1. I wanted the Jets to sign him but I don’t think that was even considered.Dorsey’s statement —
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/11/browns-sign-kareem-hunt/
Dorsey is good.
Yeah, this happened with Aroldis Chapman. It's like he was able to get a second chance, but it had to be with a different team.It's a fascinating reality where the Chiefs are pressured to get rid of Hunt (which probably cost them a Super Bowl) and the Browns will probably get mild scrutiny for signing him 73 days later with nary a factual change in his circumstance.
This isn't quite right. I believe Hunt was suspended indefinitely (on the Commissioner's list) when the Chiefs dumped him, so they weren't going to have him for the playoffs either way.It's a fascinating reality where the Chiefs are pressured to get rid of Hunt (which probably cost them a Super Bowl) and the Browns will probably get mild scrutiny for signing him 73 days later with nary a factual change in his circumstance.
if you say so. I think their RBs did just fine against us anyways.(which probably cost them a Super Bowl)
Seems like an odd-fit with Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb already there. I guess there is the Ken Dorsey connection but I wonder if there was very little market for Hunt. Perhaps CLE sees him as a potential trade chip next season once he is off suspension and plays a few games.Very curious to see how much he signed for. Cleveland is probably a good landing spot. They have Chubb so they can survive without him as he serves his suspension.
Not quite like what Hunt did to the PatsI think their RBs did just fine against us anyways.
John..... Ken was just hired by the Bills as their QB coach.Seems like an odd-fit with Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb already there. I guess there is the Ken Dorsey connection but I wonder if there was very little market for Hunt. Perhaps CLE sees him as a potential trade chip next season once he is off suspension and plays a few games.
That link should come with a warning that it is going to autoplay a Julian Edelman not talking about PED hit job by Mike Florio. Felt like I was Rick Rolled clicking on that link.Dorsey’s statement —
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/11/browns-sign-kareem-hunt/
Dorsey is good.
There's no way for the Steelers to trade him without taking a massive cap hit, right?Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 36m36 minutes ago
Antonio Brown has not been traded nor has he been released. But Brown wants a trade and he officially has requested that from the Steelers, per source.
He counts $22M against cap if on the team. $21M if traded by 5th day of league year when 2.5M bonus due.There's no way for the Steelers to trade him without taking a massive cap hit, right?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/
Agree that he’s gone but they definitely take a big hit. Think they have some carryover from 2018 to soften the blow though.He counts $22M against cap if on the team. $21M if traded by 5th day of league year when 2.5M bonus due.
He's gone.
Yeah, Brown is going to take up a big chunk of their cap. According to overthecap.com, the Steelers have about $19M in cap space.Agree that he’s gone but they definitely take a big hit. Think they have some carryover from 2018 to soften the blow though.
Yeah, sounds pretty crazy. All of the WRs you mentioned that left Pittsburgh went on to have good careers elsewhere. Plaxico was really good for the Giants before shooting himself, Sanders has been great in Denver, and Santonio Holmes was really good for the Jets. I don't think AB is a system player.Pittsburgh always churns out great WRs (Plaxico, Ward, Holmes, Sanders, Brown, JuJu). As crazy as this sounds, I don't think AB will excel in another system with another QB. I'd hate if the Patriots showed any interest in him. He's selfish, always on social media, and has big issues outside of the field.
Eh.... He'll be 32, his numbers have declined 4 years in a row, he's coming off a torn Achilles that happened late in the season, and he's always played way softer than his size would indicate. I'd rather they throw some darts at younger receivers.Demaryius Thomas cut from the Texans. I think he’s a lock for a reunion with Josh...
I've got to think the Steelers would prefer to trade him to an NFC team rather than release him and risk him being a Brown or Patriot. My money is on him becoming a 49er in exchange for a couple of future picks.If Brown were to agree to a contract restructure, I'd take him with open arms on the Patriots. The guy works his tail off at route running. If Gronk comes back, a Gronk/Edelman/Brown trio with a Michel/White/Burkhead backfield would be lethal.
With his public trade demand, the price on him has to be lowering considering the contract he has. If they trade Brown post-June 1, they only have like $7 million in dead cap hit for him. I think they wait it out.what could they even get for Brown? His value over and above his cap hit has got to be not that great, even if he remains a top-5 WR.
Maybe some star-starved team might see marketing value in him, but I'm not sure how much relief the Steelers can realistically expect.
This is not quite right. Waiting only allows them to spread out the cap hit over two years but the overall cap hit is the same. In Brown's case it is actually $2.5M more since they would then need to pay him a 2.5 roster bonus that is due 5th day of league year.With his public trade demand, the price on him has to be lowering considering the contract he has. If they trade Brown post-June 1, they only have like $7 million in dead cap hit for him. I think they wait it out.
I was going off what a reporter was saying about it. I went and looked it up on Spotrac. If they cut or trade him now until March 17, the dead money on this year's cap is $21.1 million. From March 17 until June 1, it is $23.6 million. Post June 1 cut or trade is only $12.1 million on this year's cap with the other $11.5 million on 2020 cap.This is not quite right. Waiting only allows them to spread out the cap hit over two years but the overall cap hit is the same. In Brown's case it is actually $2.5M more since they would then need to pay him a 2.5 roster bonus that is due 5th day of league year.
How much would count this year vs next seems to be up to debate. I am not entirely sure. I have seen the $7 out there but most reports seem to say $12M and $11M.
Either way, seems like a foolish move for Pitt. Cost them more and imo probably limits options as other teams may move in another direction.
FWIW, any team trading for him would have Brown on essentially a 3 yr 39M deal with a cap hit a little over 15M in 2019. That's assuming it's before his bonus is due.
As much as I like AB he's no Randy. With his stature I'd put him more in line with Cooks than moss.The price for the Steelers to trade AB to the Pats would be like 10 #1's. Would definitely be fun to see him in this offense though. It would be like 2007 all over again.
The signing bonus that zooms on to the Steelers' cap totals $21,120,000, which can be spread out over 2 years post-June 1. His cap number for another team would be $15,125,000 for 2019, which is the salary plus roster bonus. In 2020 and 2021, his salaries are $11.3M and $12.5M. The Steelers restructured his deal this past March to create cap space and create this mess for themselves.can someone explain to me why the acquiring team in a trade scenario wouldn't assume his cap hit for this coming league year? I thought it was only the amortized signing bonus that remained with the signing team.
can someone explain to me why the acquiring team in a trade scenario wouldn't assume his cap hit for this coming league year? I thought it was only the amortized signing bonus that remained with the signing team.
Yeah, there's been some shitty reporting out there about this. Everyone is reporting his pro-rated bonus money as $7,040,000. That's right. For 2019. But the Steelers spread it over 5 years and his contract has three more years on it so you have to look at the total bonus money that he's received, which is 3x$7,040,000, because that's what gets accelerated if they get rid of him.The signing bonus that zooms on to the Steelers' cap totals $21,120,000, which can be spread out over 2 years post-June 1. His cap number for another team would be $15,125,000 for 2019, which is the salary plus roster bonus. In 2020 and 2021, his salaries are $11.3M and $12.5M. The Steelers restructured his deal this past March to create cap space and create this mess for themselves.
Obviously different types of receivers but I think his impact on the offense would be similar. Cooks couldn’t run the whole route tree like AB would be able to do.As much as I like AB he's no Randy. With his stature I'd put him more in line with Cooks than moss.
All I will say about the AB/Cooks comparison is that if the Rams had the former instead of the latter, there's a decent chance half of us would be avoiding this forum like the plague and the other half are actively sniping at each other over whether or not the dynasty is dead. He's not necessarily catching all kinds of 50/50 balls (though he can because he's tough as hell and his hands are godly), but he usually doesn't need to because he's arguably the best route runner in the league and is always open.Obviously different types of receivers but I think his impact on the offense would be similar. Cooks couldn’t run the whole route tree like AB would be able to do.
If you had Gronk, AB, and Edelman, teams would be absolutely screwed unless they were able to harass Brady at the LOS.
As much as I like AB he's no Randy.
All I will say about the AB/Cooks comparison is that if the Rams had the former instead of the latter, there's a decent chance half of us would be avoiding this forum like the plague and the other half are actively sniping at each other over whether or not the dynasty is dead. He's not necessarily catching all kinds of 50/50 balls (though he can because he's tough as hell and his hands are godly), but he usually doesn't need to because he's arguably the best route runner in the league and is always open.
I was thinking specifically of the two pivotal defensive plays of the game involving Cooks, had AB been in Cooks’ exact position.And yet, in 6 games against the Pats, AB has averaged 6 catches a game about 8 yards and scored a total of 4 TDs (and his team is 2-4).
I don't think there's a chance he'll be cut. Any team that trades for him is effectively getting a 3 year contract at 47 million. If the Steelers pick up his roster bonus it's a 3/45 deal. Some team is going to jump at that. Colts, Texans, Browns, Jets, they are all flush. And there's pretty much zero downside past year 1 since the acquiring team unless it restructures him can cut him freely without consequence each year.Does he strike anyone as spiteful? If cut, would he sign with the Pats similar to how Revis did (2 year deal that’s really a 1 year)? No, the Pats don’t need him. But I love the taste of salty tears so anything that causes 31 fan bases (and esp those from Pitt/Balt/Indy/NY) to cry is ok with me.
The glorious schnadenfreude nut-punch is that they restructured Brown's contract in 2018 to free up money to place the tag on Leveon Bell.Yeah, there's been some shitty reporting out there about this. Everyone is reporting his pro-rated bonus money as $7,040,000. That's right. For 2019. But the Steelers spread it over 5 years and his contract has three more years on it so you have to look at the total bonus money that he's received, which is 3x$7,040,000, because that's what gets accelerated if they get rid of him.
Here's how you get there. In 2017, they restructured and gave him a $19 million signing bonus. Pro-rated over 5 years that put $3.8 million per year on to their cap number each of the next 5 years after 2017. They have 3 years left, which is $11,400,000. In 2018, they converted a $6 million bonus plus most of his salary above the league minimum for a vet into a signing bonus and gave it to him in cash. That also has to be amortized over 5 years. That's about $2.4 million per year and there are four years left for an additional $9.6 million give or take. All that gets accelerated if they get rid of him.
Each year that goes by the get an additional $7 million cap relief if they cut or trade. So, if he plays for them this year then he costs them about $21 million and costs $21 million against the cap but they get $7 million in cap relief. It would cost them $14 million to cut him in 2020 and $7 million to cut him in 2021.
Edit: Actually, I think some of the numbers are off just a bit. I think the 2018 conversion of roster bonus and salary are only pro-rated over four years and so it's a bit higher than I have, but the main number -- $7 million a year for the next 3 -- is accurate.
Where you are getting 47M? Spotrac and overthecap both have his 2019-2021 salaries at $12,625,000, $11,300,000, and $12,500,000 for a total of about $36.5M (plus the $2.5M roster bonus for 2019 if the acquiring team picks him up before that's due).I don't think there's a chance he'll be cut. Any team that trades for him is effectively getting a 3 year contract at 47 million. If the Steelers pick up his roster bonus it's a 3/45 deal. Some team is going to jump at that. Colts, Texans, Browns, Jets, they are all flush. And there's pretty much zero downside past year 1 since the acquiring team unless it restructures him can cut him freely without consequence each year.
Steelers will get a pick for him if they want one. Maybe they'll take a lower pick than they could to have some control over where he goes but I have a feeling there will be teams willing to take him on for his existing contract rather than going to the free agency market to pay more for Golden Tate or 75 percent as much to take a chance on Adam Humphries.
Where you are getting 47M? Spotrac and overthecap both have his 2019-2021 salaries at $12,625,000, $11,300,000, and $12,500,000 for a total of about $36.5M (plus the $2.5M roster bonus for 2019 if the acquiring team picks him up before that's due).
Of course, this just makes your point even more strongly. That is a great contract for the production in this market for an acquiring team. Put the off-field stuff aside and all 31 other teams would probably love to have Antonio Brown playing for them on that contract.
I think the real question any team has to ask about Brown is whether he has entered a phase in his life where he is just not right mentally/psychologically to a level that will be just destabilizing to your team. Shooting his way out of Pittsburgh is a pretty odd thing to do: They are one of the most consistently successful teams in the league, they have a top tier QB who fed him plenty of targets, the coach coddled him, they paid him what he wanted, etc. None of the typical reasons for guys wanting to move on really apply. So if he is going to shoot his way out of Pittsburgh for whatever crazy reason, how long will it take until he decides that he doesn't want to play for the Jets anymore?
Definitely seems like AB has reached the TO with Philly/Dallas stage of his career. Barring injury, he has some good-to-elite years left but the headaches aren't going away. If I'm a team like the Jets with a young QB, a new HC, and no real veteran locker room presence, I'm staying, far, far away.Where you are getting 47M? Spotrac and overthecap both have his 2019-2021 salaries at $12,625,000, $11,300,000, and $12,500,000 for a total of about $36.5M (plus the $2.5M roster bonus for 2019 if the acquiring team picks him up before that's due).
Of course, this just makes your point even more strongly. That is a great contract for the production in this market for an acquiring team. Put the off-field stuff aside and all 31 other teams would probably love to have Antonio Brown playing for them on that contract.
I think the real question any team has to ask about Brown is whether he has entered a phase in his life where he is just not right mentally/psychologically to a level that will be just destabilizing to your team. Shooting his way out of Pittsburgh is a pretty odd thing to do: They are one of the most consistently successful teams in the league, they have a top tier QB who fed him plenty of targets, the coach coddled him, they paid him what he wanted, etc. None of the typical reasons for guys wanting to move on really apply. So if he is going to shoot his way out of Pittsburgh for whatever crazy reason, how long will it take until he decides that he doesn't want to play for the Jets anymore?
Just bad math on my part. Yeah, you're right. I had in mind $12 million a year but then I get confused.Where you are getting 47M? Spotrac and overthecap both have his 2019-2021 salaries at $12,625,000, $11,300,000, and $12,500,000 for a total of about $36.5M (plus the $2.5M roster bonus for 2019 if the acquiring team picks him up before that's due).
Of course, this just makes your point even more strongly. That is a great contract for the production in this market for an acquiring team. Put the off-field stuff aside and all 31 other teams would probably love to have Antonio Brown playing for them on that contract.
I think the real question any team has to ask about Brown is whether he has entered a phase in his life where he is just not right mentally/psychologically to a level that will be just destabilizing to your team. Shooting his way out of Pittsburgh is a pretty odd thing to do: They are one of the most consistently successful teams in the league, they have a top tier QB who fed him plenty of targets, the coach coddled him, they paid him what he wanted, etc. None of the typical reasons for guys wanting to move on really apply. So if he is going to shoot his way out of Pittsburgh for whatever crazy reason, how long will it take until he decides that he doesn't want to play for the Jets anymore?