2023 MLB Draft

Jed Zeppelin

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Just a guess, but I wonder if it’s a negligible amount. Like 50k.
Yeah, slot for that pick is over $4.6 million so there is a wide range of what under slot could be. It's still going to be life-changing money and protects against any risks that come with holding off another year.
 

Hendu Candu

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Lot of good HS guys I still like who would be over slot ... Trent Caraway (#70), if we want another CA SS; Zane Adams (73), a big Texas lefty, Joey Volchko (80), an underrated CA righty with a Stanford commit, Jake Brown (93), LHP from LA with team USA experience, Drew Burress (104), GA OF with crazy power for a 5-9 kid.
 

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The slot bonus' only go through Round 10, right? Can the Sox still benefit from slot savings after Round 10?

It does not appear that they took any prep splash picks after Round 3...
 

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First 10 round results:
1. Kyle Teel C (College)
2. Nazzan Zanetello SS (HS)
3. Antonio Anderson SS (HS)
4. Matt Duffy RHP (College)
4C. Kristian Campbell SS (College)
4C. Justin Riemer SS (College)
5. Connelly Early LHP (College)
6. CJ Weins RHP (College)
7. Caden Rose OF (College)
8. Trennor O’Donnell RHP (College)
9. Blake Wehunt RHP (College)
10. Ryan Ammons LHP (College)

10 college, 2 prep.
 

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The slot bonus' only go through Round 10, right? Can the Sox still benefit from slot savings after Round 10?

It does not appear that they took any prep splash picks after Round 3...
Yes. Any money they save from the slots they can spend on rounds 10-20 without penalty. Anything over the total pool spent incurs penalties:

Up to 5% over: 75% tax on the overage

Between 5 and 10% over: 75 % tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first round pick next year

Between 10 and 15% over: 100% tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first and second round picks next year

More than 15% over: 100% tax on the overage, and loss of the first round picks in the next two drafts.
 

Scoops Bolling

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Wait a minute.

This guy was ranked 7th by MLB before the draft, gets drafted 14th and is going to sign an under slot deal? Something sounds fishy here.
Could be as simple as he's a college bat that wants to get his professional career started immediately, and that he's willing to sign for a number closer to the bottom of the range he thought he'd go (he mentioned #5 to #20, which is slotted at $3.75M).
 

Hendu Candu

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There was only one high school kid taken league-wide in rounds 9-10 (a Canadian kid to the Blue Jays). Probably a lot of overslot/tough signs coming in Round 11, now that all the underslotting has been accomplished?
 

The Gray Eagle

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Wait a minute.

This guy was ranked 7th by MLB before the draft, gets drafted 14th and is going to sign an under slot deal? Something sounds fishy here.
I'm wondering (without any evidence whatsoever) if maybe he agreed to take a little less in exchange for starting at a higher level. If he starts one level higher he could get to the majors sooner, where the real money is. Kind of betting on himself.
The Red Sox wouldn't want to make that kind of agreement with many players, especially not any high school kid, but with a very experienced college player, it might be worth it.

Just throwing the idea out there.
 

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Difference between the 14th and 15th pick is $180k and 14th to 16th is over $300k. Could be simple as leverage before they drafted him. They save $100k and he still gets more than 15th pick slot. Everyone knows the White Sox are going with someone else at 15, save $250k still get more than the 16th pick etc.
 

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I'm wondering (without any evidence whatsoever) if maybe he agreed to take a little less in exchange for starting at a higher level. If he starts one level higher he could get to the majors sooner, where the real money is. Kind of betting on himself.
The Red Sox wouldn't want to make that kind of agreement with many players, especially not any high school kid, but with a very experienced college player, it might be worth it.

Just throwing the idea out there.
It would likely boil down to the player’s preference. If I were draft eligible, I’d be ecstatic to be drafted by the Sox and take less than if Miami drafted me as an example.

I can’t see a team agreeing to start a player at a higher level because they’re willing to sign for less if they start higher. Some players don’t respond well if they’re overmatched and it derails their careers. Jeter Downs is a possible example of that.
 

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I'm wondering (without any evidence whatsoever) if maybe he agreed to take a little less in exchange for starting at a higher level. If he starts one level higher he could get to the majors sooner, where the real money is. Kind of betting on himself.
The Red Sox wouldn't want to make that kind of agreement with many players, especially not any high school kid, but with a very experienced college player, it might be worth it.

Just throwing the idea out there.
He saw Alfaro play Sunday and said "Take me, I'm yours."
 

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It would likely boil down to the player’s preference. If I were draft eligible, I’d be ecstatic to be drafted by the Sox and take less than if Miami drafted me as an example.

I can’t see a team agreeing to start a player at a higher level because they’re willing to sign for less if they start higher. Some players don’t respond well if they’re overmatched and it derails their careers. Jeter Downs is a possible example of that.
The fact that we have a bit of a void at catcher in A+ (& AA if you don't consider Hickey likely to stick at catcher) could be appealing to him, & that could be a selling point, even if he wasn't promised an exact level.
 

ehaz

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Wait a minute.

This guy was ranked 7th by MLB before the draft, gets drafted 14th and is going to sign an under slot deal? Something sounds fishy here.
Maybe he doesn't look good in jeans. Does he have a girlfriend?
 

Mantush

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The fact that we have a bit of a void at catcher in A+ (& AA if you don't consider Hickey likely to stick at catcher) could be appealing to him, & that could be a selling point, even if he wasn't promised an exact level.
I’d think the most likely route - depending on how quickly he signs - is the complex and then Salem. He may start next year at Greenville but it’d be awfully aggressive to start him there right out of the gate.

I think your point is though that there’s nobody blocking his advancement, and I’d agree with that. Hickey isn’t a catcher.
 

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I’d think the most likely route - depending on how quickly he signs - is the complex and then Salem. He may start next year at Greenville but it’d be awfully aggressive to start him there right out of the gate.

I think your point is though that there’s nobody blocking his advancement, and I’d agree with that. Hickey isn’t a catcher.
Correct.
 

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I like the Teel pick more and more. Man, it's so rare that you can both draft for need and draft the best available. I'm still worried about pitching, but I'd have to be braindead to be against this. I sure hope that he works out.
 

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I love this approach to the draft. Pick high upside guys in the first three rounds, spend most of your money on them, and then take a bunch of lottery tickets with guys who do certain things well, namely pitchers who throw strikes and hitters who make contact.
 

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JM3

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Yeah I'm just grateful that there's good reason for confidence. The guys that they're rolling dice on are hitting it pretty hard the last few years. Crossing fingers for another flier today that fits the budget.
Interestingly they only signed 1 day 3 pick last year, OF Deundre Jones from the 17th round, but signed all 11 of their picks from the 1st 10 rounds.

In '21 they signed 7 of those guys. I guess the difference is they didn't sign Judd Fabian that year, so all the players in that range may be equivalent to a back up plan.
 

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The pool limits have really altered the 11-20 round picks. Usually they’ll take a high quality player or two in case they can convince them to take a discounted deal. But that’s really keyed upon if they can save money against the pool (rounds 1-10).

The Fabian debacle screwed them out of a large chunk of the pool, but did allow them to spend more in later rounds as he was going to be over slot. So the over slot funds were freed up.