The Sox love their high-character guys.So basically this is the guy and the incident that Nick Francona was driven out of baseball over.
Glad somebody else brought it up. They traded one of the most likeable players in my lifetime for a guy who seems pretty douchy by all accounts. Honestly will be hard for me to root for him.So basically this is the guy and the incident that Nick Francona was driven out of baseball over.
Liiiiike, 3 out of 10 hard?Glad somebody else brought it up. They traded one of the most likeable players in my lifetime for a guy who seems pretty douchy by all accounts. Honestly will be hard for me to root for him.
i mean other than stand there in a hotel room while a 17 year old girl was beaten and sexually assaulted?Not to be that guy but what exactly did Verdugo do? It looks like Baldwin and the 2 girls are the terrible people. I don't know all the details though so I could easily be missing something.
Didn't report a violent assault and a sexual assault to the cops, for oneNot to be that guy but what exactly did Verdugo do? It looks like Baldwin and the 2 girls are the terrible people. I don't know all the details though so I could easily be missing something.
Yeah missed that.i mean other than stand there in a hotel room while a 17 year old girl was beaten and sexually assaulted?
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/dodgers-get-their-man-acquire-mookie-betts-from-red-sox-in-three-team-deal/Alex Verdugo, OF
Age: 23
A longtime top prospect, Verdugo got tastes of the majors in 2017 and 2018 before getting a more substantive opportunity in 2019. He took advantage, batting .294/.342/.475 with 22 doubles, 12 home runs and 44 RBIs in 106 games before going down with a season-ending back injury. Verdugo has a smooth, sweet lefthanded swing that stays in the hitting zone for a long time and drives the ball to all fields. He rarely strikes out, makes hard contact and altogether projects as a potential .300 hitter with 20-home run power. Verdugo is a capable defender at all three outfield positions and has a cannon for an arm that led to six outfield assists in only 97 games in the field last year. While Verdugo’s talent is undeniable, his maturity and effort have long drawn scorn from coaches, scouts and even his own teammates, such as when Rich Hill harangued him in full view of reporters in the clubhouse. Verdugo will replace Betts as the Red Sox’s everyday right fielder, and his makeup will be put to the test in Boston.
The story also suggested one of the players (not clear which of the two) recorded a video of the beating and posted it on social media.i mean other than stand there in a hotel room while a 17 year old girl was beaten and sexually assaulted?
They aren't really comparable. Sexual assault/violent assault vs what?hopefully the Sox did their due diligence. character is important in Boston, see AGon and Crawford, Carl.
hopefully it's just a bout of immaturity.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/dodgers-get-their-man-acquire-mookie-betts-from-red-sox-in-three-team-deal/
Oh come on what the holy fuck...I understand he didn't assault the girl but come on...Welcome to this awesome guy!
If you want to think "positively" maybe he was a very scared and intimated 18/19 year old kid who didn't know what to do.Oh come on what the holy fuck...I understand he didn't assault the girl but come on...
Intimidated by what? And at 18/19 you don’t know to speak up when your teammate is molesting a girl who’s passed out?If you want to think "positively" maybe he was a very scared and intimated 18/19 year old kid who didn't know what to do.
I'm guessing he was a bit more complicit.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying. It's like drinking one cup of bleach instead of 2.Intimidated by what? And at 18/19 you don’t know to speak up when your teammate is molesting a girl who’s passed out?
Why can’t we start expecting better from people instead of looking to excuse their behavior?
According to that article, he wasn't in the room while the girl was being molested. But he was when the girl was throwing up and getting assaulted, so he owns that part.Intimidated by what? And at 18/19 you don’t know to speak up when your teammate is molesting a girl who’s passed out?
Why can’t we start expecting better from people instead of looking to excuse their behavior?
Quoting the part of the article Shaggy is referring to.Intimidated by what? And at 18/19 you don’t know to speak up when your teammate is molesting a girl who’s passed out?
Why can’t we start expecting better from people instead of looking to excuse their behavior?
She was passing out during the act. He gave up trying when the rest of the group re-entered the room, perhaps, she said, out of frustration.
And Gabe Kepler seems like a piece of trash.Nick Francona (Tito's son) seems like a very high integrity guy who got screwed in all of this for trying to do the right thing, at the time and after.
A total piece of shit. Wow.And Gabe Kepler seems like a piece of trash.
That article just ruined Gabe Kapler for me.And Gabe Kepler seems like a piece of trash.
It's possible he didn't know she was a runaway or 17 years old. He was only 18 himself. Doesn't excuse anything because he's still watching an assault and did nothing and may have even recorded it. We aren't sure if it was him or Baldwin.What a fucking world. This story is so depraved. Two “older women” pick up a runaway and bring her to a Hampton Inn to be assaulted by baseball players and then decide to beat the shit out of her?
I mean, sexual assault wasn’t enough?
The Verdugo part is awful. Fuck him. I know this is a Red Sox board and that is the main point at the moment. But I also can’t get past the point about pretending to befriend a troubled woman — girl actually I guess — and then beating her up.
So many questions. Was Verdugo an associate of the “older women”? Is this a guy who likes to hang with women that pick up runaway kids to beat the shit out of them? What the fuck am I reading?
Then read the part about his comments on his "foundation" websiteThat article just ruined Gabe Kapler for me.
https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/55256/short-relief-schools-out/Enter the San Francisco Giants, who yesterday officially announced Gabe Kapler as their new manager. Kapler, of course, used to helm the Phillies. But before then, when he worked for the Los Angeles Dodgers, he swept under the rugevidence of assault against women by Dodgers minor leaguers Alex Verdugo, James Baldwin, Luis Rodriguez, and Julio Urías, all part of his evident belief that sexual assault and intimate partner violence are learning experiences for men, rather than crimes largely perpetrated against women and non-men.
That’s not idle speculation, either; on Kapler’s foundation website, he calls women and children “feeble,” yet paradoxically argues that “Children too should be part of the enforcement against domestic violence.” To Kapler, domestic violence is purely a problem of heterosexual couples, and calls victims of intimate partner violence “pitiful.”
In other words, Gabe Kapler thinks straight women are “feeble” and “pitiful,” and intimate partner violence doesn’t exist outside of heterosexual marriage.
Wait... wait... wait... whoa, wait....According to that article, he wasn't in the room while the girl was being molested. But he was when the girl was throwing up and getting assaulted, so he owns that part.
I'd rather he sucks and the Sox got screwed by the Dodgers, personally.This thread is a good barometer of peoples actual outrage vs faux outrage.
If he ends up a good baseball player, how many of the indignant posters will celebrate his homeruns or big hits?
Let's all hope he sucks, for morality sake.
What does that have to do with this thread?A fun thing that just happened is that I called out @redsoxstats on twitter for trying to find upside on this POS and he blocked me and deleted the tweet
Goddamn coward
Oh, I suppose at this later hour I could have been clearer. He posted about Verdugo's armWhat does that have to do with this thread?
edit/ I guess what I'm asking is what did you ask?
Exactly what you posted?
FangraphsFor all of Verdugo’s talent, concerns about his makeup have followed him since before he was drafted, with Keith Law (then of ESPN) noting questions about his level of motivation circa 2014, and the Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2018 writing, “Verdugo’s skills are undeniable, but criticism of his effort level and maturity have plagued him since his amateur days and were again prevalent in 2017,” referring, at the very least, to a dressing-down the rookie received from Rich Hill upon showing up to the ballpark late after oversleeping. In their 2019 edition, BA wrote, “Verdugo stays dialed in at the plate, but an indifferent attitude affects the rest of his game,” and noted lapses in his focus afield as well as a “slow motor” that “shows up on the bases, frustrating teammates and coaches alike,” while in their write up of the Dodgers system last year, Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel noted that “part of the reason teams have been asking for other Dodgers prospects in trades is due to some past off-field stuff.”
Or it’s a barometer of how much some dudes still don’t give a fuck about this issue at all, as long as they’re entertained by their favorite team. Or how some dudes like to let everyone know how cynical and knowing they are, while still not giving a fuck about rape/ sexual assault.This thread is a good barometer of peoples actual outrage vs faux outrage.
If he ends up a good baseball player, how many of the indignant posters will celebrate his homeruns or big hits?
Let's all hope he sucks, for morality sake.