They're not going to ask. Patriots have already come out and said they won't have a statement.If Bill and Bob ask, think DJT will pardon him?
What's the tragedy?Just heard on ESPN radio, the team is still planning on going ahead with plans to meet President Trump today. What a circus that will be. It was already going to be a strange experience but now it is a tragedy.
And Jose Baez actually tweeted a link to that story last night...Last night, perhaps as he was preparing to kill himself, I was reading this terrific piece about AH by Ian O'Connor. The title is ironic:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19180241/the-trial-aaron-hernandez-just-getting-started-nfl-jose-baez-2017
Though written through a legal lens, it asks the obvious and troubling questions. What if his dad had not died when he did? What if AH had been drafted by a team far removed from Bristol?
One always should remember the murder victim, Odin Lloyd, and the alleged victims in the recent case. And this is not at all to excuse his behavior -- many others overcome even more troubled childhoods. But for one day, I find myself thinking about the sad what-ifs.
Assuming health (which is assuming a lot, granted), AH probably was going to the Hall of Fame. Even we probably did not fully appreciate the scope of his amazing talent.
The human tragedy overwhelms everything else, but from the narrow on field standpoint, AH may represent the biggest waste of talent since Len Bias (which is not, of course, to put the two in anywhere near the same category beyond that narrow perspective).
I *think* he was kidding with that question.They're not going to ask. Patriots have already come out and said they won't have a statement.
It was reported before that it was pro bono, but if they did that was money well spent. Did him a lot of good.Ron Borges says on Herald Radio that he heard the Pouncey brothers paid for his legal bills for the double murder trial. Crazy.
This was asked this morning on Kirk & Callahan, and Gerry's response was, "He didn't play for THAT long"Any thoughts on whether CTE could have had something to do with this? He must have suffered from concussions before, right?
If they find CTE in the brain of a guy who played in the NFL only 3 years, it could be a game changer.Any thoughts on whether CTE could have had something to do with this? He must have suffered from concussions before, right?
I'm sure as more research is published, CTE will be better understood, but I think Hernandez was a psychopathic murderer, nothing more. The amount of violence befallen on those around him is staggering.Any thoughts on whether CTE could have had something to do with this? He must have suffered from concussions before, right?
Or maybe he got bored with prison life in the same way he apparently got bored with being an NFL superstar and decided to murder people. Who the hell knows. One thing I am learning in my middle age is that trying to apply rationality to sociopaths is an exercise in futility.This is where I am at too. I was shocked when I heard the news this morning. From everything you read about the guy, getting life in prison was almost a badge of honor for him. He's a lifelong gangsta/thug who just happened to be really good at football.
Chris Henry says hello. Finding CTE in a guy who "only" played 3 years would not be breaking new ground.If they find CTE in the brain of a guy who played in the NFL only 3 years, it could be a game changer.
That said, I think he was just a damaged individual.
Dude never made a Pro Bowl in three seasons and he was probably going to the hall of fame?Last night, perhaps as he was preparing to kill himself, I was reading this terrific piece about AH by Ian O'Connor. The title is ironic:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19180241/the-trial-aaron-hernandez-just-getting-started-nfl-jose-baez-2017
Though written through a legal lens, it asks the obvious and troubling questions. What if his dad had not died when he did? What if AH had been drafted by a team far removed from Bristol?
One always should remember the murder victim, Odin Lloyd, and the alleged victims in the recent case. And this is not at all to excuse his behavior -- many others overcome even more troubled childhoods. But for one day, I find myself thinking about the sad what-ifs.
Assuming health (which is assuming a lot, granted), AH probably was going to the Hall of Fame. Even we probably did not fully appreciate the scope of his amazing talent.
The human tragedy overwhelms everything else, but from the narrow on field standpoint, AH may represent the biggest waste of talent since Len Bias (which is not, of course, to put the two in anywhere near the same category beyond that narrow perspective).
My understanding is that the contract had a clause that was something along the lines of it being void if he had any knowledge of legal issues that would cause him to be unable to play for periods of the contract - I don't know why the gun charge from the 2012 case (that carries a 4-5 year sentence?) wouldn't satisfy that clause. I don't think there was anything specific to murder.The 2012 murders happened before he signed his contract extension, that's why they would've had the chance to get back the guaranteed money that accelerated onto their cap when they released him. The 2013 murder happened after the contract was signed.
"Probably" is too strong.Dude never made a Pro Bowl in three seasons and he was probably going to the hall of fame?
IANAD, but I suppose it's possible. He had at least one official concussion during the 2011 playoffs.Any thoughts on whether CTE could have had something to do with this? He must have suffered from concussions before, right?
He had one year with 910 yards and two with less than 600. Was only 23 in his last season so there was lots of time for improvement but he was going to have to pick up the pace considerably. I would have said no at the time."Probably" is too strong.
He had the talent to make it. Would have been interesting to see where it took him. But he chose another path.
The Pro Bowl is the be and end all? Consider his competition.Dude never made a Pro Bowl in three seasons and he was probably going to the hall of fame?
I laughed. Nothing's mean if it's funny enough.So now do we get cap relief???
Yeah that is fucking creepy. I'm going to think twice before getting in an argument with AR ever again.I do believe today is your lucky day average reds
He only played three years in the pros, but he played high school and left college after his junior year. He could have been concussed numerous times throughout his life. That said, it sounds like he was always a gangbanger.If they find CTE in the brain of a guy who played in the NFL only 3 years, it could be a game changer.
That said, I think he was just a damaged individual.
But...he was found guilty of killing Lloyd.Dean of Mass School of law, Michael Coyne, is on 98.5 now saying that the Hernandez Estate may be able to go after the Pats bonuses and his NFL Pension since he's technically not guilty and didn't violate the contract.
He's not sure if it'll work but the argument can be made.
Probable HOF seems a bit strong. The advanced metrics you talked about in the RB thread always looked at Hernandez as a bit overrated, he was never a real two way TE, and he was going to be in the shadow of Gronk.The Pro Bowl is the be and end all? Consider his competition.
Beyond that, over 38 games in three seasons, I believe he had 178 receptions for almost 2000 yards and 18 TDs.
The key here, as noted above, is that he was 23 years old when he played his last football. He did not play 4 seasons before his death, and if he were playing today, he would be entering his prime at age 28 this November.
I think the issue is that the Lloyd conviction was under appeal and the conviction for the Lloyd murder is vacated with Hernandez' death.But...he was found guilty of killing Lloyd.
It was in the appeals process so, I think, technically, he is some sort of limbo. Not technically still guilty?But...he was found guilty of killing Lloyd.
I think you're still guilty through the appeals process if you were found guilty in your original case. Though I'm no legal expert, so I could be totally wrong.It was in the appeals process so, I think, technically, he is some sort of limbo. Not technically still guilty?
By law, that conviction (as well as the firearm conviction in the double homicide) will be abated and the indictments all dismissed.But...he was found guilty of killing Lloyd.
Wow.By law, that conviction (as well as the firearm conviction in the double homicide) will be abated and the indictments all dismissed.
Why? they pay their analysts and this is a story, I listened all morning getting ready for work.Boomer and Carton blasting ESPN for dragging analysts out of bed so they can go with wall to wall coverage of AH on all platforms.
I do not know about the pension, that gets into some other issues I'm not at all knowledgeable about.Dean of Mass School of law, Michael Coyne, is on 98.5 now saying that the Hernandez Estate may be able to go after the Pats bonuses and his NFL Pension since he's technically not guilty and didn't violate the contract.
He's not sure if it'll work but the argument can be made.
This hit me like a ton of bricks last night from the O'Connor piece. I know it's narrow and self serving in a fanboy sort of way, but it also points to the sadness of this waste:Probable HOF seems a bit strong. The advanced metrics you talked about in the RB thread always looked at Hernandez as a bit overrated, he was never a real two way TE, and he was going to be in the shadow of Gronk.
He was certainly a unique player though. The whole thing is senseless and tragic.
Dean of Mass School of law, Michael Coyne, is on 98.5 now saying that the Hernandez Estate may be able to go after the Pats bonuses and his NFL Pension since he's technically not guilty and didn't violate the contract.
He's not sure if it'll work but the argument can be made.
Maybe sheds some light on the timing if Hernandez thought this was true
I'm not a lawyer, but this strikes me as an academic legal theorist getting his name in the papers. Will never happen.Dean of Mass School of law, Michael Coyne, is on 98.5 now saying that the Hernandez Estate may be able to go after the Pats bonuses and his NFL Pension since he's technically not guilty and didn't violate the contract.
He's not sure if it'll work but the argument can be made.
Got a link for that?By law, that conviction (as well as the firearm conviction in the double homicide) will be abated and the indictments all dismissed.
Others may refine my wording on this, but conceptually I think it is well-settled law that if someone dies while they are still on direct appeal the convications are vacated. The legal theory is that you have a constitutional right to participate in your own defense (which includes the appeal), and if you die you are unable to do so. Given the choice between a 'conviction' where someone is not able to fully support their own defense and vacating the conviction, our system has chosen the latter.Got a link for that?
Hernandez is not under indictment. He was convicted. I have never heard of convictions being vacated upon the death of the prisoner. Only indictments being dismissed.
I have heard of indictments being dismissed. I have never heard of convictions being vacated because the convicted criminal killed themselves before the appeals process played out.Others may refine my wording on this, but conceptually I think it is well-settled law that if someone dies while they are still on direct appeal the convications are vacated. The legal theory is that you have a constitutional right to participate in your own defense (which includes the appeal), and if you die you are unable to do so. Given the choice between a 'conviction' where someone is not able to fully support their own defense and vacating the conviction, our system has chosen the latter.
Someone will have a cleaner description, I am sure...
"When a defendant dies while his conviction is on direct review, it is our practice to vacate the judgment and remand the case with a direction to dismiss the complaint or indictment, thus abating the entire prosecution."Got a link for that?
Hernandez is not under indictment. He was convicted. I have never heard of convictions being vacated upon the death of the prisoner. Only indictments being dismissed.
In the eyes of the state of Massachusetts, former Patriots star Aaron Hernandez died an innocent man thanks to an archaic legal principle called “abatement ab initio,” said Martin W. Healy, chief legal counsel to the Massachusetts Bar Association.
Though Hernandez was convicted in 2014 of murdering Odin Lloyd, Hernandez’s appeal was not complete. Abatement ab initio means “from the beginning,” Healy said, and it means that upon a person’s death, if they have not exhausted their legal appeals, their case reverts to its status at the beginning — it is as if the trial and conviction never happened.