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Some fools would consider that a "step back" in Tatum's performance, but we would likely know it meant a much more well-rounded role for the team, and increased TEAM performance, which is the aim, really.
Yeah if he's trading some "possessions used" in favor of those possessions ending up with higher points-per-possession because he's distributing better and/or other guys are open because of him, the team as a whole is ahead. Just like Eddie's point about how Pierce, Garnett and Allen all had statistically "better" years before they came together, because their teams needed to rely on each of them more, but once they had each other their individual stats went down because the team didn't have to rely on any one of them, and they were able to find each other as a better option than just trying to make something happen by themselves.

The snarky "description" tagline for the Port Cellar board used to be "...where every thread ends in a Paul Pierce ISO", because of how frequently PP would just call an iso play for himself and try to make something happen (which he was able to do at a pretty good clip, but still not as good as a Big 3 fully functioning). It became a cliche at the end of quarters. We've complained about Tatum doing likewise, but now Tatum has never before had as little reason as he does today to have to do that. Maybe soon the forum tagline can be "where every thread ends in a breakaway dunk" rather than "...in a contested fallaway midrange jumper". Looking at you, Jaylen.
 

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This would be great.

No one cares if Tatum's PPG goes down...if it goes down and his efficiency is down across the board, that would be a problem.
Agreed. I would take it a step further. It’s at the point where Tatum is going to be judged by one thing, how many playoff games he wins. He’s proven everything else.
 

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Tatum has increased his PPG every year (actually, he’s increased all three major counting stats each year), cracking 30 PPG last year, but I think that comes to an end this year and it will be interesting how he/media/fans deal with it. There just don’t seem to be enough shots with this likely starting 5 and “big 6.”

Kristaps is being underestimated all of a sudden in the wake of the Holiday trade. Dude is a scorer used to averaging 20+ a game.

Putting Al on the bench, the starters average 88 points per game for their careers!

I think Tatum is going to need to reimagine his game even more than he has, especially given some of the rebounding issues this team may have, and I wonder if he’s more of a 25/10/6 guy this year, scoring less but putting even more emphasis on mucking around down low and distributing to shooters.

I bet he’s first to the bench and we see a lot of Tatum and the bench mob in the early second quarter.
For sure on this.

Tatum will probably take a hit in scoring, I think Jaylen will probably take a bigger one.

The top guy will likely still get close to the same shots, but Jaylen has gone from being the clear #2 option, to being more a 2A/2B with Porzingis. Also clearing out 3 of their top guys in Smart/Rob/Grant who didn't shoot often will lead to someone in the rotation shooting less than last year, I'd guess it's Jaylen. Having KP in the post more than anyone on last years team will probably block some driving opportunities for him as well.

I guess he'll have to take solace in his decent lil contract.
 

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Just shaking my head at Brown not moving or passing at the end there. Hopefully he'll find that open guy in the corner next time!
Jaylen will stick out a bit within the offense, as he’s a slow decision maker amongst mostly quick ones. His value of course is that he’s a pretty efficient, high volume scorer who can hit tough shots.

I’m hoping we see him really lean into being more of an off ball threat, would make the offense more unpredictable, and Jaylen himself would benefit.
 

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Just shaking my head at Brown not moving or passing at the end there. Hopefully he'll find that open guy in the corner next time!
I imagine teams will aggressively double Jaylen as soon as dribbles and force him to beat them with a pass. JT was wide-open
 

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I imagine teams will aggressively double Jaylen as soon as dribbles and force him to beat them with a pass. JT was wide-open
Hopefully they have figured out how to avoid him getting trapped so frequently. Until he stops turning it over, he’s a major target.
 

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I would also expect pretty limited minutes from tonight’s starters. Weird to have a B2B as the first 2 games of the year, even in preseason. No point having those guys get hurt either, and plenty of opportunity for the deeper bench guys to show what they can do.
 

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Can you guys believe we blew that game 6 buzzer beater? I’m watching a recording of the preseason game before MNF and I think I have PTSD from that. I didn’t realize it until this moment.
 

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Can you guys believe we blew that game 6 buzzer beater? I’m watching a recording of the preseason game before MNF and I think I have PTSD from that. I didn’t realize it until this moment.
What are you talking about? The NBA called the season after game 6 ended.
 

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With the top 6 out, the backups and deep bench guys lost against a NY Knicks team that played their starters, but they were impressive in keeping it close.

Pritchard started at PG and immediately showed why he is a backup, as Jalen Brunson (who only plated 6 minutes) repeatedly took him to school, scoring 10 points on 4-5 shooting. Pritchard also struggled offensively while Bruson was torching him. But as the Knicks got past Bronson and deeper into their bench, Pritchard recovered some, ultimately scoring 21 points on 7-15 from the field and 4-11 from three and leading the team with 5 assists.

The Celtic who made the best impression was Dalano Banton, the 6'7" guard, who, like Pritchard, showed the good and the bad of himself in this one. He scored 20 points on 8-19 from the field (1-5 from three) and added 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and a turnover. He played a team high 30 minutes, including against the Knicks starters, and was a team low -17. The good: while the Knicks starters were schooling the Celtics early in the game, Banton was the only thing keeping them in it, scoring 8 of 16 Celtic points in 9 first quarter minutes. He did it almost exclusively by showing an ability to drive and get to the rim repeatedly against the Knick starters. The bad: he wasn't a great finisher at the rim in traffic (some of his driving layups looked like they had no shot coming out of his hand) and his outside shot was pretty lousy. A lot of room for improvement there. Though he's been listed as a PG at times in his career, he had only 2 assists and I don't trust the handle to bring the ball up against pressure. Also, he did a lot of driving and getting to the rim but not a lot of dishing the ball on his drives. So, there are things he needs to improve, but what he did do - penetrate and get to the rim - looks like a carrying skill for him, something that will ensure his NBA employment for a few years. Before we ever saw Romeo Langford, he had the reputation of being able to drive to the rim but havign a questionable shot. Last night, that is what Banton loked like - but he showed more ability to get to the rim against NBA starters in one quarter of one game than Langford did the whole time he was here. He also made a nice adjustment on one drive where instead of forcing his way to the basket he set himself up for a 14 footer which he hit. For this year, I think the questions for him are can he improve some in his weaker areas and how does he do in a more structured situation alongside our better players? Porzingis talked about how much attention Tatum draws in the offensive end and how he was able to play off of that. If Banton could do the same he could see some bench minutes this year.

Another guy who made a good impression was Svi Miykhailiuk, henceforth 'Svi.' The only Celtic who shot over 40% from 3 (3 of 7), Svi scored 15 points in 26 minutes. In addition to shooting, he showed an ability to get up and finish lobs. Not much in sceondary stats (3 rebounds, 1 assist), but he definitely looks like a guy who will put pressure on Hauser.

Speaking of Hauser, he has his second straight bad shooting game. He shot 2-9 from three, making him 2-15 on the preseason. That won't get it done. He did lead the team with 8 rebounds in 25 minutes. Much less athleticism than you see from Svi, so if he's not hitting his shots his minutes are vulnerable. But, he might be the guy who benefits from the attention the starters draw to get wide open catch and shoot looks.

JD Davison played only 14 minutes, but he flashed when the Celtics were in transition. In 14 minutes, he was 2-4 from the field, scoring 5 points, 4 assists, and getting 3 rebounds. Just one turnover and was a -1. We knew coming in he was a great lob thrower; in this game he also showed that he makes good decisions in transition. He was leading one break, with defenders back, but had 2 Celtics filling lanes slightly behind him. He slowed and moved to his right at the top of the key, creating a lane for Brissett to fill, and then fed Brissett for an open dunk. On the other hand, he looks no better than he did last year running a halfcourt offense.

Brissett and Stevens might be competing for the same "energy guy" type of role. Today, Stevens was better. Brissett had 10 points, 5 rebounds in 23 minutes, but also had 3 turnovers and missed all four of his three attempts. Two of the turnovers were on attempts to pump fake and drive which nearly always get called traveling. Stevens scored 11 points on 5-12 shooting (1-5 from three) in 27 minutes and tied Hauser for the team lead with 8 boards. But, Brissett played his minutes against the Knick starters. Which guy is better in a regular bench role? I still lean Brissett for now.

Jordan Walsh got his first action and played 19 minutes agaisnt the Knicks bench. He was not great but he flashed a few different things and looks like a worthwhile project. For the game he scored 4 on 2-5 from the field, missing both his threes, and turned it over twice. But he had 7 rebounds and 2 steals. One of the steals was a play where Randle had the ball and was working on Brissett art the top of the key and Walsh picked him, then went coast to coast and finished with a difficult layup in traffic. Later in the game, he ran a pick and roll and got to the rim with a nice finish. I like what I see from him, though I think this will be a developmental year where he doesn't play much.

Queta played 14 minutes and scored 7 points, had 4 rebounds, and picked up 5 fouls. Doesn't look like an aggressive to the rim guy such as Kabangele was last year, seemed like he was playing a bit slower than the competition. On one play, whether through luck or skill, he was matchup one on one with a Knick PG (not Brunson) and managed to shuffle the feet and stay in front of him. This is purely a developmental guy - I don;t see him pressing Kornet for minutes anytime soon - even though pressing Kornet minutes are right there for the taking.

Gabriel only played late, and he had 1 point, 4 rebounds, and 4 fouls in the final 10 minutes. Where Queta looked a step slow, Gabriel was all over the place as if he was playing at 1.5 speed and out of control/unproductive. He needs to settle in before he can be evaluated. Looking like he did today, he, too, is not pressing Kornet.

Kornet didn't look great in this one. 20 minutes, 2 rebounds, on a team that projects to e weak on the boards. Four points and 3 assists and 2 blocks.

All in all, backup C looks like a real problem for the Celtics, especially if Mazzulla wants to use a lot of 2 big looks.

Brissett/Stevens and Hauser/Svi look like interesting competitions for spots in the rotation. With no additional moves there is room for all to make the 15, but who plays may depends on who is a better lineup fit.

Backup PG is also a potential issue, in the sense that - as we've known - Pritchard can be exposed on the defensive end.

If Banton can round out his game and/or fit well alongside regular rotaton players, he could be a sneaky find. Walsh looks like a project but one with great potential.
 

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With the top 6 out, the backups and deep bench guys lost against a NY Knicks team that played their starters, but they were impressive in keeping it close.

Pritchard started at PG and immediately showed why he is a backup, as Jalen Brunson (who only plated 6 minutes) repeatedly took him to school, scoring 10 points on 4-5 shooting. Pritchard also struggled offensively while Bruson was torching him. But as the Knicks got past Bronson and deeper into their bench, Pritchard recovered some, ultimately scoring 21 points on 7-15 from the field and 4-11 from three and leading the team with 5 assists.

The Celtic who made the best impression was Dalano Banton, the 6'7" guard, who, like Pritchard, showed the good and the bad of himself in this one. He scored 20 points on 8-19 from the field (1-5 from three) and added 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and a turnover. He played a team high 30 minutes, including against the Knicks starters, and was a team low -17. The good: while the Knicks starters were schooling the Celtics early in the game, Banton was the only thing keeping them in it, scoring 8 of 16 Celtic points in 9 first quarter minutes. He did it almost exclusively by showing an ability to drive and get to the rim repeatedly against the Knick starters. The bad: he wasn't a great finisher at the rim in traffic (some of his driving layups looked like they had no shot coming out of his hand) and his outside shot was pretty lousy. A lot of room for improvement there. Though he's been listed as a PG at times in his career, he had only 2 assists and I don't trust the handle to bring the ball up against pressure. Also, he did a lot of driving and getting to the rim but not a lot of dishing the ball on his drives. So, there are things he needs to improve, but what he did do - penetrate and get to the rim - looks like a carrying skill for him, something that will ensure his NBA employment for a few years. Before we ever saw Romeo Langford, he had the reputation of being able to drive to the rim but havign a questionable shot. Last night, that is what Banton loked like - but he showed more ability to get to the rim against NBA starters in one quarter of one game than Langford did the whole time he was here. He also made a nice adjustment on one drive where instead of forcing his way to the basket he set himself up for a 14 footer which he hit. For this year, I think the questions for him are can he improve some in his weaker areas and how does he do in a more structured situation alongside our better players? Porzingis talked about how much attention Tatum draws in the offensive end and how he was able to play off of that. If Banton could do the same he could see some bench minutes this year.

Another guy who made a good impression was Svi Miykhailiuk, henceforth 'Svi.' The only Celtic who shot over 40% from 3 (3 of 7), Svi scored 15 points in 26 minutes. In addition to shooting, he showed an ability to get up and finish lobs. Not much in sceondary stats (3 rebounds, 1 assist), but he definitely looks like a guy who will put pressure on Hauser.

Speaking of Hauser, he has his second straight bad shooting game. He shot 2-9 from three, making him 2-15 on the preseason. That won't get it done. He did lead the team with 8 rebounds in 25 minutes. Much less athleticism than you see from Svi, so if he's not hitting his shots his minutes are vulnerable. But, he might be the guy who benefits from the attention the starters draw to get wide open catch and shoot looks.

JD Davison played only 14 minutes, but he flashed when the Celtics were in transition. In 14 minutes, he was 2-4 from the field, scoring 5 points, 4 assists, and getting 3 rebounds. Just one turnover and was a -1. We knew coming in he was a great lob thrower; in this game he also showed that he makes good decisions in transition. He was leading one break, with defenders back, but had 2 Celtics filling lanes slightly behind him. He slowed and moved to his right at the top of the key, creating a lane for Brissett to fill, and then fed Brissett for an open dunk. On the other hand, he looks no better than he did last year running a halfcourt offense.

Brissett and Stevens might be competing for the same "energy guy" type of role. Today, Stevens was better. Brissett had 10 points, 5 rebounds in 23 minutes, but also had 3 turnovers and missed all four of his three attempts. Two of the turnovers were on attempts to pump fake and drive which nearly always get called traveling. Stevens scored 11 points on 5-12 shooting (1-5 from three) in 27 minutes and tied Hauser for the team lead with 8 boards. But, Brissett played his minutes against the Knick starters. Which guy is better in a regular bench role? I still lean Brissett for now.

Jordan Walsh got his first action and played 19 minutes agaisnt the Knicks bench. He was not great but he flashed a few different things and looks like a worthwhile project. For the game he scored 4 on 2-5 from the field, missing both his threes, and turned it over twice. But he had 7 rebounds and 2 steals. One of the steals was a play where Randle had the ball and was working on Brissett art the top of the key and Walsh picked him, then went coast to coast and finished with a difficult layup in traffic. Later in the game, he ran a pick and roll and got to the rim with a nice finish. I like what I see from him, though I think this will be a developmental year where he doesn't play much.

Queta played 14 minutes and scored 7 points, had 4 rebounds, and picked up 5 fouls. Doesn't look like an aggressive to the rim guy such as Kabangele was last year, seemed like he was playing a bit slower than the competition. On one play, whether through luck or skill, he was matchup one on one with a Knick PG (not Brunson) and managed to shuffle the feet and stay in front of him. This is purely a developmental guy - I don;t see him pressing Kornet for minutes anytime soon - even though pressing Kornet minutes are right there for the taking.

Gabriel only played late, and he had 1 point, 4 rebounds, and 4 fouls in the final 10 minutes. Where Queta looked a step slow, Gabriel was all over the place as if he was playing at 1.5 speed and out of control/unproductive. He needs to settle in before he can be evaluated. Looking like he did today, he, too, is not pressing Kornet.

Kornet didn't look great in this one. 20 minutes, 2 rebounds, on a team that projects to e weak on the boards. Four points and 3 assists and 2 blocks.

All in all, backup C looks like a real problem for the Celtics, especially if Mazzulla wants to use a lot of 2 big looks.

Brissett/Stevens and Hauser/Svi look like interesting competitions for spots in the rotation. With no additional moves there is room for all to make the 15, but who plays may depends on who is a better lineup fit.

Backup PG is also a potential issue, in the sense that - as we've known - Pritchard can be exposed on the defensive end.

If Banton can round out his game and/or fit well alongside regular rotaton players, he could be a sneaky find. Walsh looks like a project but one with great potential.
Tbf to Pritchard, Brunson is by far the Knicks best offensive player. In a normal rotation, they'd just put Holiday or White on Brunson, switch less, and assign Pritchard to someone else, even if a bit bigger. He's strong enough to hold up against anyone who doesn't have a good enough midrange shot to just take guys down low and shoot over them.
 

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Svi looked a lot like the guy who was quite good in his 19 game stint in Charlotte last season. Catch and shoot threes, a couple off the dribble, and two relatively athletic dunks. He has a skill set this team can use, as he’s a pretty good ball handler and PnR guy.

JD looked good, but he’s going to need to be more aggressive looking for his own shot when he drives to the rim.
 

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Walsh is a prime “needs the game to slow down for him” guy. Hope we can get a lot of Geno time this season for him to get minutes to help accelerate that process. I believe the turnovers were both travels where his body was a bit ahead of his brain. Classic rookie stuff, but he’s got tools.
 

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JD looked good, but he’s going to need to be more aggressive looking for his own shot when he drives to the rim.
JD had a couple nice floaters for his points and I thought he looked in control while pushing the pace well. And his passing seems like maybe the best on the team - on time, in the right spot, and without telegraphing.

But Banton’s length and ability to use his long arms to get the ball to the rim is something JD just can’t match.

If White or Pritch miss time with injury, things will get interesting with the two of them. I think JD has an edge with his handle and distribution.
 

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If White or Pritch miss time with injury, things will get interesting with the two of them. I think JD has an edge with his handle and distribution.
I don't think there is any circumstance where JD gets meaningful minutes (ie, in non crunch time in real games) this year. Just can't run the halfcourt offense, and doesn't shoot well enough to be parked in a corner.

Non top 6 guys in the mix for meaningful minutes this year (in no particular order): Pritchard, Kornet (by default), Hauser, Svi, Brissett, Stevens, Banton.

Guys not in the mix: Walsh, Davison, Steward.

Guys who should not be in the mix but might be because the Celtics have so little C depth: Queta, Gabriel.

That's only based on wat they have shown thus far. I think Walsh has the u[pside potential to eventually be better than all of the non-top six guys, but at best he is nowhere near ready to play just yet.
 

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Saw a lot of squabbles on reddit about Hauser and Kornet being 'terrible' compared to Svi, Queta, etc, and I felt like 'huh? Those guys fit better with our starters/regular players than with a bunch of individuals all fighting to stand out for rotation - they're -already role players- in a situation where players are fighting just to get on the roster learning to be role players.

I'd really like to see how those guys play -with- our regulars...
 

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Walsh is a prime “needs the game to slow down for him” guy. Hope we can get a lot of Geno time this season for him to get minutes to help accelerate that process. I believe the turnovers were both travels where his body was a bit ahead of his brain. Classic rookie stuff, but he’s got tools.
I hope they play Walsh whether or not it's Geno time because the Cs can afford a few games and he's going to learn better when playing meaningful basketball than when playing garbage time (although admittedly this didn't work that well for Nesmith or Langford).
 

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you're saying the Celtics project to be weak on the boards? last year's #1 in the NBA in defensive rebounding? or you mean the Knicks?
Considering the Knicks have a really insane offensive rebounding rate, I'm not sure we can take much away from this particular pregame, especially with a team that was playing Mitchell Robinson against the Celtics bench.
 

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Saw a lot of squabbles on reddit about Hauser and Kornet being 'terrible' compared to Svi, Queta, etc, and I felt like 'huh? Those guys fit better with our starters/regular players than with a bunch of individuals all fighting to stand out for rotation - they're -already role players- in a situation where players are fighting just to get on the roster learning to be role players.

I'd really like to see how those guys play -with- our regulars...
This is true. This is how basically all of the bench questions will be resolved.
 

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you're saying the Celtics project to be weak on the boards? last year's #1 in the NBA in defensive rebounding? or you mean the Knicks?
Last year seemed like a bit of an anomaly given that we were 11th, 13th and 17th in DRB% from 2020-2022. Robert Williams was our best rebounder by a decent margin, with him gone I don't think it's unreasonable to worry about how it looks this year. We upgraded elsewhere in that regard (Holiday is a better rebounder than Smart), but I think we might have some trouble on the glass whenever Tatum is out of the game.
 

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Last year seemed like a bit of an anomaly given that we were 11th, 13th and 17th in DRB% from 2020-2022. Robert Williams was our best rebounder by a decent margin, with him gone I don't think it's unreasonable to worry about how it looks this year. We upgraded elsewhere in that regard (Holiday is a better rebounder than Smart), but I think we might have some trouble on the glass whenever Tatum is out of the game.
Ok but who are we replacing Williams' minutes with? A certain Kristaps whose on/off impact on defensive rebounding equals or exceeds that of TL's for most of the past few years right?
 

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Ok but who are we replacing Williams' minutes with? A certain Kristaps whose on/off impact on defensive rebounding equals or exceeds that of TL's for most of the past few years right?
Yes, and as observed somewhere else (in this thread?), Porzingis seems far more willing to put a body on a big so that his teammates can rebound. If his rebounds are lower, but his teammates' rebounds are higher, does it really matter -who- gets the rebound as long as a Celtic does?

(And honestly, I'm willing to bet Porzingis is healthier than Time Lord.)
 

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His defensive rebounding is actually a lot closer than I thought - their total rebounding numbers are pretty far off (per 36 minutes, KP averages 9.2 rebounds for his career, vs 12.2 per 36 for Rob), but almost the entire gap is on the offensive glass. Rob's ORB% for the last few years is around 14% while KP is under 7%, but Rob is just a percentage point or two better on the defensive boards.
 

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His defensive rebounding is actually a lot closer than I thought - their total rebounding numbers are pretty far off (per 36 minutes, KP averages 9.2 rebounds for his career, vs 12.2 per 36 for Rob), but almost the entire gap is on the offensive glass. Rob's ORB% for the last few years is around 14% while KP is under 7%, but Rob is just a percentage point or two better on the defensive boards.
ORB% these days is highly tied to whether you are spacing or down low, too. I am sure it would be closer if we had KP playing TL's role, which we definitely don't.
 

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All in all, backup C looks like a real problem for the Celtics, especially if Mazzulla wants to use a lot of 2 big looks.
Kornet is absolutely fine as a back-up center to KP and Horford. What he does in the pre-season means nothing since we know who he is at this point. I think the double-big lineup gets put to bed if either KP or Horford get injured. Joe has a bunch of good smaller line-ups he can go to.

And I thought Queta actually looked ok as a potential emergency stop-gap center. Perfect use of a two-way contract.
 

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A lot depends on how CJM uses him. I think double big requires too many minutes from Kornet, and if they keep Horford out of B2B I can’t imagine he would run Kornet out there to start with KP.
 

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A lot depends on how CJM uses him. I think double big requires too many minutes from Kornet, and if they keep Horford out of B2B I can’t imagine he would run Kornet out there to start with KP.
The double big thing only really works with Horford being one of those bigs. If Kornet plays well, then we may see some Horford/Kornet and some Horford/Porzingis lineups, but with Horford likely only playing 25 minutes a night, and only 60 games a year, I just don't think there are many minutes available for those double big lineups.

They may experiment with a Porzingis/Kornet or Porzingis/random big, but I doubt they lean into that too much.
 

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The double big thing only really works with Horford being one of those bigs. If Kornet plays well, then we may see some Horford/Kornet and some Horford/Porzingis lineups, but with Horford likely only playing 25 minutes a night, and only 60 games a year, I just don't think there are many minutes available for those double big lineups.

They may experiment with a Porzingis/Kornet or Porzingis/random big, but I doubt they lean into that too much.
You're missing the Queta/Kornet pairing. Make it happen Joe, your fans need this! :p
 

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Brown and Tatum are out again. The Celtics are starting Porzingis, Horford, Hauser, Holiday, and White.

I'm guessing the first 5 off the bench will be Pritchard, Kornet, Brissett, Banton, and Svi.
 

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The Celtics without the Jays defeated Philly without Harden and Embiid.

The regulars were fine, with Horford scoring 9 and Holiday, White, and Porzingis scoring 11 each in 17 minutes. Porzingis has a tendency to turn the ball over when he's got the ball a lot - maybe that will be a non-issue with the Jays. White gave Maxsey fits and had 3 blocks and a team-leading 4 assists. Holiday was smooth and shot well.

Hauser started and had his best game of the preseason, scoring 15 points in 22 minutes on 4-9 from three. Also had 4 rebounds, 3 assists, a steal and a block. (His competition, Svi, kept the pressure on, coming off the bench to score 15 points on 5-6 from the field and 3-4 from three, along with 6 rebounds and 2 assists.)

Banton, the standout from the previous game, was the first guy off the bench tonight, but he was much less effective, scoring no points (0-3 from the field) and tunring it over twice. He started the second half and Mazzulla pulled him 26 seconds in and had some words for him. He did have 4 rebounds and a nice assist - getting into the paint and then throwing a nice lob for Queta.

Pritchard was more or less his usual self, scoring 17 points on 7-15 shootin. Only 3-9 from three but he made up for it with some nice fast break and in the paint moves.

Brissett and alter ego Stevens played 16 minutes each and combined to shoot 0-8. Brissett had 6 renounds and 2 assists.

Kornet didn't do much, his best play was his last one: taking a low pass from Svi and going up for an and one right before he came out of the game for good.

Queta had a legit good game, playing 8 minutes and scoring 10 points (4-4 from the field) with 3 rebounds and 2 assists during an 18-3 Celtic run, with Banton, JDD and others all looking to get him the ball.

JDD didn;t have the stats but he had a couple of nice plays in the halfcourt game which is good to see from him.

Walsh played 13 minutes and scored 1 point on 0-3 from the field, but he almost had a nice finish in traffic under the basket.
 

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Hauser started and had his best game of the preseason, scoring 15 points in 22 minutes on 4-9 from three. Also had 4 rebounds, 3 assists, a steal and a block. (His competition, Svi, kept the pressure on, coming off the bench to score 15 points on 5-6 from the field and 3-4 from three, along with 6 rebounds and 2 assists.)
I didn't see the game but I don't think it's fair to call Svi Hauser's competition (which I've noted before). Svi has a little handle and can slot between the 2/3. He could conceivably play with Hauser.

Regardless, he's showing he has potential as a rotation player. Sneaky good signing by Stevens.
 

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My main takeaway is that Hauser and Pritchard are at a different level of comfort from the other bench guys, and are clearly a step above. Hauser, in particular, looks a lot more decisive on both ends, and has added minor stuff to his offensive game.

Svi looks solid as a backup 2/3.

Stevens and Brissett are bricklayers, although I could see Stevens getting some "Semi on Giannis" type minutes, since he's a tank.

Kornet is whatever, but he's playable.

Overall, PP/Hauser/Kornet/Svi is a fine 7-10. I bet Stevens sticks too, because big wing is the C's thinnest position.
 

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Pritch/Svi/Hauser/Tatum/KP lineups will put up some ridiculous net rating numbers. It’s just too much shooting out there with Tatum, plus KP is a big-time roll threat.
 

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Pritch/Svi/Hauser/Tatum/KP lineups will put up some ridiculous net rating numbers. It’s just too much shooting out there with Tatum, plus KP is a big-time roll threat.
Yeah, especially because they'd mostly play against 2nd units that can't punish PP and Svi that well.
 

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Yeah, especially because they'd mostly play against 2nd units that can't punish PP and Svi that well.
The ability to pretty much always have one of Holiday or KP on the court with Jaylen is going to be so big for this team. Those lineups without Tatum should still be able to comfortably beat up on other teams, which as we all know, has been an issue for them.
 

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My main takeaway is that Hauser and Pritchard are at a different level of comfort from the other bench guys, and are clearly a step above. Hauser, in particular, looks a lot more decisive on both ends, and has added minor stuff to his offensive game.

Svi looks solid as a backup 2/3.

Stevens and Brissett are bricklayers, although I could see Stevens getting some "Semi on Giannis" type minutes, since he's a tank.

Kornet is whatever, but he's playable.

Overall, PP/Hauser/Kornet/Svi is a fine 7-10. I bet Stevens sticks too, because big wing is the C's thinnest position.
Brad can feel good about WING depth with Hauser, Svi, Stevens, Brissett, and Banton.

3 pre-season games don't really tell us much but bench Center feels like the Celtic's thinnest position. Kornet has a few months to assert himself.

The 3rd BIG is going to play a lot of regular-season minutes. Plus there could be match-ups in the playoffs where CJM will want to play KP/Al together. It's the one role 1-10 that I could see Brad upgrading, otherwise, this roster is the best they have had in Brad's era.
 

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Yeah, especially because they'd mostly play against 2nd units that can't punish PP and Svi that well.
It’ll be interesting to see if the “Tatum and bomb squad” lineups this year have enough shooting to overcome the defensive limitations on paper. There’s something to be said for putting pressure on an opponent to knock down quality shots if they know they’ll almost always be giving up open looks to guys who can knock them down reliably on the other end.
 

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It’ll be interesting to see if the “Tatum and bomb squad” lineups this year have enough shooting to overcome the defensive limitations on paper. There’s something to be said for putting pressure on an opponent to knock down quality shots if they know they’ll almost always be giving up open looks to guys who can knock them down reliably on the other end.
I'd be especially concerned with transition defense when these lineups are on the floor. We better knock down those shots.
 

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I didn't see the game but I don't think it's fair to call Svi Hauser's competition (which I've noted before). Svi has a little handle and can slot between the 2/3. He could conceivably play with Hauser.
I don't disagree that they are different, and could play together, but I still think Svi's most straightforward road to minutes in through Hauser. There aren't that many bench minutes to be had with everyone healthy, and playing Svi Hauser together means foewer minutes for, for example, Brissett. And I think the Celtics gave Brissett a 1+1 rather than a camp deal like Svi, Stevens, etc. for a reason.

I could see Svi getting ahead of Banton in the rotation, because he brings more immediate value, but I don;t think that is a regular minutes role.
 

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It’ll be interesting to see if the “Tatum and bomb squad” lineups this year have enough shooting to overcome the defensive limitations on paper. There’s something to be said for putting pressure on an opponent to knock down quality shots if they know they’ll almost always be giving up open looks to guys who can knock them down reliably on the other end.
I’ll go to two years ago, when Pritchard played more minutes, and we had Kanter for half the season. It’s short sample stuff, but most bench lineup combos usually are.

Tatum with Kanter on, and Rob/Al/Smart off: +10.5 net in 294 possessions.

Tatum with Pritchard on, and Rob/Al/Smart off: +16.4 in 341 possessions

Tatum on, Smart/Jaylen/Al/Rob off: +20 net rating in 439 possessions.


Last year we had mostly good defenders, but just to give an idea.

Tatum with Brogdon/Hauser on: +8.9 net in 636 possessions.

Tatum with Hauser/Kornet on: +23.6 net in 442 possessions.

Tatum without Al/Rob/Smart/Jaylen: +11.9 net in 768 possessions.

You give Tatum shooters and a roll man, the other team is going to get destroyed. He goes crazy when he’s asked to play Luka/Harden ball.