2014 Cowboys: Deja vu all over again

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I actually think this was the right decision.  Ware has been beat up the last couple of seasons and lost a great deal of his effectiveness because of it.  But the guy was a great player for the Cowboys and so it's sad in that regard.
 

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Oh, no doubt it was the correct decision. It just sucks that it became necessary because of the stupid contracts given to the likes of Doug Free and Miles Austin (and Tony Romo, to a lesser extent). Fortunately, Austin has also been released but the cap savings can't be used until May, if I'm understanding the "post-June 1 cut" designation correctly.
 
Ware will still be a good player for a few more years but he's no longer a cornerstone player to whom you can pay $13 million per season. Nevertheless, as bad as the defense was last season, it's probably now going to be even worse for the foreseeable future because this team will not be able to competently draft replacements for Ware and Hatcher - or Spencer, for that matter.
 

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Oh, no doubt it was the correct decision. It just sucks that it became necessary because of the stupid contracts given to the likes of Doug Free and Miles Austin (and Tony Romo, to a lesser extent). Fortunately, Austin has also been released but the cap savings can't be used until May, if I'm understanding the "post-June 1 cut" designation correctly.
 
Ware will still be a good player for a few more years but he's no longer a cornerstone player to whom you can pay $13 million per season. Nevertheless, as bad as the defense was last season, it's probably now going to be even worse for the foreseeable future because this team will not be able to competently draft replacements for Ware and Hatcher - or Spencer, for that matter.
 
Agreed. I'm actually surprised that GM Jerry pulled the trigger. Bottom line is that Ware wasn't worth that kind of money given our salary cap situation. Wherever he goes, he's going to be a monster next season. Hopefully it's not somewhere in the NFC East.
 
Unfortunately, this move doesn't do anything but make us worse next season and really doesn't help in the long term. Too much money tied up in too few players and with a paper thin roster, there's too many holes that need patching. Now one of our most valuable players in one of the thinnest places on the roster is gone. They have to sign a FA to make up for some of that lost production and hope that they hit a home run in the draft to even be competitive next season. GM Jerry continues to make this team just good enough to compete but not good enough to seriously contend. I wonder if that's why we keep ending up at 8-8 and are only in the playoff conversation due to Daniel Snyder's incompetence and the Giants ageing roster.   And GM Jerry lacks the stones to blow up the roster, fix the salay cap and rebuild through the draft.  So we'll just keep restructuring deals every offseason to clear off enough space to sign a few middling players in FA and pray for help in the draft.
 
HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS!
 

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And in a move worthy of a reaction inspired by the name of the draft subforum, they have also signed Terrell McClain.
 
While they're dumping expensive luxuries, isn't it time to dump Kyle Orton's stupid contract? I know this will sound really crazy because they're basically the same age but I like the idea of them bringing in Brandon Weeden on a cheap contract. Trading expensive veterans for cheaper players with upside is exactly the kind of thing a cap strapped team like the Cowboys should be doing. I know Weeden sucked in Cleveland but if he starts Week 17 for the Cowboys, isn't the end result the same anyway?
 
Obviously, my preference would be for them to pick a quarterback in one of the first two rounds but the ship is sinking and they need help in so many areas that it's almost pointless to spend those resources on that position. Which, of course, means they'll be drafting a tight end in one of the first three rounds.
 
Fuck me.
 

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Oh, no doubt it was the correct decision. It just sucks that it became necessary because of the stupid contracts given to the likes of Doug Free and Miles Austin (and Tony Romo, to a lesser extent). Fortunately, Austin has also been released but the cap savings can't be used until May, if I'm understanding the "post-June 1 cut" designation correctly.
 
Ware will still be a good player for a few more years but he's no longer a cornerstone player to whom you can pay $13 million per season. Nevertheless, as bad as the defense was last season, it's probably now going to be even worse for the foreseeable future because this team will not be able to competently draft replacements for Ware and Hatcher - or Spencer, for that matter.
 
Really?  I think it is another in the line of ego-driven crappy decisions.  Scenario was probably: Jones asks Ware to take a significant pay cut. Ware correctly figures that he is being paid approximately market value for this year (12M), so maybe he is amenable to a restructure without taking the significant haircut that Jerry wants. Jerry needs to win the battle (and needs cap space), so he cuts him.  The problem is that by cutting him the savings is only 7.4 M in cap space and I doubt the Cowboys will be able to replace Ware's 2014 production for that 7.4 in cap space especially with the current market for premier pass rushers.
 
Granted, I don't know if Ware would have restructured or extended at a lower rate to decrease the cap hit by a couple million.  But that would have been a much better way to go.  In addition, if nothing could be accomplished via restructure, why not at least try to trade Ware to a team with cap space? He was owed 12M for next year, which is not an unreasonable 1 yr contract (the cap hit of 16 would have been the problem for any team close to the cap).  I would think he would have returned a fairly valuable draft pick.
 

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Cowboys reportedly said they think they can replace Ware's production with 3 low cost DL options in aggregate.
 
Er maybe, but that seems optimistic.
 

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Really?  I think it is another in the line of ego-driven crappy decisions.  Scenario was probably: Jones asks Ware to take a significant pay cut. Ware correctly figures that he is being paid approximately market value for this year (12M), so maybe he is amenable to a restructure without taking the significant haircut that Jerry wants. Jerry needs to win the battle (and needs cap space), so he cuts him.  The problem is that by cutting him the savings is only 7.4 M in cap space and I doubt the Cowboys will be able to replace Ware's 2014 production for that 7.4 in cap space especially with the current market for premier pass rushers.
 
Granted, I don't know if Ware would have restructured or extended at a lower rate to decrease the cap hit by a couple million.  But that would have been a much better way to go.  In addition, if nothing could be accomplished via restructure, why not at least try to trade Ware to a team with cap space? He was owed 12M for next year, which is not an unreasonable 1 yr contract (the cap hit of 16 would have been the problem for any team close to the cap).  I would think he would have returned a fairly valuable draft pick.
 
The bolded is pretty much what I said. It became necessary due to the stupid contracts he has handed out to mediocre players who have one good year. If dead weight such as Doug Free and Miles Austin aren't taking up so much cap space, don't you think they could have afforded to keep Ware? It's not the paying of their superstar players that's hurting the Cowboys, it's the overpaying of mediocre players who have no chance of living up to their contracts that's doing it.
 
Jerry said that 2013 was his best job as GM of the team but the fallout from that season is going to cripple the franchise for the next five years. And it's all because he's too God damned arrogant to recognize the single most important thing about running a team in this era: you HAVE to build your team through the draft. But he continues to throw away money on expensive veterans and, on the few occasions when one of their draft picks shows signs of becoming a solid contributor, he overpays them too. It's the same shit that's been going on for going on 20 years now, hence the title of the thread. It's no coincidence that the only times the team has been healthy cap-wise was during the times of the rosters built by Johnson and Parcells. Outside of that, Jerry has always run amok with his spending.
 
I completely agree that Ware should have been traded. I've been saying it for over two years now that the only way to turn the franchise around was to trade one of their cornerstone players while they still had massive value. But now the team is getting old and the only player who might at least have marginal trade value is Dez Bryant - we all know he's not going anywhere, however. Jerry doesn't learn, so whatever the logical course of action would be, expect him to do the exact opposite.
 
Edit - Almost forgot, your scenario is pretty much exactly how it played out. Jerry asked Ware to restructure his contract but it would have resulted in a pay decrease, so Ware told him to go screw. And now here we are.
 

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Serious question: do you guys read the Patriots threads about free agency and if so, do you want to, like, stab the complainers in the throat?
 

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Serious question: do you guys read the Patriots threads about free agency and if so, do you want to, like, stab the complainers in the throat?
 
I've long made it a policy to stay out of the Patriots-centric threads. They always devolve into a circle jerk about Belichick or "Player X is available, we should get him!" There are some very good posters in this forum but I find the Pats threads to be mostly noise.
 
My more direct answer to your question is: Yes, I'd like to stab the complainers in the throat.
 

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I said kicked in the nuts last night but my initial thought was stabbed in the throat.
 

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Mincey and McClain are just rotational depth and apparently only cost $1.5 million against the cap this season. I actually like the moves. The rotational depth we were trotting out there last seaosn were completely underwhelming. Hopefully they're patient and sit back and see where the pass rusher market goes. If they're patient, they could conceievably land somoeone like Peppers on a reasonable deal. Melton makes a ton of sense but the market may price him out of our range. They're simply going to have to kill it in the draft to compete with the Eagles in the NFC East.
 

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While they're dumping expensive luxuries, isn't it time to dump Kyle Orton's stupid contract? I know this will sound really crazy because they're basically the same age but I like the idea of them bringing in Brandon Weeden on a cheap contract. Trading expensive veterans for cheaper players with upside is exactly the kind of thing a cap strapped team like the Cowboys should be doing. I know Weeden sucked in Cleveland but if he starts Week 17 for the Cowboys, isn't the end result the same anyway?
 
I posted about this in one of the Pats threads - so you didn't see it - but yeah, WTF is going on? It actually does save them some money against the cap ($1M) and it ensures any evidence (or dead money) is gone after this season. I do not get it at all. 
 

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Mincey and McClain are just rotational depth and apparently only cost $1.5 million against the cap this season. I actually like the moves. The rotational depth we were trotting out there last seaosn were completely underwhelming. Hopefully they're patient and sit back and see where the pass rusher market goes. If they're patient, they could conceievably land somoeone like Peppers on a reasonable deal. Melton makes a ton of sense but the market may price him out of our range. They're simply going to have to kill it in the draft to compete with the Eagles in the NFC East.
 
I don't have a problem with rotational depth such as it is, but I don't want to be fed a line of bullshit about it. I don't need Jerry telling me that Mincey is some sort of replacement for DeMarcus Ware. One is left to think one of two things: A) he thinks we're a bunch of idiots who believe everything he says or B) he's an idiot and actually believes that. If there's one thing I hate more than Jerry's mismanagement of the team, it's his constant sugar-coating of the stupid shit he does over and over again.
 
As I said before, barring the team acing the draft (but Jerry will be long dead before that ever happens again), the defense is going to be terrible yet again because Jerry missed the boat again. He went from building a top-heavy defense to trying to build one that's a little deeper but will lack the top level talent to bring it out of the bottom third in the league.
 
As an aside, what's the over/under on the word "again" being used in this thread? 500,000? 1,000,000?
 
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I posted about this in one of the Pats threads - so you didn't see it - but yeah, WTF is going on? It actually does save them some money against the cap ($1M) and it ensures any evidence (or dead money) is gone after this season. I do not get it at all. 
 
I'll tell you what's going on: people keep showing up to Cowboys games. The only thing that will knock Jerry out of his perpetual state of GFIN is for people to stop lining his pockets. Until that day comes, the roster will be filled with high-priced veterans that were signed because some flaw was exposed the previous year (Brandon Carr and Kyle Orton to name two). As we already know, those deals rarely pan out but if the end result is making more money, why would the powers that be care about whether it was a good on-field decision? Signing the Brandon Carrs of the world gets people interested in the team and sells tickets. Contrary to what Jerry would have us believe, that's all he really cares about.
 

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Signing the Brandon Carrs of the world gets people interested in the team and sells tickets. Contrary to what Jerry would have us believe, that's all he really cares about.
 
He kind of let it slip after the Green Bay game last year that the show and entertainment are all we should care about.
 

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Our long national nightmare is over. Cowboys have signd NFL icon and Cleveland Browns legend BRANDON WEEDEN TO A TWO YEAR DEAL
 
I would assume that this means that Orton is retiring. Becasue If he's not, this makes absolutely no sense. I think this also means that we're not looking to draft a QB. Which is a shame because there quite a few people that would be available in the later rounds that have some potential.
 

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Our long national nightmare is over. Cowboys have signd NFL icon and Cleveland Browns legend BRANDON WEEDEN TO A TWO YEAR DEAL
 
I would assume that this means that Orton is retiring. Becasue If he's not, this makes absolutely no sense. I think this also means that we're not looking to draft a QB. Which is a shame because there quite a few people that would be available in the later rounds that have some potential.
 
Orton isn't retiring if he has to play back $3 million of his $5 million bonus if he does.  
 

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Orton isn't retiring if he has to play back $3 million of his $5 million bonus if he does.  
 
Yes, that was my initial reaction. I knew he had a large financial disencentive if he retired. But I'm trying to understand why they are going to use up some of their limited cap space to sign a 31 year old QB (so hardly developmental) who is 5-15 as an NFL starter when they have a capable back up already on the roster that makes a lot of money. In the words of the South Park Wookie Defense; "IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE." So, if you remove the impossible from the equation, whatever left, however improbable, must be true. I mean, it's impossible that GM Jerry is THAT dumb, right?
 
Or at least that's what I will keep telling myself.
 

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Our long national nightmare is over. Cowboys have signd NFL icon and Cleveland Browns legend BRANDON WEEDEN TO A TWO YEAR DEAL
 
I would assume that this means that Orton is retiring. Becasue If he's not, this makes absolutely no sense. I think this also means that we're not looking to draft a QB. Which is a shame because there quite a few people that would be available in the later rounds that have some potential.
My condolences. If Romo ever gets hurt get ready for Weeden to stare down Dez Bryant. My god...
 

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Yes, that was my initial reaction. I knew he had a large financial disencentive if he retired. But I'm trying to understand why they are going to use up some of their limited cap space to sign a 31 year old QB (so hardly developmental) who is 5-15 as an NFL starter when they have a capable back up already on the roster that makes a lot of money. In the words of the South Park Wookie Defense; "IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE." So, if you remove the impossible from the equation, whatever left, however improbable, must be true. I mean, it's impossible that GM Jerry is THAT dumb, right?
 
Or at least that's what I will keep telling myself.
 
The other thing I guess it could be is that Romo's back is not healing or is worse than they've been saying.
 

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My condolences. If Romo ever gets hurt get ready for Weeden to stare down Dez Bryant. My god...
 
 
QB and WR on the same OK ST team for a year.  You might be overplaying it a bit.
 

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QB and WR on the same OK ST team for a year.  You might be overplaying it a bit.
 
This is precisely why I'm on board with Weeden (I even said so upthread). Maybe Weeden was a product of a college offense but he wasn't exactly playing on the "Greatest Show on Turf" over there in Cleveland. He would have many more weapons at his disposal in Dallas, not to mention a - gasp - better offensive line. Then again, maybe Weeden is what he was in Cleveland and he'll be a miserable failure in Dallas too. But this team desperately needs to punt some veterans and get cheaper if they have any hope of recovering from this downward spiral in which they've found themselves. Bringing in cheap guys with upside, like Weeden, is exactly what the Cowboys should be doing, not sniffing around guys like Jared Allen.
 
As for Orton, that remains to be seen but I seriously doubt he's on the roster come August. I'm guessing he'll be cut after June 1.
 

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This is precisely why I'm on board with Weeden (I even said so upthread). Maybe Weeden was a product of a college offense but he wasn't exactly playing on the "Greatest Show on Turf" over there in Cleveland. He would have many more weapons at his disposal in Dallas, not to mention a - gasp - better offensive line. Then again, maybe Weeden is what he was in Cleveland and he'll be a miserable failure in Dallas too. But this team desperately needs to punt some veterans and get cheaper if they have any hope of recovering from this downward spiral in which they've found themselves. Bringing in cheap guys with upside, like Weeden, is exactly what the Cowboys should be doing, not sniffing around guys like Jared Allen.
 
As for Orton, that remains to be seen but I seriously doubt he's on the roster come August. I'm guessing he'll be cut after June 1.
 
I dunno....seems pretty telling that Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer both looked clearly superior to Weeden, and Josh Gordon is a pretty nice target by the way. I think his suck level is pretty high. Still, a backup is a backup. The question becomes why have him and Orton, of course.
 

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I dunno....seems pretty telling that Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer both looked clearly superior to Weeden, and Josh Gordon is a pretty nice target by the way. I think his suck level is pretty high. Still, a backup is a backup. The question becomes why have him and Orton, of course.
 
You're also talking about a guy in his second season vs guys in their 8th and 5th seasons, respectively (I know Hoyer never played much but there is something to be said for learning under Tom Brady for three seasons). That's not to say Weeden is without his faults but there may still be a serviceable career to be salvaged from him. Even if it is just as a backup.
 
I know Gordon is a nice weapon but outside of him, the Browns had absolutely nothing. Throw a complete lack of a running game on top of it and it's easy to see why Cleveland's offense was so terrible. It's not a stretch to say that the offense he's going to is a massive improvement (though the organization as a whole is no less of a disaster).
 

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Dallas has signed Henry Melton
 

The contract is reportedly a one-year deal with a club option for three more, depending on Melton's performance in 2014. The price figures to be a bit lower than expected for one of the league's top defensive tackles, as Melton missed the majority of 2013 with an ACL injury. Financial details have not been disclosed, but Melton's price tag would increase if he is brought back.
 
 
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-DavidHelman/Cowboys-Add-Pro-Bowl-DT-Marinelli-Pupil-Henry-Melton/474d9bd3-dd7d-435b-a3ac-42ecfe041df3
 

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The Ft Worth Star-Telegram has their first mock draft up. It's not likely that they'd draft another offensive lineman in the first round but I would not complain about this:
 
 
16. Dallas – Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan: Donald would be the pick if he was on the board, but he’s not. Lewan and Zack Martin likely are higher on the Cowboys’ draft board than Ealy, allowing Doug Free to move to guard.
 
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/04/10/5727804/charean-williams-nfl-mock-draft.html
 

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I don't see how the Cowboys can go wrong if they draft a tackle in the first round. Kicking Free inside is just one benefit; keeping Romo healthy is also an imperative, as is giving him more time to find Bryant. 
 
Now watch them trade up to draft Manziel when he slides out of the top ten.
 

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I don't see how the Cowboys can go wrong if they draft a tackle in the first round. Kicking Free inside is just one benefit; keeping Romo healthy is also an imperative, as is giving him more time to find Bryant. 
 
Now watch them trade up to draft Manziel when he slides out of the top ten.
 
I'd be ok with any tackle, either offensive or defensive. They need help on both lines.
 
They're going to end up with either Manziel or Clinton-Dix, though. I just know it.
 

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WFAN released the Giant schedule. Their last game is against the Eagles. So congratulations to the Redskins on winning the NFC East this year.
 

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Good Christ, five night games? Only the Cowboys would manage that after going 8-8 for three consecutive seasons.
 
Looks like they'll break that streak this year. With that roster, I'd be surprised if they finished that schedule better than 6-10.
 

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Well the Cowboys take Zack Martin, T, ND at #16. Looks like they're going to move him to guard . Seen a lot of comments that he projects as a consistent Pro Bowler on the interior. I have to admit, I had a creeping sense of dread as I saw Manziel plummet down the board. The pick, along with their smart offseason moves, says a lot about the direction the team is going in. The bad news is that the team is going to have to dig out from under GM Jerry's ineptitude for the next few years. Was bummed to see Jimmy Ward come off the board in the 1st. Was hoping to snag him later on. Plenty of depth on the DL in round 2. Would like to see Jernigan, Lawrence or Ealy in the second. Hopefully they don't screw it up in the next couple of days.
 

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I think you have to be happy that they didn't do anything crazy stupid given it ended up being easier to do a Jerry than not.
People being critical of them not taking Jonny football are crazy and don't understand the cap.
 

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People being critical of them not taking Jonny football are crazy and don't understand the cap.
 
I'm not so sure it was a cap-related decision. The new rookie wage scale makes it so that taking a quarterback there wouldn't have crippled the team's salary cap. No, I think there are two reasons why Manziel wasn't taken:
 
1) Tony Romo - it wasn't long ago that Jerry said he was going to make the team more "Romo-friendly". Drafting a quarterback in the middle of the first round (the risks of taking a quarterback there, aside) would have been the antithesis of that.
2) Johnny Manziel is a fucking idiot - Romo used to get crucified here in Dallas for the way he embraced his newfound celebrity. Despite that, he's managed to put together a pretty decent career - fuckups at the worst possible moment, notwithstanding. Manziel, as the heir apparent quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, would have been a clusterfuck of epic proportions. We're talking PacMan Jones level of stupidity. Since Sheriff Goodell would have kept a watchful eye on that situation, I think it's best for all parties involved that he ply his trade in the NFL wasteland known as Cleveland.
 
Hey, it's possible he may have a very good career and hold a grudge against Dallas the way Randy Moss did. If that parallel to the 1998 draft holds true, I hope the other half of it does too: the guy the Cowboys took instead of Moss, Greg Ellis, put together a nice career, himself. Here's hoping Martin can do the same.
 
Edit-Naturally, Jerry is being crucified today for taking Martin over Manziel. It's a cruel, cruel world in which we're living when I have to defend something Jerry Jones has done.
 

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Not taking JF was the right move. Not sure if Martin was also the right move though. Dallas needs help with their Dline and safeties first imho. Pryor and Haha were both on the board. 
 

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Not taking JF was the right move. Not sure if Martin was also the right move though. Dallas needs help with their Dline and safeties first imho. Pryor and Haha were both on the board. 
Defense is definitely a need, but OL is too and a lot of folks had Martin as BPA.
 
It might not work out, but Jones has avoided the flashy picks in the last two drafts, trading back last year and using two firsts on (probably) interior OL. That flies in the face of his rep.
 

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Defense is definitely a need, but OL is too and a lot of folks had Martin as BPA.
 
It might not work out, but Jones has avoided the flashy picks in the last two drafts, trading back last year and using two firsts on (probably) interior OL. That flies in the face of his rep.
 
Right. People keep pointing at the OL last year and how well they played down the stretch but it took some best-case scenario guard play for that to happen. Not to mention the fact that they remained relatively healthy. OL was not one of those needs that had the pundits drooling but they were one injury away from having a shit offensive line to go with their shit defense. Might as well shore up the unit that could keep the time afloat, no?
 
Put another way, the offense was probably one player away from being a legitimate unit. With that said, they better be drafting a whole boat load of defensive players this weekend.
 

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So here's the thing... top defensive talent was available and the dropoff in safety was steep. Meanwhile there are a ton of good OL prospects. Like I said in the other thread - I LIKE JJ going for OLINE! I really do! But not in the 1st. If Martin plays guard Dallas is looking at a good OL. But they better hit on D.
 
Basically, SN and Bosoxen - it's all about scarcity. If you have 2 needs
 
Need 1
Player A: 99
Play B: 95
Player C: 93
Player D: 92
 
Need 2:
Player A: 95
Player B: 92
Player C: 84
Player D: 80
 
To maximize value you SHOULD choose a player from Need 2 first assuming at least one of the guys from Need 1 will be there in the 2nd round. In the Cowboys case I would say OL is Need 1 and Safety is Need 2 (in this hypothetical). I also think it is safe to assume the depth and availability of players in Need 1 will be there when the Cowboys pick next.
 

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So here's the thing... top defensive talent was available and the dropoff in safety was steep. Meanwhile there are a ton of good OL prospects. Like I said in the other thread - I LIKE JJ going for OLINE! I really do! But not in the 1st. If Martin plays guard Dallas is looking at a good OL. But they better hit on D.
I don't see OL as deep as you do. I agree safety is shallow. I also agree the rest of the draft is key here - if they nab Terrence Brooks and an edge rusher in the next two rounds, it's going to look pretty good, but if they miss out on safety entirely it's more of a head-scratcher.
 

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I was for taking Manziel (or a safety)...yes, Romo's contract is a disaster, but a bad back knocked Troy Aikman out of the league at 34 and the Cowboys spent the next umpteen years looking for a replacement.
 
Guess what?  Romo has a bad back and is 34.  One well-placed hit, and we're not taking about Tony Romo's contract; we're talking about Tony Romo retiring.
 

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To give some context there a buddy on FB posted this some time ago:
 

"There are a lot of people that believe the concussions led to my retirement, but nothing could be further from the truth," Aikman said. "I then, nor now, have ever experienced anything that had to deal with the concussions. I had surgery back when I was 26. I was young when I had my first back surgery following our first Super Bowl victory and didn't miss any time for it.
"Then, going into my last year, I was having some back issues," Aikman said. "I took epidural shots, as I understand Tony [Romo] had this week, and the first time I took them was before the Jacksonville game that season in 2000, and I remember on the day of the game, waking up, and I'd never felt better for a game in my life. My back felt pain free for the first time in years. And in the first quarter, we completely turned Tony Brackens loose and he slammed me on the turf right flat on my back, and immediately, my back went into spasms. I was done for the day. So that good feeling lasted about half of a quarter. And I took shots the following week hoping that I could recapture the pain-free symptoms, and it never took again. So, that is why I retired."
So should Jerry Jones worry that another of his prized quarterbacks is facing back issues?
"I think it would be a concern of mine if I was with the Cowboys, having back surgery once again and at his age," Aikman said. "It could be a factor going forward as far as his performance."
 
 

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I hear what you're saying, SMU, but drafting for need is part of what got the Cowboys in this predicament to begin with. The only way to draft consistently well is to always, always, ALWAYS draft the best player available. Quibbles about their draft board, aside, the Cowboys did that last night. I cannot and will not fault them for that. Especially considering their recent, sordid drafting history.
 

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Bosoxen said:
I hear what you're saying, SMU, but drafting for need is part of what got the Cowboys in this predicament to begin with. The only way to draft consistently well is to always, always, ALWAYS draft the best player available. Quibbles about their draft board, aside, the Cowboys did that last night. I cannot and will not fault them for that. Especially considering their recent, sordid drafting history.
 
I'm very sympathetic to BPA and on a more complete team I'd say that's a valid strategy. 
 
A few things with BPA:
 
I'm coming at this from a different perspective.
 
1) I would rather draft for greatest incrementality which is how much of an incremental upgrade over current assets considering things like length of contract, importance of position, salary, etc.
 
2) Let's pretend Taylor Lewan was BPA at pick 11. It made absolutely no sense for the Titans to take him given their current offensive line. You're basically giving up a year of possible incremental gain for another guy and Lewan or one of your other high paid assets gets bench time. Your incremental gain could be a negative when you factor into that the salary costs of a benched player.
 
3) If you model expected incremental value and want to maximize the overall pool of talent you get from a draft you use my strategy and not BPA - now BPA could line up with the way I'd do it but that is just coincidence if that is the case. But I guarantee you the incremental approach should yield, on average, a better draft than just BPA. 
 
4) The last part of the incremental strategy is a bit subjective because you have to look at positional scarcity in the draft and try to predict what talents will be left when you pick next. That's the biggest drawback to it. You have a lot of unknowns. Now I'd argue that last night it was pretty obvious that safety was a shallow pool but interior OL a deeper one.
 
 
Both models have drawbacks. With incrementality you risk not being able to predict how many talents will drop to you. I think this risk is somewhat overblown though as you'd have various positions and can practically guarantee at least one of the picks you like will be there by sheer volume alone. With BPA you have redundancy issues (e.g. Lewan and the Titans), risk not evaluating scarcity of certain positions, not addressing needs, even a possible negative incremental value almost by default. But you are getting a good player.
 
A mixed strategy that takes both into account seems interesting too.
 
Edit: there are two incremental strategies - one that tries to model the entire draft and one that just models incrementality of that one pick. The former would be complex but I think you can pull it off even with a high level of unknowns. The latter is simple enough to comprehend without further explanation.
 

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I don;t know what the hell you people are talking about regarding poor depth at safety.  My response:
 
MATT JOHNSON and JEFF HEATH.
 
YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE INVALID.
 
On a more serious note, Martin was considered to be a top 10 pick by a lot of pundits and most folks think he will be a perennial pro bowler. I think about how the 49ers build their offense to dominate by building their o-line to to dominate. I think about all of the times we  needed a first down on third and short last year or needed to bleed the clock to keep our horrendously shitty defense off the field and we watched a goddamn pass instead. Martin is supposed to be a road grading offensive lineman.
 
And as I write this, the Cowboys trade up to 33, giving up their 3rd rounder for DeMarcus Lawrence from Boise State.  They must have had a 1st round grade on him.
 

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Jim Rome, of all people, had the best (short) line about last night: 
 
"I have to give credit to Jerry for making the right football decision. But Jerry - when have you EVER been about the right football decision?"
 
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