2017 NBA offseason thread

[LondonSox]

I think Sacramento had a very good offseason and overall they've been fairly competent over the past year. Hill, Randolph and Carter will provide some stability and guidance to the younger players, but they won't be good enough to prevent them from getting a high lottery pick. They are just going to be rebuilding bad instead of disgraceful bad and I think that's important when you're attempting to build a culture around nine first or second year players.

That's nice.
They added a non shooting of a bad wing and bad hurt center when they have four others.
Hill was nice sure although plays the same position as their "best" prospects. Carter is ancient and Randolph is slow and fits terribly with the youth and all the big men.
They did a really good job making sure they have almost no chance at a star for the next 3 years. (This year, late lottery next, no pick the year after). They are still bad but not terrible. You think this is good.
I think this is dumb esp when as all you aging signing are getting worse you don't have any picks. This is how you stay bad for a generation. But please tell me why it is good.

But yeah please tell me the last team that got good this way.
And yeah they aren't the worst team in the league they're like 5-6 the worst. Woohoo

 

[cheech13]

The Kings have been picking in the lottery for more than a decade and all they had to show for it was a couple of 30-win seasons under a malcontent superstar. How could you advocate trying to get worse? At least they have a plan and vision now which is damn near amazing given how mindbogglingly awful the ownership and front office has been in the recent past.

They have eight average to good prospects on their team and a likely lottery pick next year. If they can "hit" on just a couple of those guys that's a decent foundation going forward. Hill is a good mentor for Fox and will be trade bait this year or next. They still have cap flexibility. No one is saying they are good, but they've turned a corner and seemingly have a plan. That's more than can be said for a few of the other teams near the bottom.

 

[Auger34]

IMO, there are 7 teams that are in the bottom tier of all of the NBA:
Brooklyn, Lakers, Atlanta, Phoenix, Chicago, Orlando, and the Knicks.
The tier just above that I have 3 teams: Dallas (Carlisle is such a good coach and it's not like they lost anyone worth a damn from the roster last year), Indiana (not a lot of talent but they are in the East and have a few interesting pieces in Myles Turner, Oladipo, Thad Young, and a serviceable PG duo with Cory Joseph and Collison) and Sacramento (added veterans who can give solid minutes and some talented rookies. Removed some of the toxic personalities from the locker room in Gay and Boogie).

I just don't see any way that the Lakers and Nets get past the bottom 5 records in the NBA. The Nets traded their best player for a guy that is really talented but next year he's going to be a net negative. The Lakers, other than KCP and Brook Lopez, have a roster that is either very inexperience and still learning the game or so experienced they have a fork sticking out of their back. That's in addition to playing in the Western Conference.

None of us know what injuries will occur but with all of the information we have currently it seems like a good bet that the Celtics will be picking for the Lakers next year

 

[saintnick912]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The NBA will limit teams to two team timeouts in the final three minutes of a game, league sources tell ESPN.

About time they came out with something like this. Now allow uncontested sideouts for intentional fouls and we'll really speed up end of game nonsense.

 

[Tony C]

Love this rule change! Well overdue.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Zach Lowe says they're getting rid of a media timeout at the under 9 of 2nd and 4th. Only two media timeouts per quarter now.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Love this rule change! Well overdue.

Don't like it at all, because it is the anti-Brad Stevens rule.

 

[GreenMonster49]

Other changes include (a) all timeouts are now 75 seconds--instead of 90-second full timeouts and 60-second "20 second" timeouts; and (b) teams get two timeouts at the start of any overtime period (down from three).

The mandatory timeouts ensure that teams will have more than 5 timeouts at the start of the second half, and no more than 4 at the start of the fourth quarter.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/07/12/nba-board-governors-2017-rule-changes[\url]

 

[LondonSox]

The Kings have been picking in the lottery for more than a decade and all they had to show for it was a couple of 30-win seasons under a malcontent superstar. How could you advocate trying to get worse? At least they have a plan and vision now which is damn near amazing given how mindbogglingly awful the ownership and front office has been in the recent past.

They have eight average to good prospects on their team and a likely lottery pick next year. If they can "hit" on just a couple of those guys that's a decent foundation going forward. Hill is a good mentor for Fox and will be trade bait this year or next. They still have cap flexibility. No one is saying they are good, but they've turned a corner and seemingly have a plan. That's more than can be said for a few of the other teams near the bottom.

Barely in the lottery because they do this dumb shit.
They have had 11(!) lottery picks since 2007
2017 5th Fox
2016 8th chriss who was traded for papgiannis and skal
2015 6th WCS
2014 8th stauskis
2013 7th McLemore
2012 5th Thomas Robinson
2011 7th biyombo
2010 5th cousins
2009 4th tyreke evans
2008 12th Jason Thompson
2007 10th Hawes

In the lottery EVERY YEAR but not a single top 3.
This is how you fail. Bad drafting in a bad area of a draft. If they had sucked more they would have likely improved.
Next year lottery. Mid to late. AGAIN!
Year after no pick but likely lottery but not top top.

It's a dumb plan that has been failing for over a decade and keeps being repeated.

So sure praise them for it.

 

[Light-Tower-Power]

Brad will have plenty of ATO situations with all the damn replay. That's what I'd really like to see fixed.

 

[chilidawg]

Barely in the lottery because they do this dumb shit.
They have had 11(!) lottery picks since 2007
2017 5th Fox
2016 8th chriss who was traded for papgiannis and skal
2015 6th WCS
2014 8th stauskis
2013 7th McLemore
2012 5th Thomas Robinson
2011 7th biyombo
2010 5th cousins
2009 4th tyreke evans
2008 12th Jason Thompson
2007 10th Hawes

In the lottery EVERY YEAR but not a single top 3.
This is how you fail. Bad drafting in a bad area of a draft. If they had sucked more they would have likely improved.
Next year lottery. Mid to late. AGAIN!
Year after no pick but likely lottery but not top top.

It's a dumb plan that has been failing for over a decade and keeps being repeated.

So sure praise them for it.

Warriors have managed to build a pretty good team with a lot less in the way of lottery picks. Kings have just been bad at drafting and worse at developing a team.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I know it's foolhardy to do an exact comparison to another trade but...the DeMarre Carroll trade just happened and it's a similar exercise to unloading Ryan Andersen. Andersen is a better player than Carroll currently but he has 3 years and 60 million left on his deal whereas Carroll has 2 years and 30 million left on his. Since Andersen at this point is barely a starter, I think Carroll has more trade value around the league.

Wouldn't the Rockets need to staple a minimum of 2 protected (I'd imagine top 20) 1st round picks to Andersen to get another team to take on that contract?

Possibly. I think Anderson is a much more useful player than Carroll right now but YMMV

 

[LondonSox]

Warriors have managed to build a pretty good team with a lot less in the way of lottery picks. Kings have just been bad at drafting and worse at developing a team.

Well that's kind of my point.
They need to get a high pick as they've shown to be pretty bad at judging talent. They need the can't miss guy.
They are doing the same shit over and over

 

[Boston Brawler]

Jerebko to the Jazz per Woj. 2 years/8.2 mil

 

[luckiestman]

Jerebko to the Jazz per Woj. 2 years/8.2 mil

That's like when Bruce Lee died and movie studios tried showing king fu movies with Bruce Li.

 

[DJnVa]

Sure, they're pissed when we sign their free agents, but do they stand on principle? No!!!

You're all talk Utah!!

 

[BigSoxFan]

Jerebko to the Jazz per Woj. 2 years/8.2 mil

We're even now!

 

[Kid T]

fwiw: worst odds to win the 2017/2018 finals per a betting site: http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

Denver Nuggets 100/1
Los Angeles Clippers 100/1
Los Angeles Lakers 100/1
Memphis Grizzlies 100/1
Miami Heat 100/1
Orlando Magic 100/1
Charlotte Hornets 125/1
Portland Trail Blazers 125/1
Dallas Mavericks 150/1
Detroit Pistons 150/1
New York Knicks 150/1
Atlanta Hawks 200/1
Indiana Pacers 200/1
Chicago Bulls 250/1
Phoenix Suns 500/1
Sacramento Kings 500/1
Brooklyn Nets 750/1

Brooklyn seems to be scraping the bottom still, with the Kings and (surprisingly) Suns just a bit behind. Lakers grouped with 6 other teams but these odds are 6 days old so no idea if the KCP signing pushes them to the next tier. I would have expected teh Bulls and Knicks to be ranked a little lower.

 

[benhogan]

Utah snatching up Jonas Jerebko on a 2yr deal. Good guy, solid player/citizen. It's a long season, these depth moves get lost in the shuffle of all the big deal trades/rumors. Nice move by the Jazz.

http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2016/story/_/id/19977587/utah-jazz-add-jonas-jerebko-2-year-82-million-deal

Any chance we can bring back Green or Zeller on a veteran minimum deal?

Love Green's attitude and he showed up several times in the playoffs when we needed his 3pt shooting. Zeller adds veteran depth at the 5, knows Brad's system, length/size to match up in short spurts against other teams post up Center, and with work has the shooting touch to develop a top of the key 3pt shot for the pick/pop. Then again I could see Tyler wanting to go elsewhere, his minutes/PT have severely diminished over the last 3 seasons with the C's.

 

[Bob420]

Portland is better than Clips, Lakers and Grizz in the west

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Portland is better than Clips, Lakers and Grizz in the west

Denver is considerably better than those 3 too. It's probably just popularity with the Lakers/Clippers.

 

[smastroyin]

Any chance we can bring back Green or Zeller on a veteran minimum deal?

There's a chance, but right now the roster is full, if you assume they're going to sign Ajeleye. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see them waive DJax to clear a spot.

 

[luckiestman]

Denver is considerably better than those 3 too. It's probably just popularity with the Lakers/Clippers.

Probably not worth consider but IF Blake is healthy once he comes back and Gallo actually plays. I think the Clips will be good.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

There's a chance, but right now the roster is full, if you assume they're going to sign Ajeleye. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see them waive DJax to clear a spot.

There is no role or opportunity for minutes for either Green or Zeller. Sure, WE would benefit by having Green as a 12th man type however he is a FA and certainly should be able to find a better opportunity at the minimum than in Boston. Green's career is on the line this season......he needs to find a place where he can get some minutes this year. Zeller is in a similar role with the addition of Baynes and Zizic. It wouldn't make much sense to either of them to return to Boston imo.

If I had to give one a better chance of returning it would be Green but I feel it is slim.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Spurs renounced Jonathan Simmons. Odd move, right?

 

[luckiestman]

Spurs renounced Jonathan Simmons. Odd move, right?

Seems weird. Hope he doesn't go to the Nets

 

[nighthob]

He'd have to take a big step forward to help the Nets, because he was worse last year in an expanded role for the Spurs (both offensively and defensively). He did play pretty well in the playoffs, obviously, but I always view such limited heroics suspiciously.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

According to CelticsHub, our roster at the moment is full. If they can stash Yabu for another year or if they cut both of DJax and Nader (which I think is unlikely), that creates a roster space.

Here is where we are currently I think.

Gordon Hayward / 29,727,900
Al Horford / 27,734,405
Jae Crowder / 6,796,117
Isaiah Thomas / 6,261,395
Jayson Tatum / 5,645,400
Marcus Morris / 5,000,000
Jaylen Brown / 4,956,480
Marcus Smart / 4,538,020
Aron Baynes / 4,328,000
Guerschon Yabusele / 2,247,480
Terry Rozier / 1,988,520
Ante Zizic / 1,645,200
Semi Ojeleye / 1,167,333
Abdel Nader / 815,615
Daniel Theis / 815,615
Two-Way contract 1 (Kadeem Allen?) / 75,000
Two-Way contract 2 (Jabari Bird?) / 75,000
TOTAL SALARIES: 103,667,480

 

[Cesar Crespo]

According to CelticsHub, our roster at the moment is full. If they can stash Yabu for another year or if they cut both of DJax and Nader (which I think is unlikely), that creates a roster space.

Here is where we are currently I think.

Gordon Hayward / 29,727,900
Al Horford / 27,734,405
Jae Crowder / 6,796,117
Isaiah Thomas / 6,261,395
Jayson Tatum / 5,645,400
Marcus Morris / 5,000,000
Jaylen Brown / 4,956,480
Marcus Smart / 4,538,020
Aron Baynes / 4,328,000
Guerschon Yabusele / 2,247,480
Terry Rozier / 1,988,520
Ante Zizic / 1,645,200
Semi Ojeleye / 1,167,333
Abdel Nader / 815,615
Daniel Theis / 815,615
Two-Way contract 1 (Kadeem Allen?) / 75,000
Two-Way contract 2 (Jabari Bird?) / 75,000
TOTAL SALARIES: 103,667,480

Except that list doesn't even have DJax on it, meaning Allen or Bird would have to be gone.

edit: Nevermind, you said both.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Crazy list though. 8 rookies, Jaylen and Terry. Rookies are going to get playing time. There is no way around it.

 

[Cellar-Door]

According to CelticsHub, our roster at the moment is full. If they can stash Yabu for another year or if they cut both of DJax and Nader (which I think is unlikely), that creates a roster space.

Here is where we are currently I think.

Gordon Hayward / 29,727,900
Al Horford / 27,734,405
Jae Crowder / 6,796,117
Isaiah Thomas / 6,261,395
Jayson Tatum / 5,645,400
Marcus Morris / 5,000,000
Jaylen Brown / 4,956,480
Marcus Smart / 4,538,020
Aron Baynes / 4,328,000
Guerschon Yabusele / 2,247,480
Terry Rozier / 1,988,520
Ante Zizic / 1,645,200
Semi Ojeleye / 1,167,333
Abdel Nader / 815,615
Daniel Theis / 815,615
Two-Way contract 1 (Kadeem Allen?) / 75,000
Two-Way contract 2 (Jabari Bird?) / 75,000
TOTAL SALARIES: 103,667,480

Nader isn't signed BTW, still just draft rights. Honestly I'd be surprised if he makes the 15.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Spurs renounced Jonathan Simmons. Odd move, right?

Don't think so. This is the last day to renounce QOs to restricted free agents without player's consent. I'm reading that the Spurs are about $3.3M under the cap and still have to figure out how to sign Gasol. They probably weren't going to match any offer from another team if it comes in at any value so my guess is that they figured they might as well clear up their cap situation.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Would the C's have any interest in Boris Diaw if he is released?

 

[smastroyin]

Nader isn't signed BTW, still just draft rights. Honestly I'd be surprised if he makes the 15.

I don't think they've signed Ojeleye yet either.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Nader isn't signed BTW, still just draft rights. Honestly I'd be surprised if he makes the 15.

I don't think they've signed Ojeleye yet either.

Nader and Ojeleye were predictions. I think Ojeleye is pretty safe to make the roster based on what Brad said (assuming he stays healthy), leaving Nader and DJax to fight for the last spot.

I forgot that DJax's contract becomes fully guaranteed on July 15 (only $650,000 is currently guaranteed). At that point, we should have some indication whether he's going to make the final roster next season.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Rondo to NO? http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246889/Rajon-Rondo-Pelicans-Discuss-One-Year-Deal

 

[PedroKsBambino]

On Thursday’s episode of The Woj Pod, host Adrian Wojnarowksi revealed – and George confirmed – that before the Thunder acquired George in a trade with Indiana, the Warriors offered guard Klay Thompson in an effort to swing a deal to Golden State.

http://newsok.com/article/5556191

Wow.

 

[nighthob]

What the fuckity fuck fuck?

EDIT: Nope, the article says the opposite, that Indiana offered Paul George for KT and were rebuffed, which makes a lot more sense.

 

[ifmanis5]

WOAHHH. The Pacers and Bulls did some weird stuff selling their stars way short.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

What the fuckity fuck fuck?

EDIT: Nope, the article says the opposite, that Indiana offered Paul George for KT and were rebuffed, which makes a lot more sense.

The story has been updated--yup.

 

[wilked]

fwiw: worst odds to win the 2017/2018 finals per a betting site: http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/




Brooklyn seems to be scraping the bottom still, with the Kings and (surprisingly) Suns just a bit behind. Lakers grouped with 6 other teams but these odds are 6 days old so no idea if the KCP signing pushes them to the next tier. I would have expected teh Bulls and Knicks to be ranked a little lower.

Is there a price that people would risk $100 on the Nets winning the championship? +10,000?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Crazy list though. 8 rookies, Jaylen and Terry. Rookies are going to get playing time. There is no way around it.

Which rookies are going to see regular minutes? Tatum is your 10th man so he will see regular yet limited time. Zizic is behind Horford and Baynes so he'll be a regular DNP-CD unless injury/foul trouble come into play. The Top-9 are all veterans.

Nader isn't signed BTW, still just draft rights. Honestly I'd be surprised if he makes the 15.

I'd be more than shocked if Nader made the 15. For one, he isn't guaranteed so we don't have to include him......two, since he isn't guaranteed utilizing a two-way deal would be the much better option to retain roster flexibility.....and three, he simply isn't very good.

 

[cmurphycode]

Is there a price that people would risk $100 on the Nets winning the championship? +10,000?

Maybe the people who watched Leicester City

 

[JakeRae]

Which rookies are going to see regular minutes? Tatum is your 10th man so he will see regular yet limited time. Zizic is behind Horford and Baynes so he'll be a regular DNP-CD unless injury/foul trouble come into play. The Top-9 are all veterans.


I'd be more than shocked if Nader made the 15. For one, he isn't guaranteed so we don't have to include him......two, since he isn't guaranteed utilizing a two-way deal would be the much better option to retain roster flexibility.....and three, he simply isn't very good.

Green and Zeller were the 11th and 12th men last year and both played over 500 minutes. That's basically 10/games for about 50 games. That seems like a reasonable guess at how much those roster spots will play this year, although it could be a bit more because there is long term value in playing the rookies. There were another 360 minutes split between Young and Mickey. Given those numbers, it seems reasonable to assume there is regular, but not too significant, playing time for all of Zivic, Yabusele, and Ojeleye.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Which rookies are going to see regular minutes? Tatum is your 10th man so he will see regular yet limited time. Zizic is behind Horford and Baynes so he'll be a regular DNP-CD unless injury/foul trouble come into play. The Top-9 are all veterans.
.

Assuming the starters average about 30 minutes a game, that leaves 90 minutes for the bench. Morris and JB probably get 20-25 minutes a night while Rozier and Baynes get 15-20. On the low end, that is 70 minutes. You still have another 20 minutes to account for. Add in random injuries and what not and there will be regular playing time for rookies other than Tatum. Every starter only playing 75 games a season adds another 20 minutes a game for bench players. Theis is also probably a good bet to get some regular minutes unless he completely sucks. He's the only big who can spread the floor besides Horford and Morris.

edit: And what JakeRae said. I can see Zizic replacing Zeller's minutes and Semi replacing Greens. Whoever doesn't get regular playing time will be in Maine. (Nader/Jackson, Bird, Allen). Not sure where Yabu fits in with the team either but if Theis is terrible, Yabu's ability to stretch the floor probably earns him Theis' minutes.

I can also see Crowder getting 25 minutes a night instead of 32 next season.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

I'd be more than shocked if Nader made the 15. For one, he isn't guaranteed so we don't have to include him......two, since he isn't guaranteed utilizing a two-way deal would be the much better option to retain roster flexibility.....and three, he simply isn't very good.

Given Nader's contract drama last year, I'd be surprised if he agreed to a two-way deal.

The other thing is that last year (at least according to this article), if they had let Nader try out for the regular Cs roster, they would have had to give him a NBA tender, which meant that if he was cut (as he would have been given the roster crunch), he would have been a free agent.

Anyone know if this is still true for this upcoming year? If so, the Cs are in a conundrum because I would expect that they promised Nader last year that they would give him a shot to make the NBA team, and they have a decent amount of time and effort invested in him.

Maybe he and the Cs can agree that he should play in Europe next year so that the Cs can keep his rights?

 

[Cesar Crespo]

I imagine they would just release Nader and let him pursue an NBA career on another team if the plan isn't to have him be one of the 15.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Nader is making the roster.

BTW, the roster that I posted yesterday should have been in the Celtics off-season thread not this one. I'm going to move the post to the other thread.

Sorry to folks for confusing things.

 

[Kid T]

Nader signs a 4 year deal worth $6 mil

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/7/14/15973588/report-boston-celtics-sign-abdel-nader-to-4-year-contract


Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tatum climb the depth chart. Not sure how many players we have on the bench who can create their own shot as well as he can.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Nader signs a 4 year deal worth $6 mil

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/7/14/15973588/report-boston-celtics-sign-abdel-nader-to-4-year-contract


Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tatum climb the depth chart. Not sure how many players we have on the bench who can create their own shot as well as he can.

They'd probably stagger IT4 and Hayward so it won't matter as much. I could see him climbing too, but it will be because he is outperforming other guys.