I missed a lot of last night’s game. Did Verdugo do something in last night’s game or is this off the field stuff?
Usually he’d be doing a Wendell Kim no? I still think he’s pointing back to 2nd?View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1687963072130887681
This is the replay. The NESN guys seem to think that was Febles. Kind of tough to tell from the hand gestures.
There's a bit of a silver lining in this for Cora as the Verdugo stuff is overshadowing the rest of today's shit show.Damn Cora is livid w/ the Verdugo stuff
If the raised finger was twirling like an ump might do to signal a home run there is no need to windmill the runner in.Usually he’d be doing a Wendell Kim no? I still think he’s pointing back to 2nd?
Bloom sitting on his hands and not trading away valuable pieces from a team that was clearly not a legit contender is even more infuriating IMO.4. Bloom sitting on his hands when marginal upgrades might have won 2 of the 3 games we've lost since the deadline is also absolutely infuriating.
No No No Vs. Go Go Go redux?Not being able to tell what Feebles is doing is a bad sign for a third base coach. Either wave your arms or put up a stop sign and tell him to be halfway. Clown show all around.
You're misrepresenting what actually happened at the deadline. The Orioles got Jack Flaherty for two guys that neither the Red Sox nor the Orioles would protect in the offseason -- they're barely prospects. Lorenzen went to Philadelphia for the equivalent of a Bonaci/Paulino type. Devin Mann, who's awfully similar to Ryan Fitzgerald, was the centerpiece in the deal that got Ryan Yarbrough. If what you were representing was true, I completely agree, but it simply isn't the case.Bloom sitting on his hands and not trading away valuable pieces from a team that was clearly not a legit contender is even more infuriating IMO.
Kind of like Zimmer saying no no no, while Denny Doyle thought Zimmer said go go go. You got to love this game. Hopefully this is the game the Red Sox wake up. Hey Reggie Jackson and Billy Martin got into it at Fenway Park and then they went on to win the World Series that year. It is very frustrating though with this Red Sox team. Their record should be better, but defense and bad running skills on the basepaths has killed them.He was doing this little twirly thing that looked to signal “come on, keep going” to me. It’d be a weird signal if it was meant to be “turn around.” Then once McGuire passes 3B, the ball lands in Keirmeir’s glove, and he points to second and yells for him to go back. Then kinda gives up on defeat.
There’s no chance Febles knew that ball was staying in play.
So you think Paxton was on this level of value? Kind of disagree but fair enough take.You're misrepresenting what actually happened at the deadline. The Orioles got Jack Flaherty for two guys that neither the Red Sox nor the Orioles would protect in the offseason -- they're barely prospects. Lorenzen went to Philadelphia for the equivalent of a Bonaci/Paulino type. Devin Mann, who's awfully similar to Ryan Fitzgerald, was the centerpiece in the deal that got Ryan Yarbrough. If what you were representing was true, I completely agree, but it simply isn't the case.
Paxton had significantly more value than those players -- but the Red Sox best position [and easiest] with Paxton was to hold and offer a qualifying offer. If he accepts, we get him back on a reasonable low-risk commitment; if he declines, which is probably unlikely, we'll get draft pick compensation that is probably better than anything we'd have gotten in return for a rental.So you think Paxton was on this level of value? Kind of disagree but fair enough take.
Yeah doesn’t look anything like a wave in to me. He’s gesturing to go back imo.Rare bad take from redsoxstats. Runners responsibility to see whether the ball is caught or not and then act accordingly. Also his job to know the numbers outs. Not impossible that McGuire thought there were 2 outs, but only he knows if that was the case.
Can't wait for Oliver Marmol to come in and lead us to a 60 win season.View: https://twitter.com/Joe_Weil/status/1687969151959085056
He's so outta here and he knows it. I'm a Cora backer but the axe is gonna fall on him when this team finishes in last again.
Went through it frame by frame. McGuire thought it was out. He puts his right arm in the air as to celebrate. Febles is waving “No, go back”. It’s on Reese. He misjudged the ball 100%.View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1687963072130887681
This is the replay. The NESN guys seem to think that was Febles. Kind of tough to tell from the hand gestures.
He's pissed at Verdugo for sure, but the ensuing shit show surely added to his demeanor.Did Verdugo get a DUI on the way to the park or something? Cora madz.
I know this has become almost a punch line to say at this point, but they really are getting guys back in the next week. Story, Sale, Houck could give the team a huge lift.Whether one agrees or not with the non moves by Bloom to help this years team, it really seems as if they have resulted in a very down and non engaged clubhouse. Hard to tell if the wheels will totally fall off based on this but today makes me think that may be what occurs. The whole Verdugo thing, complete lack of focus, and managerial moves as well as the Cora media availability just give me that feeling.
There probably is a better reference to makeCora needs to go “Domingo German” in the clubhouse and start tipping over a sofa or two, maybe smash a tv screen.
problem is, I think it’s unrealistic to assume guys will be highly productive immediately upon their returnI know this has become almost a punch line to say at this point, but they really are getting guys back in the next week. Story, Sale, Houck could give the team a huge lift.
But there likely is some distance between "highly productive" and better than the guys they're replacing.problem is, I think it’s unrealistic to assume guys will be highly productive immediately upon their return
fair pointBut there likely is some distance between "highly productive" and better than the guys they're replacing.
Might be to late by then. They really have to win tomorrow.I know this has become almost a punch line to say at this point, but they really are getting guys back in the next week. Story, Sale, Houck could give the team a huge lift.
It's the same thing as last year; the team is on the edge of contention, Bloom doesn't sell but also doesn't do shit to markedly improve the team at the deadline, then they go on a downward spiral. And if you want to look back to '21, the team was in contention for the best record in baseball at the deadline, and all Bloom did to help that team out was to pick up an injured outfielder hoping he could learn to play first base at the major league level. That team went from a double-digit lead for a wild card spot to damn near missing the playoffs entirely.Whether one agrees or not with the non moves by Bloom to help this years team, it really seems as if they have resulted in a very down and non engaged clubhouse. Hard to tell if the wheels will totally fall off based on this but today makes me think that may be what occurs. The whole Verdugo thing, complete lack of focus, and managerial moves as well as the Cora media availability just give me that feeling.
Wouldn't you call that a team with an overly weak and fragile mental state? You're obfuscating away the responsibility of the manager to continue to do his job and not sulk away the post deadline week or two.It's the same thing as last year; the team is on the edge of contention, Bloom doesn't sell but also doesn't do shit to markedly improve the team at the deadline, then they go on a downward spiral. And if you want to look back to '21, the team was in contention for the best record in baseball at the deadline, and all Bloom did to help that team out was to pick up an injured outfielder hoping he could learn to play first base at the major league level. That team went from a double-digit lead for a wild card spot to damn near missing the playoffs entirely.
I was thinking this too. If players are so mentally fragile that not getting a marginal rotation upgrade or middle infielder at the deadline causes them to disengage in the middle of the playoff race, then fuck them. They weren’t winning shit anyway with that type of weak unprofessional mental state.Wouldn't you call that a team with an overly weak and fragile mental state? You're obfuscating away the responsibility of the manager to continue to do his job and not sulk away the post deadline week or two.
And who assembled that roster?Wouldn't you call that a team with an overly weak and fragile mental state? You're obfuscating away the responsibility of the manager to continue to do his job and not sulk away the post deadline week or two.
They can trade him in the offseasonNot moving Verdugo at the deadline looks absolutely braindead with the benefit of like 4 days worth of hindsight? Not helping the team at all now and will be 100% gone when that contract ends after next year.
Seems like he doesn’t agree with Cora here.Verdugo says a lot of things in here; whether they add up to anything, I'm not sure
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/08/alex-verdugo-benched-red-soxs-alex-cora-calls-it-managers-decision.html