2023 Ryder Cup - When in Rome...
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This is where I am at as well. Speith/Thomas were 2 up with 5 to play and I’m not sure Speith finished a hole from there on in. Just unbelievably brutal golf from him down the stretch.
I think they are going for the throat tomorrow morning and if they get an even bigger lead they will sit some of the big guns in the afternoon.
I agree with you with the home advantage. I was saying to somebody at work that this is turning into an event where whoever is home is going to roll. I think you have two sides who care equally as much about the Ryder Cup whereas the last generation that was not the case. The guys at home get all jacked up with emotion and come out flying with adrenaline causing them to play well while the road team plays tight and almost not to lose.
Some congestion and some signs of things that are unfortunate?!?? My god what a loser that guy is.
12 PGA Tour wins, 83 top-10 finishes, 2 major championships, nearly $50 million in career prize money, annually hosts approximately 50 college golfers at his house for a College Golf Fellowship retreat, received the 2020 Payne Stewart Award in honor of his character, sportsmanship and dedication to charitable giving, happily married with 3 kids, has a foundation that has helped raise $700,000 for community agencies in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, serving children in need.
Yeah what a total loser.
I don't really understand how golf courses can be so advantageous for players from one continent or the other. Guys like Rahm and Rory play most of the year on the PGA Tour in the US. They're used to how courses are here. And like how different is this course from what these guys would normally play? Why would Hovland or Hatton have an advantage on a course in Italy over an American? European players who play in the Italian Open play this course once a year. It's not like they're there all the time.
I don't know...maybe it really is a big deal and maybe your really can set up a golf course to favor a certain group of players over another.
It’s less the location of the physical course and more the pins, tees, width of fairway, length of rough, etc. You can definitely tailor that to your team’s best players and/or the US’s worst.
That only works if your team's best players all have a similar playing style (favorite shot shape, game strengths, etc.) and/or the US's worst players all have similar weaknesses, AND that your team's best players' strengths are opposite of the US's players weaknesses, right? That way you can make a course to favor Europe and not the US.
I just think it's less about the course itself and more about the environment and the pressure these guys feel. We may like to think golf isn't an emotional game, but man oh man the Ryder Cup shows that it IS.
It's the data and analytics. The Euro's have all the strokes gainined and proximitey data and know exactly what the Americans strength and weaknesses are, as well as their own. They then take that to set up the course to favor them. So, for instance, the Euro's know the Americans are better than them from 100-120 yards, but the Euro's are better from 180-200 yards. So they set up the course so there are almost no shots from 100-120 and most of the approaches are from 180+.
When we go back to Bethpage, the Americans will set it up to their strengths and probably win 20-8.
Ok that makes some more sense to me. Though it was probably the same thing that @kenneycb was saying, just in a little different way.
That being said, there was no analytic that said that Rahm was gonna chip in, or that Rahm and Hovland were going to bury long eagle putts on 18 to steal holes and matches away from the US.
I wasn't talking about the course itself. I was more talking about the fan element and how the home team's level of play goes up because of the unique situation. Team golf is a different element and these crowds are much more rowdy than a regular tour stop. It is really like any other team sporting event.
But yes, the courses can be tailored to the home team's strengths.
Of course it can't predict hole outs and long putts. It's just taking the data to set up the course to try and maximize your advantage. If we set it up this way, odds are we're going to hit it closer than them, which means we'll make more birdies than them, which means we'll win more holes. Then, after 28 matches and a max of 504 holes, we'll have won more than them.
This isn't to say it's unfair, it's smart and the Americans do the exact same thing in the US. To me though, it hurts the product as we are now likely headed for the 5th straight Ryder Cup blowout for the home team. The last Ryder Cup that was decided by fewer than 5 ponits (which is a huge margin when there's only 28 available) was 2013 at Medinah. And that took a huge comeback.
ZJ sucks and I can't stand him as a player or captain, but at the same time I'm not sure what he could've done differently that dramatically changes the outcome today. Maybe some moves around the edges scrathes out another half somewhere but today was on the players. I mean one of their supposed best players, Cantlay, hit a 20-handicap level shot dumping a wedge from like 120 yards in the middle of the fairway into the water a solid 30 yards short of the green to lose a hole when Europe was laying 3 in the rough 100 yards away.
I totally agree. He could take some flak for picking Burns and Fowler over others, but that would be total second guessing on my part, as I was on board with the picks when they were announced. I was simply referring to him coming out immediately after taking that drubbing and making up some super vague excuse that guys may possibly have had congestion or some other signs of things that are unfortunate. Maybe there was more context to that in the interview, but that’s what I read on Twitter. Complete loser thing to say…12 tour wins notwithstanding.
Yeah, He is terrible with the media and appears to be bad at the leadership aspect of this, I just don’t fault the decision making yet.
Thankfully we’ll probably get Tiger for Bethpage if he can walk. Going forward, they, should probably overhaul the captains for the road games. It’s the same guys who keep getting their asses kicked. ZH, Furyk, Stricker, Couples. Let’s try a new group.
Thankfully we’ll probably get Tiger for Bethpage if he can walk. Going forward, they, should probably overhaul the captains for the road games. It’s the same guys who keep getting their asses kicked. ZH, Furyk, Stricker, Couples. Let’s try a new group.
Saying he really could’ve done a much better job with his comments is light years away from calling him a total loser.
To be fair, it’s difficult to discuss psychobabble without babbling.
At least Spieth/JT aren’t going to lose in 10 holes.
At least Spieth/JT aren’t going to lose in 10 holes.
Koepka/Scheffler may not have broken 90 if they had to play all 18.
Edit: Lol they were a generous +7 through 11 when they conceded.
Edit: Lol they were a generous +7 through 11 when they conceded.
If this was an NFL game they would have switched to a more competitive game. A Roman slaughter thus far.
There was some signs of life on the back 9 in the morning but JT with a killer tee shot on 17 and Xander puked all over the place on the greens on 16 and 17. They need 3.5 - 0.5 this session and lord knows that’s not happening.
Showing signs of life. If they can go 3-1 or better, there’s still an outside chance but that’s the only way.
“Understand from several sources that the US team room is fractured, a split led predominantly by Patrick Cantlay. Cantlay believes players should be paid to participate in the Ryder Cup, and is demonstrating his frustration at not being paid by refusing to wear a team cap.”
https://twitter.com/jamiecweir/status/17080406
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“He wore a cap at last year's Presidents Cup, for which players ARE paid.
Cantlay also refused to attend the gala dinner earlier in the week and, along with close friend Xander Schauffele, is sitting is a separate area of the team dressing room.”
Players aren’t paid for the PC but wow.
https://twitter.com/jamiecweir/status/17080406
17190670588?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
“He wore a cap at last year's Presidents Cup, for which players ARE paid.
Cantlay also refused to attend the gala dinner earlier in the week and, along with close friend Xander Schauffele, is sitting is a separate area of the team dressing room.”
Players aren’t paid for the PC but wow.
That article from earlier in the year really had him pegged. Guy wears a Goldman hat and believes he works there.
Will be rooting for him to hold the moniker of this generations best player not to win a major.
I recall him not wearing a hat in 2021 either. I'd rather he just make a putt and then he can do whatever silent protest he wants.
I get that these guys are pros. Totally get that. But yeah this is the one event where these guys should be dying to play for no pay at all. Their expenses are all covered so it’s not like it’s costing them money, and I’m sure they get tons of goodies while there. But still. Play. For. Pride.
If you aren’t happy doing that, stay home. There’s hundreds of other guys that would happily take your place, Patrick.
Meanwhile… this is total carnage.
Yea I don't get it. I don't get why you would even attend the Ryder Cup if you think you should be paid?
I'm all for folks scooping up as much money as they can, but this is an insanely stupid position to hold as a professional golfer.
I don’t even begrudge him wanting to be paid. I’m sure playing sports as a job does things to you psychologically that can create some real resentment and negative feelings about just playing for no pay. But if that’s a problem, then don’t play the events where you know you aren’t getting paid. Because you aren’t giving up any money either way, so just skip it and save everyone the trouble.
Right, exactly. Just decline and move on. I 100% understand some of these guys wanting to be paid but actually accepting the invite and then showing up and being a total jackass about it is special levels of stupid.
It’s also selfish. This event benefits both of the tours that they and their peers play on so benefits the whole. It’s not like it’s some money grab for some for profit promotion.
Nuke that fucking guy into the sun. Slow play and now this. Cantlay is quickly reaching Patrick Reed levels of hate.
Also can we resurrect Seve or something so we don’t have to hear about him every fucking 2 years.