Neither here nor there, but Peter King has Hendon Hooker going at 12, over ten picks higher than Richardson. Might be the biggest outlier prediction I’ve seen, but, then again, he said he doesn’t know shit.
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The Richardson thing is more the outlier, McShay said today he's heard Hooker is going top 20.
Curious what if any impact the leaked S2 test scores will have on QB drafting. Here's what's been reported:
- Bryce Young = 98%
- Jake Haener = 96%
- Will Levis = 93%
- Jaren Hall = 93%
- Clayton Tune = 84%
- Anthony Richardson = 79%
- Hendon Hooker = 46%
- CJ Stroud = 18%
Don't forget everything you hear for the next 72hrs is the smoke teams want you to hear. This happens every year at this time. No one picking after 1 is telling the truth at this point.
When I first saw these I thought they made a mistake and switched up Levis' and Stroud's scores. I don't know what to make of S2.
Company founder says 2 of those are wrong, and all of them lack context
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/24/s2-cognition-test-cofounder-addresses-leaked-scores
I would guess the leak is someone trying to drop Stroud out of the top 3.
True, Levis gives off a bit of that overconfident meathead vibe.
I mean, it's just sad that we can't get reliable leaked info! I'll be curious to see, though, if the S2 is measuring something that reliably predicts QB performance, or at least the visual processing component of it. I have to believe that day will come.
Regarding Levis as a meathead, I'd say that not exactly accurate. Or perhaps his meatheadedness is rather intentional. Not sure if this is paywalled, but article about Levis from interviewing people at his HS. He was being recruited by Ivies before the bigger schools stepped in late. Xavier HS is a private school, but Catholic and all boys -- it's not to expensive and not too hard to get into, but it has strong athletic programs, and takes good athletes from multiple area towns, including mine.
https://www.ctinsider.com/gametimect/football/article/will-levis-kentucky-nfl-draft-17901772.php#taboola-3
https://www.ctinsider.com/gametimect/football/article/will-levis-kentucky-nfl-draft-17901772.php#taboola-3
I have no opinion on whether Levis is a meathead and for all I know he could be very intelligent. His reported S2 result surprised me not because I think he's a dumb dumb but because it is at least purported to measure visual processing speed (unlike the Wonderlic which is a cognitive/intelligence test). Besides Levis' inaccuracy on short throws, which scouts say is related to mechanical issues, footwork, etc., from what I understand, the biggest flag on him I repeatedly hear about from those who are way better at this than me is Levis' processing/play recognition. I think it may have been Waldman who said that the gap between Levis' recognition and his actions is too large to be successful in the NFL.
Richardson has similar issues with accuracy, but his supporters argue that the tape shows his processing ability is actually there and he will recognize and pull the trigger on the right throw more often than not.
I don’t have a final mock but I think they are going to try and trade down and pick up and additional second or third rounder. Then they are going to take one of Lukas Van Ness or Myles Murphy or Nolan Smith. They might just pick them at 14.
Next I believe they target a WR: Zay or Mingo is my guess here. But could be Quentin Johnston too. They might trade up for one of these guys.
I also believe they will target Tyler Steen highly - might trade up for him.
Next I think we see in the third or fourth round the follow set of guys:
Corners: Bennett - Maryland but there are like 4-5 options in my draft superlatives that could fit.
RB: Roschon Johnson, Evan Hull, or Eric Gray
OT: Morris, Saldiveri, Warren, Richards, McClendon.
IOL: Bradford
TE: Schoonmaker, Kraft, Laporta
Safeties: Jartavius Martin, Christopher Smith, Jammie Robinson, Sydney Brown, Anthony Johnson Jr., Marte Mapu, Jordan Battle.
Next I believe they target a WR: Zay or Mingo is my guess here. But could be Quentin Johnston too. They might trade up for one of these guys.
I also believe they will target Tyler Steen highly - might trade up for him.
Next I think we see in the third or fourth round the follow set of guys:
Corners: Bennett - Maryland but there are like 4-5 options in my draft superlatives that could fit.
RB: Roschon Johnson, Evan Hull, or Eric Gray
OT: Morris, Saldiveri, Warren, Richards, McClendon.
IOL: Bradford
TE: Schoonmaker, Kraft, Laporta
Safeties: Jartavius Martin, Christopher Smith, Jammie Robinson, Sydney Brown, Anthony Johnson Jr., Marte Mapu, Jordan Battle.
Thanks for clarification. Is there a chance the negative on Levis on the processing has something to do with teammate performance/ability? Like inability of teammates to get open, etc?
To be clear, I'm not a Levis fanboy. Just genuinely curious.
ONE DAY
Final Mocks
PFN:
Couple minor trade downs.... I regret the Perry pick a little, I assumed Mingo was gone when I made it, probably would have gone either Mingo there, or another position if I thought I was getting Mingo later. Still generally pretty happy with that (might have gotten 2 safties with the DB picks, but hopefully Bennett can stick at corner.
FANSPEAKS:
So great defensive talent first 3 picks, but that was because man did the passcatchers and OTs go off the board fast.
Mockdraftdatabase
Meh. Really hinges on whether JSN is a #1 guy.
ESPN ANALYTICS
Couldn't land a single WR oh well.
OVERALL:
After a bunch of weeks, my biggest takeaway is... this seems like one of the least consensus drafts in a long while, very few consensus risers and fallers. Mingo maybe (except PFF), but otherwise it's all over the place, you could have a guy top 50 one place and 175+ somewhere else, just a huge mushy middle in this draft.
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PFN:
Couple minor trade downs.... I regret the Perry pick a little, I assumed Mingo was gone when I made it, probably would have gone either Mingo there, or another position if I thought I was getting Mingo later. Still generally pretty happy with that (might have gotten 2 safties with the DB picks, but hopefully Bennett can stick at corner.
FANSPEAKS:
So great defensive talent first 3 picks, but that was because man did the passcatchers and OTs go off the board fast.
Mockdraftdatabase
Meh. Really hinges on whether JSN is a #1 guy.
ESPN ANALYTICS
Couldn't land a single WR oh well.
OVERALL:
After a bunch of weeks, my biggest takeaway is... this seems like one of the least consensus drafts in a long while, very few consensus risers and fallers. Mingo maybe (except PFF), but otherwise it's all over the place, you could have a guy top 50 one place and 175+ somewhere else, just a huge mushy middle in this draft.
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It would be too hilarious to watch Kiper's head explode on national TV, to not root for. Incredible.
Please don't link anything to Nick Adams. The only thing more worthless than his mock is his fat fucking head.
I made the mistake of clicking through.... and most of his choices are based on their known or presumed political and/or religious beliefs.... woof.
Edit- lol, just realized he picked all white guys in the top 11.
Edit- lol, just realized he picked all white guys in the top 11.
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Nick Adams is the love child of Sean Hannity and Charlie Kirk, no more attention needs to be paid to his worthless commentary.
He didn't spend 5mins researching his list, a link to a chatgpt would be far more valuable.
edit: So I actually didn't realize he was Australian but I contend he is going the conservative grift route vs. the anti-political route his fellow countryman Jim Jeffries carved out so in short still fuck Nick Adams.
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After the last two nights of gut punches I'm fully expecting NE to either trade up for Levis, stay put and draft Joey Porter Jr. (hate the name not so much the player) or trade back into the 2nd rd and draft a C from a college I've never heard of.
Break the slump Bill.
Break the slump Bill.
One final draft this morning - when Jalen Carter was available at 11, I had to move up which cost me a 3rd rounder. I then made another trade to get back into the 3rd for Schoonmaker. Although it doesn't address the needs for OT or CB, I think Carter and Campbell will be difference makers on D.
FWIW, there are a handful of folks in this thread that I wish were running our draft this week. And I'm generally an IBWT guy. Lots of good stuff here. Thanks all.
Give me all your day 2 picks! Get it done Theo! What's the highest number of top 100 picks made in a single draft?
Obviously, they would never make this many picks, but I didn't try to move around the board in the later rounds.
So checking around here are the guys who the Pats are projected with in various places mock drafts;
PFF (4 different writers):
Murphy
Skoronski
Harrison
Porter Jr.
ATHLETIC
Banks
Jones (Broderick)
RINGER
Jones (Broderick)
NFL.COM
Van Ness
Wilson
FLowers
Skoronski
YAHOO
Jones (Broderick)
CBS
Van Ness
Van Ness
Jones (Broderick)
Jones (Broderick)
Jones (Broderick)
Skoronski
ESPN
Smith
Skoronski
Very much an Edge and OL heavy grouping, 2 CB and 1 WR but 11 OL picks (4 Skoronski, 6 Jones, 1 Harrison) and 6 Edge (3 Van Ness, 1 Smith, 1 Wilson, 1 Murphy).
PFF (4 different writers):
Murphy
Skoronski
Harrison
Porter Jr.
ATHLETIC
Banks
Jones (Broderick)
RINGER
Jones (Broderick)
NFL.COM
Van Ness
Wilson
FLowers
Skoronski
YAHOO
Jones (Broderick)
CBS
Van Ness
Van Ness
Jones (Broderick)
Jones (Broderick)
Jones (Broderick)
Skoronski
ESPN
Smith
Skoronski
Very much an Edge and OL heavy grouping, 2 CB and 1 WR but 11 OL picks (4 Skoronski, 6 Jones, 1 Harrison) and 6 Edge (3 Van Ness, 1 Smith, 1 Wilson, 1 Murphy).
I generally don't love the mocks (especially the user generated) because the models don't seem flexible/random enough, but they can give you a rough idea of who might be available ~15 picks away, which is obviously where the Patriots are right now. PFN updated with the first round in the bank, so it's looking like the Patriots might see a decent edge (Ojulari, Adeboware, Foskey, White) or tight end (Mayer, Washington) fall, besides the usual assortment of (pre-draft consensus) second tier WR etc. Plus plenty of highly rated interior linemen seem like they will be available if Belichick wants to troll the fanbase.
PFF also updated their simulator with the 1st round in the bank. Instead of the usual trade up in the 2nd round, I used two 4ths to trade from 76 back into the 2nd and grabbed a falling premium edge rusher in Foskey who I know many people seem to love. Came out as a slight overpay in the Hill trade chart (96 points vs 103 points). I love LaPorta more than the WRs available at #46, I think he can be Aaron Hernandez without the murder. Steen, Morris, Freeland, and Duncan all went off the board in the 3rd, so I took Nick Saldiveri at OT as the last of the last of this group of late Day 2/early Day 3 guys.
I don't know much about Jaquelin Roy but he seemed like a good value pick based on the @SMU_Sox board at a sneaky position of need. Carl Davis and Lawrence Guy are each on the wrong side of 30, Barmore has injury concerns, and I think Godcheaux is only under contract for another year. Then grabbed some depth at IOL, RB, WR in the 6th. No way Stromberg falls that far, right?
Did another with a typical Pats 2nd round trade-up to grab Brian Branch. I don't think Bill would go secondary on back to back picks, but he seems too good to pass up. Still get Mac weapons with Schoonmaker and Mims in the 3rd, a falling edge in the 4th, and some line depth on Day 3.
I don't know much about Jaquelin Roy but he seemed like a good value pick based on the @SMU_Sox board at a sneaky position of need. Carl Davis and Lawrence Guy are each on the wrong side of 30, Barmore has injury concerns, and I think Godcheaux is only under contract for another year. Then grabbed some depth at IOL, RB, WR in the 6th. No way Stromberg falls that far, right?
Did another with a typical Pats 2nd round trade-up to grab Brian Branch. I don't think Bill would go secondary on back to back picks, but he seems too good to pass up. Still get Mac weapons with Schoonmaker and Mims in the 3rd, a falling edge in the 4th, and some line depth on Day 3.
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Took a shot at it as we gear up for round 2.
Was looking to trade up for Downs and got lucky when he fell to me at 46. Not completely sold on Bergeron, but glad to get a tackle at 76 and happy with the double dip with Morris. Schoonmaker, edge help late, and two new specialists. While I ended up making more picks than the roster will likely absorb (we’re not bringing in 14 drafted guys!), would be pretty happy with this group.
Was looking to trade up for Downs and got lucky when he fell to me at 46. Not completely sold on Bergeron, but glad to get a tackle at 76 and happy with the double dip with Morris. Schoonmaker, edge help late, and two new specialists. While I ended up making more picks than the roster will likely absorb (we’re not bringing in 14 drafted guys!), would be pretty happy with this group.
- 7.
Jayden Daniels
QB LSU - 41.
Troy Franklin
WR Oregon - 50.
Tyler Guyton
OT Oklahoma - 68.
Bralen Trice
EDGE Washington - 99.
Mekhi Wingo
DT LSU - 2025 GB 2nd
- 2025 ATL 2nd
- 2025 PHI 3rd
