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Don't know if any of this is true but the story is that Giddey and the girl are/were in a relationship for years - they got together when he was 19 and she was 16 which may be when the video that circulated was taken - and the parents have no interest in pursuing charges. I don't normally post stuff like that but since it kind of explains things, I figured its appropriate in this instance.
 

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Great story on Wemby being a huge fan of Brandon Sanderson

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/victor-wembanyama-loves-brandon-sanderson-books/1d487ab4ded0d7ae0f881456

Recently, Wembanyama was at the end of one of Sanderson's books, Words of Radiance. He was at the climactic finish of the 1,087 page tome as he lay in bed.

"I had to stop, because I wanted to save it for game day."

Wembanyama picked the book up again the next morning, finishing it before facing off against the Pistons. Energized by the story, he put up the first triple-double of his career, finishing with 16 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists in the Spurs' sixth win of their season.
 

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An exchange I'll port over here:
I get the feeling that, because [Mazzulla] puts so much mental energy into the parts of basketball that he thinks do matter, he has nothing left at all for random talking points [in postgame interviews].

Most of the good NBA minds are like that afaict. They're constantly obsessing about the actual mechanics/logistics of the game, and the normie questions jar them out of that and feel weird/boring.
Yeah, sign me up for the same thing, but regarding sideline reporters interviewing players / coaches during games.

"Wow, you guys are winning by a lot, what do you attribute it to?"
"Just executing the gameplan. Trusting our teammates."

"Really struggled there in the 3rd quarter, what can you do to turn it around for the 4th?"
"Execute better on defense and offense."

Fucking scintillating, thanks Abby. I'd frankly rather listen to PJ Carlesimo prattle on about coaching Seton Hall in the 80s, because at least Scal might say something funny in response. Once in a great while, Doris Burke used to ask an interesting question or somehow get an interesting answer from these "interviews", but in general it is a mind-numbing waste of time for everyone involved. Like, who is asking for that? Who exactly wants to have these questions asked, when you know you'll get no insight out of the media-trained answer?

If you're going to ask athletes or coaches frivolous questions in the middle of a game, when they're definitely not going to give you tactical insight or thoughtful responses, at least make it fun.

"Luke, what was your favorite play that half?"
"Derrick, is that baby keeping you up much at night, or do you go the earplugs route?"
"Jayson, looked like you thought you were fouled on that drive there with 3 minutes left, what happened from your perspective?"
"Kristaps, do you look to combine with Jaylen a little bit extra because he's your boy, or is the team running more actions just for you two?"
The in-game sideline interview is a giant waste of time and annoying especially when it distracts from play (which it does regularly)

Please TV producers, get rid of it altogether.

Abby is much better than most, BUT it just takes away from the product and adds no value
Right I'm not against sideline reporters on general principle. They go get information from coaches, medical trainers, they'll introduce some stories or sidebars. But I wish they took the "reporting" part of the job more seriously, or were allowed to. Like, if there's nothing insightful you're going to get out of players or coaches, and no event that happened like an injury you need to keep tabs on, then go in the stands and find a fan with an interesting story. Find the funniest sign of the night and talk to the guy or girl on camera for 10 seconds. Go to the opposing team's bench and find out what was said when some remarks were exchanged between them an an on-floor player. Pull a ref aside during a timeout and ask about a controversial call, in a non-threatening way, and then share their view of it when you're back. Get a word with a celebrity sitting courtside, if they're interested. Do something besides spout or elicit platitudes. Unlike the commentators, you have freedom to roam during the game and can pop up only sporadically when you have something worth bringing to everyone's attention. Go find... that.

Abby isn't the problem, the producers are the problem, as a collective. They've dumbed the role down to something about as interesting, and about as predictable, as the guys who mop sweat up off the floor.
 

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Jalen Williams feels like a star player leveling up in real time. He is so smooth all the way around. Its hard not to love his game.
 

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https://soccer.realgm.com/wiretap/10542/Premier-Leagues-New-TV-Deal-Down-By-One-Third-Factoring-Inflation

For those who think Sports TV contracts only go in one direction. NBA has been quiet on this front
Inflation is less relevant in the NBA context, because so much of team-building is about nominal salary relative to the cap, but even having a flat TV deal would be really, really bad for NBA economics. And a lot of contracts signed now would get rough to handle.
 

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Abby isn't the problem, the producers are the problem, as a collective. They've dumbed the role down to something about as interesting, and about as predictable, as the guys who mop sweat up off the floor.
There is merit in this take but the sideline reporter/producer relationship is more nuanced than you're giving it credit for.

First off - NBA games are hard for sideline reporters. Similar to soccer or lacrosse - basketball or games with constant action are more difficult to integrate a non-analyst.
In order to include a sideline reporter - you are typical going into the game with a couple (football game might be 3 or 4) stories that you can weave into the game. You will also plan for the in-game interviews. In my experience - with the exception of the first hit - everything else is situational. If you have a good to great game you will generally hear less from a non-analyst. If you have a game with multiple injuries - you will hear from the reporter more. But it IS part of the job of the producer, in my opinion, to make sure the reporter is on camera multiple times and contributes to the broadcast.
So if it's a 20+ point game then going and talking to fans or people with signs is much more acceptable to the audience. Thing is - you can't really plan for that most nights.

One thing most people probably don't realize is that a lot of value from the reporter spot is internal to the production. The reporter is in constant communication with the producer throughout the show. So in a football game they might tell you about an injury so the director can cut to it or about blood on a jersey, the general environment in the building, who's taking the lead in the huddle, etc...

I did a show a few years ago and Lane Kiffin took his playsheet and threw it 20 yards in the air during a play. The sideline reporter informed the truck right away and we ended up with a really fun sequence with a handheld camera showing students passing his playsheet back down to the field. That camera operator and the director would have had no idea. No credit is given to the sideline reporter but that moment doesn't happen without them.
 

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Inflation is less relevant in the NBA context, because so much of team-building is about nominal salary relative to the cap, but even having a flat TV deal would be really, really bad for NBA economics. And a lot of contracts signed now would get rough to handle.
Don't get me wrong, the NBA has many levers to pull and does have a global audience which should appeal to Tech streamers over domestic broadcasters.

Just a little shocking to see the English Premiership have to settle with so many big-time ownership groups involved.

The deal also covers 99 more matches than the 2016-19 agreement, so factoring in inflation and a per-game basis, the value of each individual game has gone down by 50 percent

Yikes :eek:
 
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I did a show a few years ago and Lane Kiffin took his playsheet and threw it 20 yards in the air during a play. The sideline reporter informed the truck right away and we ended up with a really fun sequence with a handheld camera showing students passing his playsheet back down to the field. That camera operator and the director would have had no idea. No credit is given to the sideline reporter but that moment doesn't happen without them.
Great story, thanks for sharing.

The "forced" interview with the Head Coach offers little detail/value & most of the time interferes with the beginning of 2nd half play.

Personally, I'd rather see Abby interview an Advanced Scout in the stands to get their 2 cents on what adjustments they expect to see in the 2nd half.
 

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There is merit in this take but the sideline reporter/producer relationship is more nuanced than you're giving it credit for.

First off - NBA games are hard for sideline reporters. Similar to soccer or lacrosse - basketball or games with constant action are more difficult to integrate a non-analyst.
In order to include a sideline reporter - you are typical going into the game with a couple (football game might be 3 or 4) stories that you can weave into the game. You will also plan for the in-game interviews. In my experience - with the exception of the first hit - everything else is situational. If you have a good to great game you will generally hear less from a non-analyst. If you have a game with multiple injuries - you will hear from the reporter more. But it IS part of the job of the producer, in my opinion, to make sure the reporter is on camera multiple times and contributes to the broadcast.
So if it's a 20+ point game then going and talking to fans or people with signs is much more acceptable to the audience. Thing is - you can't really plan for that most nights.

One thing most people probably don't realize is that a lot of value from the reporter spot is internal to the production. The reporter is in constant communication with the producer throughout the show. So in a football game they might tell you about an injury so the director can cut to it or about blood on a jersey, the general environment in the building, who's taking the lead in the huddle, etc...

I did a show a few years ago and Lane Kiffin took his playsheet and threw it 20 yards in the air during a play. The sideline reporter informed the truck right away and we ended up with a really fun sequence with a handheld camera showing students passing his playsheet back down to the field. That camera operator and the director would have had no idea. No credit is given to the sideline reporter but that moment doesn't happen without them.
Yeah, definitely awesome post, made the whole exchange worthwhile. And of course SoSH has someone who's actually an expert in [obscure thing], example # 5237. Love the Lane Kiffin story.

Agree that the reporter should be on camera a few times, chipping in / getting some on-air reps, it's what separates them from a PA. And agree that they can react to the game situation, doing more "fun" stuff if the game isn't close, and more game-related stuff if it is.

I just wish that, in general, sports producers chose to have their reporter abandon the coach interviews (and player interviews too, unless there's a very specific question that would be interesting and they think they can get a real answer), and instead make their on-air spots have a wider variety of scenarios, and less risk of it being a waste of time. Like the examples I gave, or a much better list of things that a professional would surely come up with.
 

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I just wish that, in general, sports producers chose to have their reporter abandon the coach interviews (and player interviews too, unless there's a very specific question that would be interesting and they think they can get a real answer), and instead make their on-air spots have a wider variety of scenarios, and less risk of it being a waste of time. Like the examples I gave, or a much better list of things that a professional would surely come up with.
I completely agree that the coach interviews generally have very little value. You ask someone like Dabo Swinney one question and he gives you a :45 answer. Now you have to figure out when you're going to get that sound byte in and hopefully not compromise game coverage. Some of the high-end CFB producers started passing on the end-of-quarter interviews. Not everyone has the swing to just pass on a network-driven initiative.

I don't know for sure but I bet the in-game NBA interviews come from the top as well. You ask Joe Mazzulla two questions and he gives you six seconds worth of answers. It's not good television.

But they are simply not going away. The networks believe there is value in the in-game interviews as a way to garner access. There is a lot of creative freedom producing live sports but you're still beholden to the networks and leagues.

The NBA has made the move toward player interviews in games and I think that's been more successful in generating good conversation and content. Coaches are mostly miserable and untineresting to the public.
 

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I completely agree that the coach interviews generally have very little value. You ask someone like Dabo Swinney one question and he gives you a :45 answer. Now you have to figure out when you're going to get that sound byte in and hopefully not compromise game coverage. Some of the high-end CFB producers started passing on the end-of-quarter interviews. Not everyone has the swing to just pass on a network-driven initiative.

I don't know for sure but I bet the in-game NBA interviews come from the top as well. You ask Joe Mazzulla two questions and he gives you six seconds worth of answers. It's not good television.

But they are simply not going away. The networks believe there is value in the in-game interviews as a way to garner access. There is a lot of creative freedom producing live sports but you're still beholden to the networks and leagues.

The NBA has made the move toward player interviews in games and I think that's been more successful in generating good conversation and content. Coaches are mostly miserable and untineresting to the public.
Thank you for these posts - appreciate your perspective. I have often wondered if the coach interviews were pushed by agents as well as the league and networks - it often feels like both the interviewer as well as the subject are eating their vegetables with these clips. However as you note, they persist despite yielding almost zero value. Is this just the networks demanding it and the league complying or are agents also pushing for this? I certainly would if I represented any of these guys. They are as much brands as the players they coach.
 

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I completely agree that the coach interviews generally have very little value. You ask someone like Dabo Swinney one question and he gives you a :45 answer. Now you have to figure out when you're going to get that sound byte in and hopefully not compromise game coverage. Some of the high-end CFB producers started passing on the end-of-quarter interviews. Not everyone has the swing to just pass on a network-driven initiative.

I don't know for sure but I bet the in-game NBA interviews come from the top as well. You ask Joe Mazzulla two questions and he gives you six seconds worth of answers. It's not good television.

But they are simply not going away. The networks believe there is value in the in-game interviews as a way to garner access. There is a lot of creative freedom producing live sports but you're still beholden to the networks and leagues.

The NBA has made the move toward player interviews in games and I think that's been more successful in generating good conversation and content. Coaches are mostly miserable and untineresting to the public.
Craig Sager and Pop made it a comedy sketch for a while. Dabo & Mike McDaniel are good TV. The player mics have been a success, so score one for Media Executives

If I was producing a C's game I'd lean toward always getting a comment, after the Half, from the verbose Sam Cassell.

Sam does have a winning mindset that comes from his crystal-clear vision of his goals, both on and off the court...
excuse me as I go get my Zenni glasses
 

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Sorry to interrupt the sideline reporter discussion :)-)) but Rohrbach with a nice story on one aspect of the Siakam trade that may not have been noticed: teams are hording 2025 draft picks.

While [the draft picks IND sent - IND's 2024 and 2026 (top-four protected) first-round draft picks and the worst 2024 first-round draft pick from HOU, LAC, OKC, or UT] might sound like a significant haul, there were whispers that the two 2024 first-round picks are more window dressing than they appear, given that this year's draft is considered to be the weakest in years.

Or, as one source told Yahoo Sports, "The worst draft maybe ever."

That same source added, "The big draft comes in 2025," when true seniors and anyone who uses the final year of COVID fifth-year eligibility will fill out the field, and we are beginning to see plenty of evidence to support that belief. The Phoenix Suns, who dealt the farm for Kevin Durant this past February, are the only team since the summer of 2022 to trade a 2025 first-round draft pick. That is 16 months — or an NBA lifetime — in which 29 teams have held closely to picks that could become Cooper Flagg or another top talent.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-fact-or-fiction-the-fallout-from-the-pascal-siakam-deal-extends-into-the-leagues-future-210852698.html
 

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The Phoenix Suns, who dealt the farm for Kevin Durant this past February, are the only team since the summer of 2022 to trade a 2025 first-round draft pick. That is 16 months — or an NBA lifetime — in which 29 teams have held closely to picks that could become Cooper Flagg or another top talent.
Some really bad teams, or at least teams who aren't making any deals own a lot of those 2025 picks. UTA, OKC, SAS have like 12 picks combined or something
 

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Some really bad teams, or at least teams who aren't making any deals own a lot of those 2025 picks. UTA, OKC, SAS have like 12 picks combined or something
Yeah, teams have been looking at the 2025 draft for a while. Article mentions that "[t]he Knicks, Pelicans, Thunder, Spurs and Jazz could all have at least as many as three first-round picks in 2025."

NOP are also jamming up LAL since they have a choice between 2024 and 2025 and until they decide which they are going to take, LAL can't trade 2024. :)
 

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The Clippers arena will have this:

Clippers owner Steve Ballmer offered some specifics of his team’s new palatial estate, including a section where fans will be contractually obligated not to wear opposing team gear or root for the opposing team. Teams such as the Celtics often have a large contingent of fans games in Los Angeles.
“It’s 51 rows, top to bottom,” Ballmer said. “It’s steeper than anything you see from this vantage point, to try to bring the fans in closer to the game. That’ll be what we call a Clipper-only zone. Some of you may notice sometimes because of all the transplants here in LA, we’ll see people from other places. But you actually have to register for what we call a Chuck-mark, our mascot. You have to follow us on Instagram. You have to buy a jersey. You have to have been a season ticket-holder, three or four different things you can pick from. But you’re not going to sit there if you’re not really on our team, and that’s the big wall that I’m really excited about.
This is among the stupider things I've come across in the last half century.

I guess they'll know who the "real" fans are.

I think they should a give out shirts that say "WE ARE SO SENSITIVE" to the fans in the "Clipper only" section. This isn't like European soccer where fans have to kept separate.
And they could decorate the area to look like a gated community. And give them blindfolds when they're getting blown out.
 

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Anthony Edwards goes to the line for 3 free throws, trailing by 3 with 3 seconds left (he's shooting .848 from the line this year). Misses the first and second, and misses the third on purpose, but so badly that he doesn't even catch rim.
These are the moments that make me love sports. No matter how great you are physically, the mental aspect always matters. Amazing how some people just seem to thrive on nerves and adrenaline, or not feel it at all, and others have to battle it.
 

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These are the moments that make me love sports. No matter how great you are physically, the mental aspect always matters. Amazing how some people just seem to thrive on nerves and adrenaline, or not feel it at all, and others have to battle it.
It’s also easy to forget that Anthony Edwards is still only 22 years old.
 

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I can't prove it, but I swear to god the Sixers and Bucks play one of the pistons/spurs/wizards every fucking week. Embiid has 34 points at halftime against Wemby, and the Bucks are up at half against the Cade-less pistons. They've already played the 1st and 4th easiest schedules in the league. Meanwhile we've got another WC playoff team on the road.
 

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I can't prove it, but I swear to god the Sixers and Bucks play one of the pistons/spurs/wizards every fucking week. Embiid has 34 points at halftime against Wemby, and the Bucks are up at half against the Cade-less pistons. They've already played the 1st and 4th easiest schedules in the league. Meanwhile we've got another WC playoff team on the road.
Yeah, in a four-game stretch early in the season, the Sixers played the Pistons and the Wizards twice apiece.
 

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Clifford royally fucking up. 38 seconds up 1 you have to get a two for one by calling a timeout.

They win anyway.
 

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Embiid is absolutely winning the MVP again, IF he can get to the 65 game minimum.

I still don't understand what Dallas is doing with their roster construction. Luka and Kyrie is as deadly a crunch time shot creating combo as there is, but they are so mediocre defensively, it just doesn't work. Maybe if you surrounded them with all-NBA level guys they could make it work, but Grant-level defenders aren't nearly enough. Luka had what looked like a monster game (33/18/13), but JB just kicked his ass. There's a really hard ceiling on your team when your two best offensively players are so bad defensively.
 

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Embiid is absolutely winning the MVP again, IF he can get to the 65 game minimum.

I still don't understand what Dallas is doing with their roster construction. Luka and Kyrie is as deadly a crunch time shot creating combo as there is, but they are so mediocre defensively, it just doesn't work. Maybe if you surrounded them with all-NBA level guys they could make it work, but Grant-level defenders aren't nearly enough. Luka had what looked like a monster game (33/18/13), but JB just kicked his ass. There's a really hard ceiling on your team when your two best offensively players are so bad defensively.
I get a lot of satisfaction from the belief that one of the only teams you could truly stash Kyrie on defense, and not have him be a liability is the Boston Celtics.

And that turd will never, ever be a Boston Celtic again.

Meanwhile, he ends up in a place that exposes his warts maybe more than any other. On offense, he needs the ball in his hands and he plays with the most ball dominant player in the game. Defensively, he needs a guard and a rim presence behind him, and that same ball dominant guard might be the worst defender in the NBA in Dallas, and Kleber ain't scaring nobody at the rim
 

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I can't prove it, but I swear to god the Sixers and Bucks play one of the pistons/spurs/wizards every fucking week. Embiid has 34 points at halftime against Wemby, and the Bucks are up at half against the Cade-less pistons. They've already played the 1st and 4th easiest schedules in the league. Meanwhile we've got another WC playoff team on the road.
Isn't that kinda good? The Celtics have the 2nd-easiest remaining SoS, and Milwaukee has the hardest. I know it's just winning %, but the Bucks still have both West coast road trips coming up (5 games and 4 games), against mostly tough teams.

The Celtics have one 5-game trip west, and then a 6-game trip against mostly bad teams (Detroit, Atlanta 2x, Charlotte, Chicago, and NOP).