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The best news there is KP potentially playing. All the evidence in the world points to them just resting him to get ready for the playoffs, but until I see him on the court, I'm still gonna have KG 2009 vibes.
Porzingis last played 11 days ago, 3/7 in Denver. If we put him out there for 15-20' tonight to get some reps, he should be in great shape for Milwaukee on Wednesday, which is where I really want to see him. Have him shoot a few 3s, run a few post-ups, get back into the mental space for running our offense and how we do screens... but not wear himself out with a full game load. In the 46 games he's played this season, he's averaged ~30 MPG. We won't need that out of him until late April.

(and if we just kept him on ice another week, I still wouldn't hate it at all)
 

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I have no issue sitting JT with Hauser out and letting Brissett/Svi/Walsh get some extended minutes against the Pistons. And if that makes for some funky lineups where we get more Springer and other seldom used guys, I am all for it. Let some depth guys get some game action in a pretty low stakes game.
 

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If JT is going to sit, a home Monday game is probably the most likely scenario. He feels a real obligation to show up on the road where fans only get one chance a year to see him. Especially with fans really packing away arenas lately, he's not going to hit in Detroit.
 

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If JT is going to sit, a home Monday game is probably the most likely scenario. He feels a real obligation to show up on the road where fans only get one chance a year to see him. Especially with fans really packing away arenas lately, he's not going to hit in Detroit.
Looks like he is indeed going to miss the game, and JB and KP are playing.
 

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The 72 Lakers had a net rating of 10.5, the 71 Bucks had a net rating of 10.8, and the 17 Warriors had a net rating of 11.6.

If the Celtics do end up winning the title, in retrospect it's gonna feel awfully inevitable.
They're +220 at FanDuel, which seems like bettors think the Celtics still have some choke in them. Otherwise, if you could go back in time and bet on any one of those three teams or any of Jordan's Bulls teams at the start of the playoffs with those odds, you'd bet your house, wouldn't you?
 

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They're +220 at FanDuel, which seems like bettors think the Celtics still have some choke in them. Otherwise, if you could go back in time and bet on any one of those three teams or any of Jordan's Bulls teams at the start of the playoffs with those odds, you'd bet your house, wouldn't you?
You can actually look up the odds historically. 17-18 Warriors were -180 in April. The Bulls were +140 in 98 prior to the start of the playoffs, -200 and -400 the two years prior to that.

I don't think its having "choke" in them, more reflective of the injury risk for the rest of the regular season + playoffs. I think if they arrive to the playoffs fully healthy you'll see them around that 98 bulls number.

These are interesting to look at: https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-champs/
 

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It's starting to sink in that we're watching one of the greatest teams in the history of the sport take the floor every night. HRB made this point a while ago, but it didn't hit me until recently. Like many I've been looking past the regular season since before it started, but man, it is incredible what these guys are doing.
 

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I’m pumped to see Tillman man up Giannis Wednesday. This dude is borderline All NBA level good on D.
 

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Celtics 3-point shooting the last few games:

@ UTA: 20 / 49 (40.8%)
v PHX: 25 / 50 (50%)
@ WAS: 24 / 50 (48.0%)
v DET: 22 / 49 (44.9%)

We're up to 2nd in 3P%, while still being first in 3PA by a long ways (43.2 / g, vs #2 DAL 39.5 / g, except dallas is 12th at 3P% at 37.0%). If OKC has a bad shooting night, we might even overtake them.

Fire Coach Mazzulla!
 

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I’m pumped to see Tillman man up Giannis Wednesday. This dude is borderline All NBA level good on D.
He appears to be kind of slow and lumbering, probably because he is built like a brick shithouse, but he is glued to guys on the perimeter and as promised in the scouting report his recovery timing to block shots is impeccable.

Great little add by POBOBS, and Springer looks like an interesting prospect too. There’s more than a little early Avery Bradley there.
 

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He appears to be kind of slow and lumbering, probably because he is built like a brick shithouse, but he is glued to guys on the perimeter and as promised in the scouting report his recovery timing to block shots is impeccable.

Great little add by POBOBS, and Springer looks like an interesting prospect too. There’s more than a little early Avery Bradley there.
I think I posted here that the biggest need at the deadline was a passable 3rd big in case Kornet couldn't quite cut it, and I couldn't have asked for a more realistic option than Tillman. He might never see a minute of meaningful playoff action, but the fact that the Celtics have another potentially useful big for when Horford/KP are in foul trouble or injured is huge.

It's starting to sink in that we're watching one of the greatest teams in the history of the sport take the floor every night. HRB made this point a while ago, but it didn't hit me until recently. Like many I've been looking past the regular season since before it started, but man, it is incredible what these guys are doing.
I very clearly remember feeling sad in the 4th quarter of the game 6 blowout against the Lakers in 08, because I knew that was the last time I'd get to see that particular team. I don't remember feeling like that about any other Boston title team, although maybe I would've about the Pats if any of their super bowl wins were blowouts.

This has been a bit different. We saw him pull up lame with the calf injury against Orlando, he left the game and missed four more. We saw him roll his ankle against Miami, he left the game and then missed the next two. We last saw KP in the closing minutes against Denver, looking fine as far as I can remember, then his name popped up on the injury report and he's missed five straight games. If this was happening in December instead of March, the level of concern would be quite a bit higher, I think.
Very, very happy to be wrong about this. KP put up 20/8 on 14 shots over 21 minutes, looked great.
 

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It's starting to sink in that we're watching one of the greatest teams in the history of the sport take the floor every night. HRB made this point a while ago, but it didn't hit me until recently. Like many I've been looking past the regular season since before it started, but man, it is incredible what these guys are doing.
I'm with you, and that's why watching even these last games against bad teams is appointment viewing. This team doesn't have Larry Bird or Kevin Garnett, but the overall talent 1 - 9 is about as good as any Celtics team I have seen. I keep thinking how much better Luke Kornet is than Greg Kite was. I wouldn't have said it at the beginning of the season, but Sam Hauser is better than 85-86 Scott Wedman. Pritchard and Sichting are a wash. Yes, Walton is much better than Horford, but having a healthy Walton as your 6th man was sick. The guards on the two teams are a wash; Bird + McHale are better than the Js, but not by much; and KP is better than Parish. So overall, I give the edge to the 86 Celtics, but that's the only Celtics team that I can think of that was better than this one, and even that is close.
 

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It's starting to sink in that we're watching one of the greatest teams in the history of the sport take the floor every night. HRB made this point a while ago, but it didn't hit me until recently. Like many I've been looking past the regular season since before it started, but man, it is incredible what these guys are doing.
I said it a while back. They’re going down as better than 08. But they have to finish the job obviously.
Celtics 3-point shooting the last few games:

@ UTA: 20 / 49 (40.8%)
v PHX: 25 / 50 (50%)
@ WAS: 24 / 50 (48.0%)
v DET: 22 / 49 (44.9%)

We're up to 2nd in 3P%, while still being first in 3PA by a long ways (43.2 / g, vs #2 DAL 39.5 / g, except dallas is 12th at 3P% at 37.0%). If OKC has a bad shooting night, we might even overtake them.

Fire Coach Mazzulla!
Last night the true rotation players were 19-36.
I think I posted here that the biggest need at the deadline was a passable 3rd big in case Kornet couldn't quite cut it, and I couldn't have asked for a more realistic option than Tillman. He might never see a minute of meaningful playoff action, but the fact that the Celtics have another potentially useful big for when Horford/KP are in foul trouble or injured is huge.



I very clearly remember feeling sad in the 4th quarter of the game 6 blowout against the Lakers in 08, because I knew that was the last time I'd get to see that particular team. I don't remember feeling like that about any other Boston title team, although maybe I would've about the Pats if any of their super bowl wins were blowouts.



Very, very happy to be wrong about this. KP put up 20/8 on 14 shots over 21 minutes, looked great.
I remember feeling sad that the 2003 season was over because it was like, who do we play next week since they had won 15 straight. But by the end of 2004 I was ready for a break. It was two straight years of high intensity Sundays.
 

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I’m pumped to see Tillman man up Giannis Wednesday. This dude is borderline All NBA level good on D.
Whenever I see Tillman on the court I observe how similar his size is to Lebron. That he can successfully mirror a single aspect of Lebron‘s game (man up defense) is good but Lebron…holy schnikees!

Tillman was a very solid pick up and I’m liking what Springer is showing as well. Both are very good fits for this team. If these 2 stick around for a few years will we even need our draft picks? Am thinking Brad will trade current picks for future assets?
 

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Xavier Tillman reminds me of Al Horford. Not a young Al Horford, more like a 50 year old Al Horford.

But seriously, he does so many things well. He's a great positional defender, he has great hands, and he's a better rim protector than his athleticism should warrant. The ability to mix and match Tillman and Kornet based on matchups will be a real luxury for Mazzulla in the playoffs.
 

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Last night's game was so much fun to watch. The first quarter sequence about 3 minutes into game when Kornet rejected Duren at the rim leading to a fast break where DW threads the needle with a bounce pass to fast PP streaking ahead of the pack for a layup was sublime. I am thoroughly enjoying this season.
 

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I'll say Springer hasn't impressed me one bit so far. Hasn't hit his shots, has gotten blown by on D by the end-of-bench Pistons and Wizards guys, and while he got an unfavorable whistle in Washington, some of it was his own f-ups, too. Maybe he's a prospect to develop over the next few years, but he doesn't look like a playable NBA-er right now, he looks like a garbage-time guy who gets a bunch of time in Maine under normal circumstances.

Tillman, meanwhile, has jumped over Oshae Brissett as the beef wing off the bench, and has come for some of Kornet's minutes, too. The guy found his role on the team VERY quickly, cracked our (approaching legendary?) rotation, and I'm quite impressed with it. Perhaps I'm most impressed with him hitting a few of his 3s, because the book on him as he came here was "great D... but just know: he can't shoot".

From the trade thread:
One glaring weakness…his ft shooting is so bad (41%) he might be unplayable in the playoffs.
Well, two glaring weaknesses: his FG% is worse :(
I would also assume that, while not ever going to be a feature option offensively, his shooting numbers should improve (whether due to progressing to his career mean and/or playing with a very talented group of other offensive players). His TS% is only at .440 while his career is prior to this season was .585 (although, his horrific free throw percentage may or may not rebound-- his career average was 61% and he sits 44% this year).
Anyhoo...I absolutely love the Tillman move. He's exactly the type of player that gives the Celtics fits in the playoffs. He's totally viable to play 10 minutes situationally. He's a tough, high IQ player. He reminds me of PJ Tucker but with more switchability, better handle, better passing and unfortunately far, far worse shooting. The fact that he's young and re-signable, coupled with the acquisition cost makes this move an absolute homerun.
Young Al Horford grew up in a different NBA, which is likely the only reason why he wasn't already a serviceable 3 point shooting big. Through age 25, Tillman has shot:

273 on deep 2's
.264 from 3 (182 attempts)
.574 from the line.

Through age 25, Al shot:

.463 on deep 2's
.250 from 3 (12 attempts)
.761 from the line

I don't think Tillman's on the same track when it comes to outside shooting.
Tillman for Boston so far (in 126 mins):

.786 2P%, broken into:
<5': 9 for 9
5-9': 1 for 4
deep 2: 0 for 1
3s: 3 for 11 (.273)

3 for 4 on FTs

I don't know if those 3s are enough to keep defenses honest on him, but he probably only needs to sink one in a series to have them not cheat off him on the perimeter, which would make him far more playable on offense. That, and keeping up the improved FTs. I hope he's in the gym shooting 1000 a day like Ray Allen right now.
 

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One huge difference this year—and even as the year has developed—is that this team rarely plays down to the level of the opposition.

last year it seemed to happen a lot all the way through the playoffs. Thus far, this years team decimates bad teams. That’s another indicia of consistency which is encouraging
 

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I'll say Springer hasn't impressed me one bit so far. Hasn't hit his shots, has gotten blown by on D by the end-of-bench Pistons and Wizards guys, and while he got an unfavorable whistle in Washington, some of it was his own f-ups, too. Maybe he's a prospect to develop over the next few years, but he doesn't look like a playable NBA-er right now, he looks like a garbage-time guy who gets a bunch of time in Maine under normal circumstances.

Tillman, meanwhile, has jumped over Oshae Brissett as the beef wing off the bench, and has come for some of Kornet's minutes, too. The guy found his role on the team VERY quickly, cracked our (approaching legendary?) rotation, and I'm quite impressed with it. Perhaps I'm most impressed with him hitting a few of his 3s, because the book on him as he came here was "great D... but just know: he can't shoot".

From the trade thread:






Tillman for Boston so far (in 126 mins):

.786 2P%, broken into:
<5': 9 for 9
5-9': 1 for 4
deep 2: 0 for 1
3s: 3 for 11 (.273)

3 for 4 on FTs

I don't know if those 3s are enough to keep defenses honest on him, but he probably only needs to sink one in a series to have them not cheat off him on the perimeter, which would make him far more playable on offense. That, and keeping up the improved FTs. I hope he's in the gym shooting 1000 a day like Ray Allen right now.
if he sinks a three in a series there's very little chance in my mind a team will suddenly be like o no can't cheat off Tillman.

you sag off him on the three point line 100 pct of the time if you're a competent coaching staff.
 

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One huge difference this year—and even as the year has developed—is that this team rarely plays down to the level of the opposition.

last year it seemed to happen a lot all the way through the playoffs. Thus far, this years team decimates bad teams. That’s another indicia of consistency which is encouraging
Last year vs. teams below .500, 24-10
This year vs. teams below .500, 26-1

That’s almost unbelievable. Even when some key guys rest, this team does not take nights off.
 

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A bit of Cs talk in the new JJ-Lebron podcast:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2XVtWfancQ


My favorite part is Lebron's off-hand reference to the Cs getting Jrue for a "bag of Lay's chips," which is both a good line and 100% a paid product placement that he planned to use. Very Lebron. But pretty harsh on Brogdon and the TimeLord!
This is hilarious because LeBron is actually a Ruffles guy (as is Tatum). I guess Lay's are cheaper than Ruffles so it fits better in the reference
 

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God, the rest of the regular season is so fetch. Can we please just get this shindig started?
 

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I'll say Springer hasn't impressed me one bit so far. Hasn't hit his shots, has gotten blown by on D by the end-of-bench Pistons and Wizards guys, and while he got an unfavorable whistle in Washington, some of it was his own f-ups, too. Maybe he's a prospect to develop over the next few years, but he doesn't look like a playable NBA-er right now, he looks like a garbage-time guy who gets a bunch of time in Maine under normal circumstances.

Tillman, meanwhile, has jumped over Oshae Brissett as the beef wing off the bench, and has come for some of Kornet's minutes, too. The guy found his role on the team VERY quickly, cracked our (approaching legendary?) rotation, and I'm quite impressed with it. Perhaps I'm most impressed with him hitting a few of his 3s, because the book on him as he came here was "great D... but just know: he can't shoot".

From the trade thread:






Tillman for Boston so far (in 126 mins):

.786 2P%, broken into:
<5': 9 for 9
5-9': 1 for 4
deep 2: 0 for 1
3s: 3 for 11 (.273)

3 for 4 on FTs

I don't know if those 3s are enough to keep defenses honest on him, but he probably only needs to sink one in a series to have them not cheat off him on the perimeter, which would make him far more playable on offense. That, and keeping up the improved FTs. I hope he's in the gym shooting 1000 a day like Ray Allen right now.
To be fair, I pointed out how out how his insanely poor shooting in Memphis was an outlier in his career, and hoped that playing with the most talented top six in the league would benefit him more than playing with the Memphis Hustle.

It has, which is a wonderful thing. I wouldn't overreact to Tillman making a three or two though. He's not going to suddenly start making them at 35 percent clip.
 

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A bit of Cs talk in the new JJ-Lebron podcast:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2XVtWfancQ


My favorite part is Lebron's off-hand reference to the Cs getting Jrue for a "bag of Lay's chips," which is both a good line and 100% a paid product placement that he planned to use. Very Lebron. But pretty harsh on Brogdon and the TimeLord!
Thanks for posting (& the timestamps @m0ckduck )

After the funny Lay's comment their discussion of the offense-hunting bad defenders on every possession (not doing that in the past/Game of Chess) further emphasizes "your defense is only as strong as your weakest defender".

Much like the post-up Centers of the 90s. Offense-only shrimpy guards that can't defend should be dropping in value (ie Trae Young.

Having two good offensive & All-Defense guards makes the Celtics un-huntable.
 

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I guess the Horford comparisons come from the passing and lateral movement but Tillman looks beefy out there and reminds me a lot of those stout bigs from the 1990s.
 

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Tillman kind of reminds me of PJ Tucker tbh, who played plenty of center in Houston. Obviously I’m speaking more defensively than offensively. Tucker was a better shooter, but Tillman is a similar passer on short rolls and such.

Defensively he moves his feet much like Tucker, and ball handlers just die when they try to bump him to get by. With the league letting more physical play go, it only makes him tougher on the perimeter.
 

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Tillman kind of reminds me of PJ Tucker tbh, who played plenty of center in Houston. Obviously I’m speaking more defensively than offensively. Tucker was a better shooter, but Tillman is a similar passer on short rolls and such.

Defensively he moves his feet much like Tucker, and ball handlers just die when they try to bump him to get by. With the league letting more physical play go, it only makes him tougher on the perimeter.
The obvious comp imo is Draymond. Similar height and wingspan, ability to move feet on the perimeter, and challenges at the rim much, much better than Tucker.

Of course, Draymond is a DPOY and one of the greatest defenders to ever play, so the comp only goes so far. But Tillman rates really highly defensively by metrics and the eye test, and so "middle-class man's Draymond" isn't that far off imo.
 

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One huge difference this year—and even as the year has developed—is that this team rarely plays down to the level of the opposition.

last year it seemed to happen a lot all the way through the playoffs. Thus far, this years team decimates bad teams. That’s another indicia of consistency which is encouraging
Offensive culture and execution. All the guys from 1-13 or so know what the plan is on offense, and they're a machine out there. Bad teams just don't have a chance, since they don't have the defensive talent/execution to withstand it possession after possession.

Coaching staff needs to get major, major props for this offensive improvement imo, since it's not just based on pure talent. They play so purposefully on that end almost all the time.
 

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The obvious comp imo is Draymond. Similar height and wingspan, ability to move feet on the perimeter, and challenges at the rim much, much better than Tucker.

Of course, Draymond is a DPOY and one of the greatest defenders to ever play, so the comp only goes so far. But Tillman rates really highly defensively by metrics and the eye test, and so "middle-class man's Draymond" isn't that far off imo.
So like a rich man's Guershon Yabusele?
 

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Tillman kind of reminds me of PJ Tucker tbh, who played plenty of center in Houston. Obviously I’m speaking more defensively than offensively. Tucker was a better shooter, but Tillman is a similar passer on short rolls and such.

Defensively he moves his feet much like Tucker, and ball handlers just die when they try to bump him to get by. With the league letting more physical play go, it only makes him tougher on the perimeter.
Reminds me of PJ too - but PJ was in Europe through his age 26 season. I assume his stroke as evolving over there... Tillman has time to develop it, but it is probably not happening this season.

If it comes to Tillman or Luke on the roster next year I am not sure which way I side... Love what I have seen from Luke this season and I wonder if they see enough in Walsh / Brissette to not extend Tillman. To be fair it may be neither Luke / Tillman.
 

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I’m pumped to see Tillman man up Giannis Wednesday. This dude is borderline All NBA level good on D.
I hope we see a ton of Tillman on Giannis to see how he reacts & performs.

Not only for this game and the playoffs this year but in regards to FA this summer (Bird rights attached)

X (6'8"/245/7'2' wingspan) is a bigger & better defender than Grant Williams (6'7"/236/6'10').
Glad Brad didn't pay up.
 
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Celtics are 19-3 (.864) in their last 22. That's 71-win pace.

They are 25-5 (.833) in their last 30. That's 68-win pace.

During this stretch, they've beaten:

- Miami twice, including once by 33 at Miami
- New York by 14 at NY
- Dallas twice, including once by 28 in Boston
- Phoenix twice, by 10 and 15 points
- Golden State by 52 points

Their three losses were the inexplicable loss to the Lakers, the one-point loss to Cleveland where they overruled a foul that would have sent Tatum to the line to win it, and their second loss to the Nuggets in Denver in which Boston was within one in the last 20 seconds or so.
 

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Celtics are 19-3 (.864) in their last 22. That's 71-win pace.

They are 25-5 (.833) in their last 30. That's 68-win pace.

During this stretch, they've beaten:

- Miami twice, including once by 33 at Miami
- New York by 14 at NY
- Dallas twice, including once by 28 in Boston
- Phoenix twice, by 10 and 15 points
- Golden State by 52 points

Their three losses were the inexplicable loss to the Lakers, the one-point loss to Cleveland where they overruled a foul that would have sent Tatum to the line to win it, and their second loss to the Nuggets in Denver in which Boston was within one in the last 20 seconds or so.
In other words, no wins over .600 + teams. Oh, wait, the Knicks are .603!
 

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I only listened for about 15 minutes, but it’s really fantastic.
Watched it full - and yes, it's great stuff.

It's easy to root against LBJ with him playing for some of the Celtics biggest EC rivals and now LA, but off the court you really have to clutch at straws with "The Decision" and him not solving the China/Hongkong single-handedly.
 

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How big is the collective freakout going to be if we lose tomorrow to Milwaukee? I try to be balanced, and I know it's one game, but I honestly wouldn't feel great.