I do lean this way as well, because I'm sure if the Vikings had managed to put together a couple more drives like their first one on Sunday, they'd be more willing to hold Peterson out at least another week. It seems obvious why they made this call.But mostly I am greatly irked by the Vikings hiding behind "due process" when they have shown in another case that they could give a shit about due process. It is a cowardly stance for the team to take.
These are two examples. My point - in the 538 study - NFL players have a lower propensity to be arrested in literally every crime they looked at. This would suggest that NFL players, by and large - are more law abiding citizens.redsahx said:[EDIT] I partly misread your point. I understand you are trying to explain why the numbers might be lower due to guys getting off for things a normal person wouldn't, but there still is a lack of supporting evidence. Ray Rice may have "got off", but he was still arrested and charged. Adrian Peterson was indicted and charged, and the public is appropriately counting these two cases against the NFL. So neither of those examples really matters in this context, as they don't support the idea that the NFL numbers for arrests are reduced.
There is a line in the 538 study about how one would expect lower arrest rates from an affluent group like NFL players where the poverty rate is zero. There are several reasons for that, not just simply that police are less likely to slap cuffs on you once they know who you are , though that could be a slight contributor.21st Century Sox said:These are two examples. My point - in the 538 study - NFL players have a lower propensity to be arrested in literally every crime they looked at. This would suggest that NFL players, by and large - are more law abiding citizens.
I think that defies logic. Not saying that this is a rampant league of lawbreakers, but certainly not much better behaved legally than society in general.
21st Century Sox said:
There is an issue with this link from 538.....the study is only using raw data. Though probably no way to really discern, what are the odds that an NFL player gets arrested vs Joe Blow? I think it is many times less. AP gets pulled over for speeding in Minneapolis, he is much more likely to be asked for an autograph than given a speeding ticket. We have all read many stories of this. Stars getting hustled away from bar fights, etc. Kind of blows raw data out of the water.
21st Century Sox said:I think that the NFL draws in players who are supremely gifted, and have been coddled and given anything they ever wanted from early teen years on. Sexual assaults routinely swept away by colleges, free rides on grades. Hell - A's on courses never attended. They are told from a very early age that they are entitled.....to pretty much whatever they want.
Women, guns, drugs, whatever.
If you have not read about preferential treatment of athletes, I will just venture to say that you have not looked hard, the examples are endless.
21st Century Sox said:These are two examples. My point - in the 538 study - NFL players have a lower propensity to be arrested in literally every crime they looked at. This would suggest that NFL players, by and large - are more law abiding citizens.
I think that defies logic. Not saying that this is a rampant league of lawbreakers, but certainly not much better behaved legally than society in general.
I am just following the logic of being coddled and entitlement - my opinion - and yeah - I cannot bring statistical proof - is that elite athletes skate more than often than not, and not just for traffic tickets.
"I have a 1-year-old daughter, and I discipline her," Bush said told WFAN's "Boomer & Carton" show via CBS New York. "I definitely will try to -- will obviously not leave bruises or anything like that on her. But I definitely will discipline her harshly depending on what the situation is."
At first I thought you meant they need to zip their mouths.DrewDawg said:Reggie Bush: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24711855/reggie-bush-says-hell-discipline-his-daughter-harshly
She's 1. What is the "situation" besides the kid crying?
These guys need to zip it.
Myt1 said:The Vikings are using "due process" like a person who wants to be insulated from criticism for his loathsome opinions uses "freedom of speech."
Average Reds said:
I like this so much that I plan to steal it and claim it as my own.
Just FYI.
Myt1 said:The Vikings are using "due process" like a person who wants to be insulated from criticism for his loathsome opinions uses "freedom of speech."
Infield Infidel said:
How hard is it for the league to say, for non-violent crimes, due process before suspensions, but for violent crimes, indefinite suspension upon arrest/indictment?
lambeau said:Good thing Reggie's on top of this so she doesn't think she can like, cheat, and cause her school to forfeit every game she plays in.And like have to give back trophies and shit
Not at all, I'd guess.Infield Infidel said:How hard is it for the league to say, for non-violent crimes, due process before suspensions, but for violent crimes, indefinite suspension upon arrest/indictment?
I think that goes quite a bit too far in applying the specific to the general. But more generally, corporal punishment is more approved of by Republicans, Southerners, and Blacks than, say, democrats, north easterners, and whites.SemperFidelisSox said:An underlying theme throughout this scandal has been the African American community condoning this type of violent behavior as a normal way of disciplining children, particularly media and fans from the South. Not that child abuse isn't a serious issue among all races.
Infield Infidel said:
How hard is it for the league to say, for non-violent crimes, due process before suspensions, but for violent crimes, indefinite suspension upon arrest/indictment?
Myt1 said:Messageboard plagiarism--is that a thing?
Tony C said:lol..indeed. There's a lot of WTFs here, and as a non-parent I tend to defer to parents...i'm not in a position to judge. But..WTF...you need to physically discipline your 1-year old child? For what....?
soxfan121 said:
My 18 year old nephew who was recently arrested for doing 65 in a school zone at 2PM and could have run someone over? I applaud his dad for not smacking him upside the head and instead giving him the experience of an afternoon in the town holding cell but I might have given him a "Gibbs". But, again, he's 18 years old and has had all that time to develop and learn.
E5 Yaz said:
Doesn't this mean his dad sucked at helping him develop and learn?
E5 Yaz said:
Doesn't this mean his dad sucked at helping him develop and learn?
“I think the decline in the behavior of America is directly traceable to the lack of whippings with switches,” Wilbon said. “Your grandparents or your parents would send you out to…pick your own switch. You go out, you snatch it off the tree, you cut it down, do whatever you do depending on where you are.”
“It’s such a common thing. It’s like baking a pie,” said the former Washington Post sports writer.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/15/espns-wilbon-american-behavior-today-directly-traceable-to-the-lack-of-whippings-with-switches-video/#ixzz3DWQJWOSf
The sweatshop operators and alcohol manufacturers don't approve of child abuse. How quaint. I find the corporate outrage sort of hollow.soxhop411 said:Andrew Brandt @adbrandt · 21m
And this. RT @APkrawczynski: eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves.
https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/511959927716204544
soxfan121 said:
From my perspective - having a 16 month old - zero. Nothing. They aren't capable of understanding and the only thing physical discipline can do is hurt.
My 18 year old nephew who was recently arrested for doing 65 in a school zone at 2PM and could have run someone over? I applaud his dad for not smacking him upside the head and instead giving him the experience of an afternoon in the town holding cell but I might have given him a "Gibbs". But, again, he's 18 years old and has had all that time to develop and learn.
Rusty13 said:ESPN’s Wilbon: American Behavior Today ‘Directly Traceable To The Lack Of Whippings With Switches’ [VIDEO]
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/15/espns-wilbon-american-behavior-today-directly-traceable-to-the-lack-of-whippings-with-switches-video/#ixzz3DWPzmgU7
Jnai said:
This reads like satire. Is this satire?
So sick of this trope. I read some commentator yesterday whining that "parents are too busy posting photos of their kids on Facebook to discipline them - creates a sense of entitlement." Yeah, what America's youth needs is more brutal beatings.Rusty13 said:ESPN’s Wilbon: American Behavior Today ‘Directly Traceable To The Lack Of Whippings With Switches’ [VIDEO]
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/15/espns-wilbon-american-behavior-today-directly-traceable-to-the-lack-of-whippings-with-switches-video/#ixzz3DWPzmgU7
Marciano490 said:
Effectiveness aside, I couldn't even imagine flicking a baby, toddler, infant or whatever they're called at that age with my pinkie finger. How is it fathomable to spank or strike a child that young? I understand and even sympathize with the fact that these men - focusing solely on the sport they play - have a different relationship to violence and pain than others, but still...
There are class fault lines that run through this as well. Very complicated mix.Myt1 said:I think that goes quite a bit too far in applying the specific to the general. But more generally, corporal punishment is more approved of by Republicans, Southerners, and Blacks than, say, democrats, north easterners, and whites.
Rusty13 said:ESPN’s Wilbon: American Behavior Today ‘Directly Traceable To The Lack Of Whippings With Switches’ [VIDEO]
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/15/espns-wilbon-american-behavior-today-directly-traceable-to-the-lack-of-whippings-with-switches-video/#ixzz3DWPzmgU7
I'm starting to enjoy these mega-controversies. They have a way of culling the talking-head population.Rusty13 said:
No listen to the audio. He's 100% sincere and even given the opportunity to somewhat take it back and doesn't.
soxfan121 said:
From my perspective - having a 16 month old - zero. Nothing. They aren't capable of understanding and the only thing physical discipline can do is hurt.
My 18 year old nephew who was recently arrested for doing 65 in a school zone at 2PM and could have run someone over? I applaud his dad for not smacking him upside the head and instead giving him the experience of an afternoon in the town holding cell but I might have given him a "Gibbs". But, again, he's 18 years old and has had all that time to develop and learn.
soxfan121 said:
Yeah, it's inconceivable.
But on the other thing, we're teaching my nephew to box. Wanna be a ringer? "Oh this guy? Lawyer friend, never boxed before, wanted to try it out. Go get him."
Was he referring specifically to a 4-year old? If so he's an ass. I do agree that teenagers need a good ass whipping from time to time. It kept me straight when I was getting into trouble I know that much......and I was slapped across the face by my school principal in 3rd grade! I never misbehaved in school again.Rusty13 said:
No listen to the audio. He's 100% sincere and even given the opportunity to somewhat take it back and doesn't.
HomeRunBaker said:Was he referring specifically to a 4-year old? If so he's an ass. I do agree that teenagers need a good ass whipping from time to time. It kept me straight when I was getting into trouble I know that much......and I was slapped across the face by my school principal in 3rd grade! I never misbehaved in school again.
I think it was a couple things.....one, I was a wild child and two, the fact that I was raised to respect authority and to have that authoritative figure belt the shit out of my face was a wake up call. Everyone has or should have a moment when a lightbulb goes off for me that was it.Tony C said:
Really -- a slap on your face had that much effect? I remember getting paddled on the butt at school until they outlawed it when I was in 4th grade. I wish I could say it had a positive effect and am glad I can't say it was traumatizing. Mostly I remember pulling my pants back up and going back to the same mischief as before.
In retrospect, I don't object so much to be being paddled (though I agree it's stupid) as I do think it's a bit weird to have had boys (did this happen to girls, too? not really sure) drop trou for some middle aged principal. But the true sadists were the Catholic nuns who would pick us up by our ears -- god now that did hurt. I think I may have been traumatized by that, now that I think about it. Any of my sins, I lay them on Sister Mary Carmen's evil soul.
Jnai said:Here's how you know if someone thinks we should beat kids as a form of punishment:
a) They were beaten as a child.
b) They believe introspection is a valuable tool for understanding development or cognition.
The argument is always: "When I was beaten as a kid, it triggered some sort of developmental change that was important for my future development." Otherwise, it's essentially unjustifiable.
It's a bit sad for me, because:
a) I'm sorry you were beaten as a kid
b) Introspection is a really shitty way to learn about development and cognition
Ed Hillel said:Every senior generation thinks the younger generation is ruining the world in one way or another, so it's entirely unsurprising. A method different from the one they were taught and experienced almost always leads to this kind of verbiage. Uphill both ways in snow without shoes, etc, that God forsaken MTV, which has now become that God forsaken MTV doesn't show music videos anymore, etc.
I will say it's a bit strange, as Wilbon was bashing the Vikings handling of the situation. It was in a broad sense, but maybe he was just pandering or he was given parameters by the network.
Tony C said:But the true sadists were the Catholic nuns who would pick us up by our ears -- god now that did hurt. I think I may have been traumatized by that, now that I think about it. Any of my sins, I lay them on Sister Mary Carmen's evil soul.
They're too busy at home playing video games.MainerInExile said:
Violent crimes by teens in 2011 were at there lowest rates since 1980