chit.So Schroder for Delon Wright works under the cap.
Probably not a ton of incentive for either side, given ATL may prefer Wright, and the Celtics may not want to add tax for a fit change at backup PG, but he's a guy you CAN play with Smart late in game given he's shot 38% over the last 3 years from 3
You are all noise, no signal, and a fucking moron to boot.With Schröder on the floor at crunch time, you have three guys on the court whose instincts are to go iso. And with the Jays and Schröder all taking turns bulling into double- and triple- teams, that leaves Smart drifting on the perimeter (where he isn't that dangerous) and a big trying to get out of the way.
Dude, criticize the post, not the poster.You are all noise, no signal, and a fucking moron to boot.
Schröder is a flawed player, but when defenses lock down and take away the easy baskets, being able to break your man down off the dribble becomes the most valuable offensive skill on the floor. There are exactly three players on the Celtics roster who have a good enough handle and sufficient hops to beat their man to the rack in the half court:
Tatum
Brown
Schröder
That's it, every other Celtic needs a pick, or motion, or the defender to make a mistake.
So you want to dump one of the few players that can get you a basket in the teeth of the defense because Smart can't hit a three? Because Horford has regressed to the point that nobody guards him more than ten feet from the hoop?
The "problem" with Schröder is that defenses know they can collapse on him and have no fear that they are giving up an open three. Stevens and Ime need to pair Schröder in the backcourt with someone who can shoot, not trade Schröder so as to gratify braying asses who don't understand the game.
when you say "write off this year" do you mean trade short-term assets (Schroder) for future assets (pick/young blocked player)?Ime is still trying to win. I wonder how much longer it has to go for him (and Brad) to write off this year.
My own opinion is that they aren't going to get anything decent enough to make a trade by the deadline but if this trajectory continues, they should commit to figuring out what they have in RL and AN.when you say "write off this year" do you mean trade short-term assets (Schroder) for future assets (pick/young blocked player)?
I hope Brad is working the lines pretty hard now until Feb.10
I doubt they will ever commit to developing Nesmith, PP with big minutes unless forced due to injuries. They'd rather play exp. veterans big minutes for an extra win this season.
They need to trade Schroder because as your post says, he's a terrible fit on the team. Schroder isn't worth building around or bringing in players to "pair" with him. He's a role player and his role has less value on the C's because he's a square peg and the Celtics are round holes.You are all noise, no signal, and a fucking moron to boot.
Schröder is a flawed player, but when defenses lock down and take away the easy baskets, being able to break your man down off the dribble becomes the most valuable offensive skill on the floor. There are exactly three players on the Celtics roster who have a good enough handle and sufficient hops to beat their man to the rack in the half court:
Tatum
Brown
Schröder
That's it, every other Celtic needs a pick, or motion, or the defender to make a mistake.
So you want to dump one of the few players that can get you a basket in the teeth of the defense because Smart can't hit a three? Because Horford has regressed to the point that nobody guards him more than ten feet from the hoop?
The "problem" with Schröder is that defenses know they can collapse on him and have no fear that they are giving up an open three. Stevens and Ime need to pair Schröder in the backcourt with someone who can shoot, not trade Schröder so as to gratify braying asses who don't understand the game.
This team wins/loses based on Tatum/Brown's performance and that's probably how they think.I am fine with “assessing” the Romeo’s and Nesmith’s of the world; with the likely ancillary benefit of improving the teams draft pick for next year. The challenge there remains what the Jay’s think about what would probably be seen as punting this season.
Wasn't he quoting his own post?Dude, criticize the post, not the poster.
The other guy has one thing correct. Yes, DS is one of the few guys who can break the defender down but if he's not getting the ball in crunch time, he's not breaking anyone down.
Just by way of offense, playing DS and MS together at crunch time with the Jays doing most of the ball handling is suboptimal. (I agree that there are defensive reasons that might argue for both being on the floor.)
Ime is still trying to win. I wonder how much longer it has to go for him (and Brad) to write off this year.
I think he's done it several times. Confused if this is performance art or if there's something in the water I'm drinking...Wasn't he quoting his own post?
Confident players ask out of what they deem to be non ideal situations all the time; presumably it’s not due to a lack of confidence in their own skills but of those around them (both on and off the court). I have no idea as to the mental state of anyone on the team but if fans have concerns about the future of the team and it’s ability to win, I suspect those in the team may as well.This hand wringing worrying about the JAYs mental state after trades/roster construction is absurd. Of course, Brad is in contact with them and their agents about the roster. Heck, he canvassed them and Smart about IME pre-hire.
"Jane, you ignorant slut!"I think he's done it several times. Confused if this is performance art or if there's something in the water I'm drinking...
They pissed away too many assets over the years. Getting no value out of RL+AN for a combined 4 seasons has hurt them a lot. We've moved on from them to dreaming on Begarin. Unfortunately, the cellar has had to dream on rookies and young players because the team has lost too much talent for nothing.The teams future seemed a lot brighter a few years ago than it does now.
Trading DS will have zero effect on this team's future, if anything it would improve it.Confident players ask out of what they deem to be non ideal situations all the time; presumably it’s not due to a lack of confidence in their own skills but of those around them (both on and off the court). I have no idea as to the mental state of anyone on the team but if fans have concerns about the future of the team and it’s ability to win, I suspect those in the team may as well.
The teams future seemed a lot brighter a few years ago than it does now.
forget it, he's rollingI think he's done it several times. Confused if this is performance art or if there's something in the water I'm drinking...
It’s funny bc I’ve never been a big Schroder guy but I wanted him here at the end of the summer bc his skillset is one that we desperately lack. We have no other PG on the roster capable of playing effective starters min against majority of teams (there are select matchups you can get by with Smart/PP but they are few) and as was discussed above we have nobody else outside of JT/JB who can break down their man and certainly not another PG.They need to trade Schroder because as your post says, he's a terrible fit on the team. Schroder isn't worth building around or bringing in players to "pair" with him. He's a role player and his role has less value on the C's because he's a square peg and the Celtics are round holes.
Agreed. So do we forfeit the rest of the game? Tell JT and JB to coast since we aren’t going to try and win? Don’t make me post Herm Edwards clips all day! This season matters to those in the trenches……they aren’t like us who can simply log off or turn the channel. Tons of dollars at stake too.Trading DS will have zero effect on this team's future, if anything it would improve it.
No, we don't forfeit the season. Brad will access where they are by Feb. 10 and make the moves that make the C's better. I still like the work he did last summer. Continue to play hard and try to implement Ime's system. I don't even think it's an effort thing this seasonAgreed. So do we forfeit the rest of the game? Tell JT and JB to coast since we aren’t going to try and win? Don’t make me post Herm Edwards clips all day! This season matters to those in the trenches……they aren’t like us who can simply log off or turn the channel. Tons of dollars at stake too.
The only way it makes sense (assuming a limited return) is if done as part of a full blow up over the next 8 months. As much as I’d like to see this it is doubtful Wyc gives Brad the go ahead here as he would have to Ainge with the trust that was built up. Major financial and brand implications if a blowup fails. I don’t feel this is why Brad was hired. Who knows though.
Can't see that happening. Worst case someone will take Schroder for free (likely you'd get 2nd or 2 minimum honestly).What worries me is how much this team is going to be willing to give up in draft capital to move off of Hernangomez to get under the tax.
I get the idea that the draft doesn't really help this core, but I'm personally at the point where I am looking past this core to what might happen if they can't resign brown/tatum demands trade.
It is very fucking weirdI think he's done it several times. Confused if this is performance art or if there's something in the water I'm drinking...
Trying to encapsulate all the madness that is the Port Cellar in his own posts. I'm impressed.It is very fucking weird
hard no on trading Smart for JinglesI'm not usually the kind of guy that suggests trades, but here's a plan going forward I'll submit for the rest of you to savage:
Two separate deals. Smart to Utah for Ingles + draft equity. Pritchard (or whoever Dallas wants among Nesmith, Langford, Pritchard) + draft equity to Dallas for Brunson, or expanded into a 3 way with OKC to get off of Hernangomez (and under the tax), especially if Dallas likes a player on OKC instead. Smart is a better fit in Utah coming off the bench, and they need another perimeter defender to be a legit title contender in my opinion (plus there's the Ainge connection). Pritchard fits next to Doncic because he can shoot and Doncic is big enough to address the size issues of Pritchard playing the 2.
Brunson satisfies the need the Celtics have for a point guard and letting Ingles walk creates the cap room to resign him.
You don’t want to re-sign Ingles because he’s already 34. Who the hell wants his ages 35-37 seasons? That essentially amounts to moving Marcus for air and the hope that you can sign someone really good with the MLE after. And hope is not a plan.I'm not usually the kind of guy that suggests trades, but here's a plan going forward I'll submit for the rest of you to savage:
Two separate deals. Smart to Utah for Ingles + draft equity. Pritchard (or whoever Dallas wants among Nesmith, Langford, Pritchard) + draft equity to Dallas for Brunson, or expanded into a 3 way with OKC to get off of Hernangomez (and under the tax), especially if Dallas likes a player on OKC instead. Smart is a better fit in Utah coming off the bench, and they need another perimeter defender to be a legit title contender in my opinion (plus there's the Ainge connection). Pritchard fits next to Doncic because he can shoot and Doncic is big enough to address the size issues of Pritchard playing the 2.
Brunson satisfies the need the Celtics have for a point guard and letting Ingles walk creates the cap room to resign him.
If Ingles was 7 years younger, he would be a perfect return for Smart. A playmaker who can shoot would be ideal. But he is 34, he's already slowed and a cliff rapidly approaches.I'm not usually the kind of guy that suggests trades, but here's a plan going forward I'll submit for the rest of you to savage:
Two separate deals. Smart to Utah for Ingles + draft equity. Pritchard (or whoever Dallas wants among Nesmith, Langford, Pritchard) + draft equity to Dallas for Brunson, or expanded into a 3 way with OKC to get off of Hernangomez (and under the tax), especially if Dallas likes a player on OKC instead. Smart is a better fit in Utah coming off the bench, and they need another perimeter defender to be a legit title contender in my opinion (plus there's the Ainge connection). Pritchard fits next to Doncic because he can shoot and Doncic is big enough to address the size issues of Pritchard playing the 2.
Brunson satisfies the need the Celtics have for a point guard and letting Ingles walk creates the cap room to resign him.
I thought he meant letting Ingles walk so they can re-sign Brunson, but yeah. The Mavs aren't dumping Brunson.You don’t want to re-sign Ingles because he’s already 34. Who the hell wants his ages 35-37 seasons? That essentially amounts to moving Marcus for air and the hope that you can sign someone really good with the MLE after. And hope is not a plan.
There’s a 0% chance that the Mavs swap a legit NBA player for Payton Pritchard (I hate that pick more every time I watch Jaden McDaniels play) or even Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith. Or all three for that matter. That’d require a lot of draft capital. Which is a waste if the return’s Jalen Brunson.