That's seemingly the weakness of Tatum and Jaylen on those late/clutch situations. Both seem to have scars from younger seasons when they weren't as bulked up as now and couldn't finish with contact. Even if JT didn't finish on a move inside, at least there is more contact/less chance of a foul call being overturned.The team did everything right on the final shot--they didn't want to take a timeout because they wanted to get the switch of Tatum with Garland on him, which wouldn't happen if Joe took a timeout. They got the switch they wanted, and Tatum wasn't aggressive enough, instead settling for a contested 18 foot fallaway. That's not on Joe or anyone else but Tatum.
The 2 minute report is going to be interesting.I should be more angry at the Celtics for losing that big lead (with their bench on the floor). But I’m way angrier at Zarba for fucking them four times there, between:
1) the phantom foul on Garland,
2) the decision to jump it instead of give the C’s the ball,
3) only leaving 0.7 seconds on the clock when he was “fouled” with 1.6 seconds left and
4) winding the clock after the tip instead of during possession.
He called a timeout with 4:18 left up 3. After the timeout the Cavs went on a 9-2 run.JM --"If theyre gonna play like that, I'm not bailing them out."*
Benefit of an 8game lead.
*Not an actual quote.
I was just about to post this exact same thing. There seemed to be a few possessions in the 4th where this occurred and he was clearly very frustrated about the officiating (rightly so).I do wonder if Tatum gets psyched out about refs and doesn't want to drive because he doesn't believe he'll get the call
Confession in that I didn't watch the entire game, but Hauser only played 14 minutes (average for the season 21 minutes) and had a team-best +14. Seems like from the box score he just rode the starters + Horford, with Kornet the only bench guy on pace with their average minutes. But maybe I missed that the limited minutes for the bench were in a "line change" situation.I think Joe was probably experimenting with lineups, it should have been garbage time up 22 points but Cleveland suddenly couldn't miss (in part to the lineups we put out there).
What examples do you actually have of this narrative? This is a Simmons (what a disgrace he has become), podcast complaint with absolutely no value attached to it.I know you are being sarcastic but not sure how you can have confidence in Joe in a close and late playoff game against some of his peers. He has not proven to be good at it thus far. Unless you think they are just going to blow everyone out, which generally doesn’t happen in the playoffs.
Maybe he will figure it out but it is a legit concern of mine. Or maybe the team is just so good where it won’t matter.
Their last two losses were to undermanned teams where the subs outplayed them. You just can't stop Dean Wade when he is on a roll.So many shots went in & out, rolled out in a very unusual way, including in the 4th
Really think even with the meh play this was a complete fluke. But OK, all the old narratives are back tonight.
Very reassuring if true (and fuck Zarba)Joe just answered the “no timeout?” Question by saying he called one with more than 4 seconds left but the referees didn’t see it.
Wasn’t aggressive enough? Garland body checked him twice off the dribble not sure what else you’d want Tatum to do to try and get by him.The team did everything right on the final shot--they didn't want to take a timeout because they wanted to get the switch of Tatum with Garland on him, which wouldn't happen if Joe took a timeout. They got the switch they wanted, and Tatum wasn't aggressive enough, instead settling for a contested 18 foot fallaway. That's not on Joe or anyone else but Tatum.
I wasn't happy with the lax D on Wade either but the reality is the next month is about getting ready for the playoffs, not wins first, and let-up is inevitable. ANd usually he doesn't hit literally every shot there still.Their last two losses were to undermanned teams where the subs outplayed them. You just can't stop Dean Wade when he is on a roll.
Well to be fair he didn’t get either of the first two fouls against Garland then got a whistle when there wasn’t a foul. Crazy officiating sequence at the end.I am a huge Tatum guy, but I think that was him and not Joe---he just decided to dribble it out and take the fallaway (as he often does).
I think the play Joe called was to get Tatum matched up wtih Garland, which is likely why he also didn't want a timeout. But Tatum has to do more with it than that.
I do wonder if Tatum gets psyched out about refs and doesn't want to drive because he doesn't believe he'll get the call
I'm not really worried about losses like this. Can't win them all. Nothing really matters until the playoffs start (except health)I wasn't happy with the lax D on Wade either but the reality is the next month is about getting ready for the playoffs, not wins first, and let-up is inevitable. ANd usually he doesn't hit literally every shot there still.
Clock starts on the tip, not on possession, the shot clock starts on possession, but that's not relevant here. Logically the clock shouldn't go to 2.1 since without the foul at worst there's a rebound attempt at around .7 since that's when the ball hit the rim, but I'm not sure what exactly the rule book says about setting the clock after an overturned foul so they may have missed one there.The clock should have stopped with 2.1 when Tatum released the ball, not at .7 after it already hit the rim. Either way, the jump ball shouldn't take place with .7, and the clock doesn't start until its touched by someone after the tip. The whole sequence was fucked from a clock standpoint.
Logic would dictate that when they looked at the replay they saw that without the challenge the clock goes to 0 before Zinger touches the ball so therefore no "possession", but I'm not sure if that's actually addressed in the rule book or they just flipped a coin since those don't always seem to be very consistent.Why was it a jump if the Celtics got the ball btw?
The refs basically let all contact with the body/arms on the ground go... the only fouls they really seemed to call were fouls where arms were outstretched and there was clear contact. Even then KP was clearly fouled late even though he still made the shot. Tatum had to basically fight through his man to get down the lane since the Cavs were allowed to more or less use two hands to control him. He did get to the rim, but often out of control because of the amount of body contact.I was just about to post this exact same thing. There seemed to be a few possessions in the 4th where this occurred and he was clearly very frustrated about the officiating (rightly so).
I think when the games matter more he will just say fuck this and these refs and just go to the rim
In fairness, I live there, and I question this daily aside from the Taylor ham. For those curious, it's an isolated NBA office near a basically abandoned hotel that you would never guess has the power it does from how unassuming it is.Secaucus has no idea what it’s doing.
Yeah, I knowOddly enough this same game in Cleveland last year was Grant choking the two free throws. Almost had Tatum with two to win.
Looking forward to their A+ game Thursday.
Was this tweet really so good we need to see it in two threads?
Mazz fell on his sword after the game, implying it was his decision to hold for the final shot, but I thought he was waving Tatum to go faster on that last possession.
He’s Ralph or Potsy or whichever stiff on the Happy Days basketball team it was that hit that lucky shot to win the game…only to humiliatingly return to his stiffy ways in the next game.Up 22 with 9 minutes left
Just horrible
Who the F is Wade?
My question is.. who was supposed to be guarding him?Up 22 with 9 minutes left
Just horrible
Who the F is Wade?
NostradamusPossible let-down game with no Mitchell or Strus.
This - can’t wait.I kind of like this team being a little edgy for Denver.
Logic would actually dictate that since Porzingis tipped the ball and it was already in the basket at 0.7 that it was not at zero when he touched it. There is no argument I can see from the facts that the Celtics did not have possession there, nor any rule that would lead to that outcome. As a number of us broke down after the Jaylen play in the Indiana game, there's only two outcomes the rulebook supports: 1) a jump ball when no one has possession or 2) a team has clear possession.Logic would dictate that when they looked at the replay they saw that without the challenge the clock goes to 0 before Zinger touches the ball so therefore no "possession", but I'm not sure if that's actually addressed in the rule book or they just flipped a coin since those don't always seem to be very consistent.
"What happened in this one meaningless game gives me content that will marinate for days."
Little bit of both, combined with Cleveland’s scrubs going supernova from deep.So I missed last night's game. I noted that at one point they were 15-30 from 3, before missing their last 8.
More of a make/miss situation, or bad process? Or a little of both?