There is absolutely no way that hey Vikings would be open to trading Cousins. They have MVP candidate and the best WR in football talking contract. Where did this rumor start?
I’ve never seen a trade for a QB2 that was just signed. Panthers gave him $8 million guaranteed. I mean, anything is possible if the Panthers decide to tank early, but this seems in the same universe as Carr or Brady. I guess the Jets may be more motivated, but this seems unlikely to say the least.Brissett is also a Commander, the players cited were possible targets for acquisition, not necessarily free agents.
Have you seen many teams with Super Bowl aspirations and a very talented roster lose their starter for the year in the first series? And this isn't exactly like Brady 2008 when you know you'll have a lot more shots once the guy returns either. I think everything is on the table for the Jets.I’ve never seen a trade for a QB2 that was just signed. Panthers gave him $8 million guaranteed. I mean, anything is possible if the Panthers decide to tank early, but this seems in the same universe as Carr or Brady. I guess the Jets may be more motivated, but this seems unlikely to say the least.
According to the web, the Rams would save $1.5 million this year trading Stafford, but would be on the dead cap hook for $18.5 million each of the next three years. Which seems less than ideal.Not sure how the cap works out on it but Stafford probably falls into the same pipe dream category as acquiring Cousins.
The Rams just blew out the Seahawks and I doubt McVay came back to tank but they have a pretty bad roster overall that has/had bottom 5 in the league potential. McVay may squeeze 7-9 wins out of them but if it really went sideways early Stafford would be an interesting trade candidate.
Beyond the history they're a few weeks too late. SF is a title frontrunner who has had QB injuries about 5 straight years, you needed to get Darnold before they let Lance go.It can never happen because of the history, but I actually think Darnold would be really good in that offense.
Also, as someone who has worked in sports media on the league side, I still can't believe they let the "ghosts" video go live on air. David Stern would have had someone killed for that.
If it’s any consolation, the Jets are now number one all time in opening week overtime wins when their starting QB tears his achilles on the opening drive.
Agreed. Let's not do this. Yeah, there were many jokes in the game thread but let's not troll here.This is one example of many of the snide comments made on this board about Rodgers tearing his ACL without completing a pass for the Jets.
So this board isn't allowed to root for injuries (I think it was a conversation around Tyreke Hill) but this board can mock injuries because it's about the Jets? People get pissed at Miami fans because they are unrepentant trolls. But then people do the exact same things towards the Jets.
Pretty lame. Way to punch up people.
Minshew or Keenum seem like your best bets, but Indy and Houston probably would want something like a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd given how desperate the Jets are.Beyond the history they're a few weeks too late. SF is a title frontrunner who has had QB injuries about 5 straight years, you needed to get Darnold before they let Lance go.
Based on where their teams are in terms of compeitiveness and other QBs, I'd guess the list of QBs actually available for trade are:
Available:
Mason Rudolph
Case Keenum
Nathan Peterman
Gardner Minshew
Brandon Allen?
If you overpay enough
Kyler
Jameis
Heinke (maybe)
He wouldn't win ya jack shit, but given the names put forth, I'd take a look at him. He's still under 30 and has thrown for 5000+ yards once not so long ago. Let him air it out to Garrett 15 times a game, fuck it. I doubt he fits the Hackett system- whatever that is- but every choice will be severely flawed either way. He'll throw as many picks as Wilson, but it'll be a far more entertaining brand of pick.Jameis on the Jets would be worth it for the entertainment value.
Sam Bradford being traded to Minnesota after Teddy Bridgewater gets hurt. Slightly different situation - the Eagles signed Bradford before they made the trade for the pick to draft Wentz. Bradford didn’t sign on to be the #2, and Philly was likely glad to get off the contract once they had Wentz.I’ve never seen a trade for a QB2 that was just signed.
Glad you made it back quickly!I guess my question is, with all the resources available to him, do you think it's possible Rogers may be able to come back some time in late December/early January?
Kyler makes sense to trade. Aren't the Cards tanking?If you overpay enough
Kyler
Jameis
Heinke (maybe)
Sure, anything is possible. But the Panthers signed Dalton for a decent backup contract to have a playable vet behind their rookie. I just don’t see what happens on the timetable the Jets need to make the Panthers scrap the plan they chose to try to support their hopeful QB of the future. If the Jets can wait things out a bit maybe guys shake loose, but if they feel the need to do something now, this seems unlikely to me, as do many of the ideas here. None of these guys is plug and play.Have you seen many teams with Super Bowl aspirations and a very talented roster lose their starter for the year in the first series? And this isn't exactly like Brady 2008 when you know you'll have a lot more shots once the guy returns either. I think everything is on the table for the Jets.
I think you have to say it because of what already went down with the kid last year, but I'd be stunned if they aren't turning over every ston this morning.Saleh was just quoted as saying Wilson's gonna be the guy for the rest of the year. Maybe it's to keep the price down on any QB acquisition but it's something, anyway.
Maybe?Kyler makes sense to trade. Aren't the Cards tanking?
Oh for sure, even if they bring someone else in we're talking a month before the guy is acclimated enough to perform adequately, I just think the Jets are likely desperate enough to overpay for guys.Sure, anything is possible. But the Panthers signed Dalton for a decent backup contract to have a playable vet behind their rookie. I just don’t see what happens on the timetable the Jets need to make the Panthers scrap the plan they chose to try to support their hopeful QB of the future. If the Jets can wait things out a bit maybe guys shake loose, but if they feel the need to do something now, this seems unlikely to me, as do many of the ideas here. None of these guys is plug and play.
It was like 20 minutes after the game ended. I don't think he was going to say we're in the market for a QB. Saleh has no choice at the moment and has to manage Wilson, hence the comment, but I'd be stunned if Douglas wasn't making phone calls already.Saleh was just quoted as saying Wilson's gonna be the guy for the rest of the year. Maybe it's to keep the price down on any QB acquisition but it's something, anyway.
On one hand, he can be almost completely immobile at that position with the other abilities that he has. On the other hand, he's really freaking old to bounce back from a traumatic injury like this.Glad you made it back quickly!
I suppose there is a very small chance they try for 3-4 months (late Dec/early Jan) depending how the season goes for the Jets. Cam Akers was the fastest NFL return I know of, and he was injured mid July and was cleared to return Dec 23rd, slightly over 5 months. Rodgers is almost 2 months behind Akers given his injury date.
There is a big difference between jogging and the movements needed to play NFL football so hard to compare timelines to that. I'm sure Rodgers will push the envelope if he can, and look for whatever Joe-Rogan esque med to shrink that timeline down as much as possible. But it would be very difficult to make it back for the playoffs this season.
If the Jets are calling about current starting QBs, the price will be high regardless of what Saleh says about Wilson.Saleh was just quoted as saying Wilson's gonna be the guy for the rest of the year. Maybe it's to keep the price down on any QB acquisition but it's something, anyway.
If I’m reading Spotrac correctly, Kyler has $97M in dead cap. Not sure what changes if he’s traded.Maybe?
Problem is I think they're smart enough to realize that it's really hard to control a tank, and while Kyler isn't perfect, having him is a lot better than missing out on Williams and not having him.
That team is pretty bad, they can bring Kyler back slowly and still have a real chance of losing enough to have the worst record.
Wentz has a pretty large sample size of success to go with his failures at the NFL level. He was an above average level full season QB as recent as 2 years ago, and which at the core is something we desperately need this year to make any realistic playoff push in a stacked AFC. Zach Wilson has none of that going for him. Zach hasn't even put together 1 single "great" game in NFL yet, and with absolutely nothing at this point but sunk cost fallacy to suggest he's capable of even making the jump from talented immature frat boy beating up teams on the college level to adequate starting quarterback you can depend on in the NFL.The difference between Carson Wentz and Zach Wilson is about 7 million dollars.
Spotrac shows it by clicking on the "x" in the last column on the contract details tab.If I’m reading Spotrac correctly, Kyler has $97M in dead cap. Not sure what changes if he’s traded.
HGH, stem cells, elk meat, dmtFunny thing is when you say Joe Rogan-esque med, I'm thinking more HGH than Ivermectin.
IANAQB, but I think that sort of transition is likely easier said than done.On one hand, he can be almost completely immobile at that position with the other abilities that he has. On the other hand, he's really freaking old to bounce back from a traumatic injury like this.
Thanks, hermano. Miss you, too. I'm in Gloucester until mid October before heading south of the border again. If you're in the area let me know.Bro. Even at YOUR geriatric age, you run circles around AR with your fitness, let alone your pitbull mentality. AR has been flirting with retirement for a bit. Who knows how interested he is in this type of recovery process.
(Love you, miss you)
This makes perfect sense. Thanks.Glad you made it back quickly!
I suppose there is a very small chance they try for 3-4 months (late Dec/early Jan) depending how the season goes for the Jets. Cam Akers was the fastest NFL return I know of, and he was injured mid July and was cleared to return Dec 23rd, slightly over 5 months. Rodgers is almost 2 months behind Akers given his injury date.
There is a big difference between jogging and the movements needed to play NFL football so hard to compare timelines to that. I'm sure Rodgers will push the envelope if he can, and look for whatever Joe-Rogan esque med to shrink that timeline down as much as possible. But it would be very difficult to make it back for the playoffs this season.
An MRI confirmed today that Aaron Rodgers officially tore his Achilles on the fourth play of his Jets’ career.
Rodgers’ season now, officially, is over. There already are questions about whether his Hall-of-Fame career is, too
Even if their plan is to go with Wilson, and even if Wilson is average, I expect him to get injured at some point. The state of OL, along with Wilson's penchant for running/taking hits, almost makes it a certainty. There were a couple times last night when Wilson got flushed out of the pocket because of bad protection, and then exposed himself to some really bad hits that I thought would knock him out of the game. It's just another indication of the lack of football smarts by Wilson...he should've known that there was no backup QB last night, and stopped trying to hero-ball it.Wentz has a pretty large sample size of success to go with his failures at the NFL level. He was an above average level full season QB as recent as 2 years ago, and which at the core is something we desperately need this year to make any realistic playoff push in a stacked AFC. Zach Wilson has none of that going for him. Zach hasn't even put together 1 single "great" game in NFL yet, and with absolutely nothing at this point but sunk cost fallacy to suggest he's capable of even making the jump from talented immature frat boy beating up teams on the college level to adequate starting quarterback you can depend on in the NFL.
The Jets are coming off the worst GM'd offseasons in my 30 years of following the team. Infinite amounts of koolaid was drunk to justify a lot of that away, and ultimately in the name of giving this once in a generation (for us) type of defense a shot carrying a team to a playoff win or 2. If we did all that just to punt the ball away when the 40yo declining QB name value gets hurt...jesus. We've gone this far with it. Even now being stuck behind the 8-ball with the literal worst OC hire in NFL history you might as well go the distance and throw up the hail mary pass with Wentz.
You need to get the ball rolling on that transition now though. As in today. Waiting a week to "first see how Zach does against one of the best defensive fronts in the NFL" is just piling on more fail imo. We already know how that story ends without seeing it. It's why we abandoned all that common sense this past off-season in the first place.
Jameis has shown flashes of improvement the last few years (when he's managed to actually avoid injury) from his gung slinging days in Tampa. I was potentially interested in taking an asset free flyer on him this past winter before we went completely off the rails chasing after Rodgers, and would be so today if the acquisition cost happened to be minimal.Jameis on the Jets would be worth it for the entertainment value.
Don't forget about deer antler spray.HGH, stem cells, elk meat, dmt
EDIT: Sorry I missed the post upthread....Aaron Rodgers’s first season with the New York Jets officially is over, practically before it even began.
Testing confirmed the quarterback suffered a torn Achilles’ tendon in his left leg during his regular season debut Monday night for the Jets, a person familiar with the situation said Tuesday.
I can't stand him or the Jets, but this really really sucks.Schefter confirms torn achilles
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1701611717607002347?s=46&t=PRtSjhkpK5WXlUAKauyTxQ
Is it only $18.5? I'm seeing a dead cap hit of $86.5M next season and $37M the season after on Sportrac.According to the web, the Rams would save $1.5 million this year trading Stafford, but would be on the dead cap hook for $18.5 million each of the next three years. Which seems less than ideal.
That play was so weird. Not just that he didn't throw the ball, but he stood there completely static, like Cowboys-era Drew Bledsoe just waiting on the rush to arrive.One of the worst things about this is that it didn’t have to happen. Some of this is on the man himself. The LT cut block and the ball is supposed to come out, why didn’t he throw it. What a disaster
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IIRC he did that a lot in his final GB years, he was always trying for the long play.That play was so weird. Not just that he didn't throw the ball, but he stood there completely static, like Cowboys-era Drew Bledsoe just waiting on the rush to arrive.
It also opens the door to a possible Ray Lewis retirement scenario if the Jets are in the mix. Whatever voodoo you can do to come back and retire at the end of the year before you can get called out on it.Thanks, hermano. Miss you, too. I'm in Gloucester until mid October before heading south of the border again. If you're in the area let me know.
This makes perfect sense. Thanks.
He did the same thing on one of the earlier snaps too and Aikman called out that the tackles cut so the ball was supposed to come out quick but he held on to it.One of the worst things about this is that it didn’t have to happen. Some of this is on the man himself. The LT cut block and the ball is supposed to come out, why didn’t he throw it. What a disaster
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Rogers is a narcissistic dummy and I have no love for the Jets but this news sucks. Him joining the team was going to make for a fascinating story to watch all season. Can't imagine what it's like to be a Jets fan :/What's tough about this as a Jets fan is that I was excited to watch a good quarterback play, and I actually personally didn't even see a single snap.
Stafford was the first guy I thought of, but those dead cap hits wouldn't get paid out over the next three years if traded. They'd all accelerate on to this years cap.According to the web, the Rams would save $1.5 million this year trading Stafford, but would be on the dead cap hook for $18.5 million each of the next three years. Which seems less than ideal.
Yeah, Becton cut on the right side and the ball didn’t come out.He did the same thing on one of the earlier snaps too and Aikman called out that the tackles cut so the ball was supposed to come out quick but he held on to it.
Generally QBs bounce on the pocket or hitch up, do something. He literally stood pat in one spot.IIRC he did that a lot in his final GB years, he was always trying for the long play.
The man is open. No idea why he didn't throw it. It's like he's been immunized to short passes.
Yeah. He could have used a jab to get moving. Almost like it was brain freeze.Generally QBs bounce on the pocket or hitch up, do something. He literally stood pat in one spot.
As always, these things are tough to figure out. When you click for more info on Spotrac for a trade post 6/1 2023 it says this so it looks like the 3x $18.5 million would hit next year.Is it only $18.5? I'm seeing a dead cap hit of $86.5M next season and $37M the season after on Sportrac.
Josh Johnson is available. Has he played for the Jets? He seems like he's played on every other team.Based on where their teams are in terms of compeitiveness and other QBs, I'd guess the list of QBs actually available for trade are:
Available:
Mason Rudolph
Case Keenum
Nathan Peterman
Gardner Minshew
Brandon Allen?
If you overpay enough
Kyler
Jameis
Heinke (maybe)