Bears sign Jay Cutler to a 7-year contract
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I want to see the details. I assume its going to be team friendly. I thought Josh Mccown played really well when Cutler went down. I assumed that would cause the Bears to consider other options, but they obviously feel Cutler is their guy. Not the worst QB to have, but not a top 10 caliber QB either.
I'm very interested to see what the money is on this deal. As much as a bizarre QB he is, what really were the Bears other option in replacing him?
Wow! 7 years? That's quite a commitment, unless as Morning Woodhead points out it's a real team-friendly deal.
The real questions are, how much is guaranteed? And why would you want to guarantee this guy major dough?
It's the NFL, which means the year commitment most likely means nothing. The 7 year number is purely for the cap hit. I wouldn't be surprised if more teams started doing longer term deals.Yaz4Ever said:
The Bears will probably be able to get out of the contract after 3-4 years easily. I'm expecting some pretty big things the next couple years from that offense.
The thing about this deal is that the window for the Bears is right now. Look at the talent they have on the offensive side of the ball. with Marshall, Alshon Jeffery, Bennett and Forte they have a great core in place. They need help on the defensive side of the ball. So it made sense to either lock up Cutler or franchise him, and spend money and draft picks shoring up that defense. Seven years spreads out the cap hit.
I just texted a friend that's a diehard Bears fan and this was his response:
"I just threw up in my mouth."
Yep, pretty much explains how I'd feel.
"I just threw up in my mouth."
Yep, pretty much explains how I'd feel.
This fascinates me. Not the money, just that they would really want him leading the franchise. He has never in his entire career, had a 2:1 TD to INT ratio, ever. The average INT% this year was 2.8, Cutler has had one year below that mark but that was only 10 games. He is nothing more than a golden arm turnover machine.
[table Cutler]TD INT Ratio Int% Rate 9 5 1.8 3.6 88.5 20 14 1.4 3 88.1 25 18 1.4 2.9 86 27 26 1 4.7 76.8 23 16 1.4 3.7 86.3 13 7 1.8 2.2 85.7 19 14 1.4 3.2 81.3 19 12 1.6 3.4 89.2
[table Cutler]
ethangl said:
The drop in differential is due to the fact that their defense flat out sucked. They were 2nd in scoring per game (scored 445 points, or 27.8 per game) but 30th in points allowed. They were 3rd in points allowed in 2012. They need to fix their defense and need to use their resources on that side of the ball. With that offensive core coming back, if they just become an average defense they're likely in the playoffs next year.
They lost Henry Melton at DT, Lance Briggs and DJ Williams at LB, and Charles Tillman and Kelvin Hayden at CB this year due to injuries. They were playing reserves everywhere and those reserves sucked.mascho said:
They are good to go on offense, you should see them go D heavy in the draft.
Count me in the makes sense, shore up the defense camp. This would have been a really good team this year if they were fielding something even close to the 2012 D, and with Marshall/Jeffrey/Forte(/Bennett) locked up the offensive weapons are stacked for the near future. Cutler is/was likely the very best option available in free agency or trade, and given that they're picking in relative no man's land in the first round an immediate upgrade probably isn't coming there, either. Cutler will keep them competitive over the next couple seasons, so unless Bears fans were hoping to bottom out for a chance at Mariota etc. the downside is minimal.
H78 said:
I remember like it was yesterday. Bashing Matt Leinart and Vince Young, praising Jay Cutler's arm-strength and star potential.
They got 2 right, but jury is still out on the 3rd.
SouthernBoSox said:
Completely shitting the bed down the stretch is just a really bad sign, so, no, I guess not. I think teams with championship potential win the division when it's handed to them on a platter.
It's not a lot different than the Lions situation -- good coordinators don't always make for good coaches because there's obviously more to it than just Xs and Os -- both teams dealt with success (finally sort of beating the Packers) very poorly and went 3-5 and 0-4 directly thereafter. It's not an uncommon thing to see a team lose focus in that way after a big hurdle and it's directly attributable to how the HC steers the ship IMO. Just simply losing to the Eagles would have been understandable, but to come out completely unready to play, with a chance to win the division... kind of a big red flag, yeah?
And the offense scored 19, 16, 21, 20, 45, 31, 11, and 28 down the stretch. Two good games against non-playoff teams -- otherwise very average when it mattered the most.
The Bears are basically banking on Cutler having a Flacco-like run in the playoffs one year. A normaly inconsistent QB putting it all together for one playoff run. I really don't know how good Cutler is. Their offense has great talent, as evidenced by the fact that they made Josh McCown look like a good starting quarterback. The Bears had a good offense this year scoring wise, but not all of that was because of Cutler. McCown got them 41, 45 and 38 points in games this season. Frankly, the offense was just as good with McCown as they were with Cutler.
In today's world, were rookie QBs are making such great strides, committing 7 years, even if they are cap friendly, to a VERY mediocre QB, seems like a mistake.
In today's world, were rookie QBs are making such great strides, committing 7 years, even if they are cap friendly, to a VERY mediocre QB, seems like a mistake.
You're making a strawman argument here.Kliq said:
This is not a 7 year commitment, its a 3 or 4 year deal with some nonsense tacked onto the end.
The Bears made their decision and moved fast, which is a key for this team. After several years of weak drafts under Angelo, this team has needs everywhere except the offensive skill positions: O-Line beyond Jake Long, middle of the D-Line, LB corps, and the entire secondary. And the Bears have a lot of important players hitting unrestricted free agency this off-season: Melton (coming off injury), Tillman, Hester, Garza, Gould, DJ Williams, Major Wright, and a host of rotation/key-depth guys. And then they have to look ahead to 2015 when Marshall hits unrestricted free agency as well as weigh Pepper's performance against his high cap numbers ($18.1m next season, $20.6m the year after).
So getting Cutler (and Jennings and Slauson) done now, Emery frees up time and energy to work on the rest of the roster. It also effectively ties the fates of Cutler and Trestman, with Cutler's deal basically 3/$54m plus 4 years that will never happen and Trestman with 3 years left on his deal. If Cutler & Trestman can't get it done the next 2 years, then 2016-2017 are set up as potential slate clean, major rebuild years.
So getting Cutler (and Jennings and Slauson) done now, Emery frees up time and energy to work on the rest of the roster. It also effectively ties the fates of Cutler and Trestman, with Cutler's deal basically 3/$54m plus 4 years that will never happen and Trestman with 3 years left on his deal. If Cutler & Trestman can't get it done the next 2 years, then 2016-2017 are set up as potential slate clean, major rebuild years.
Another factor in the Bears' offensive turnaround is their O-Line went from fucking awful to meh, which was enough to make a difference. They only used 6 OL all year, so just staying healthy has a big effect on their performance.
So would you rather have this deal or Flacco and his deal?
So would you rather have this deal or Flacco and his deal?
You can win the Super Bowl with a QB like Cutler, but I'm not convinced you can win with Cutler getting paid like an elite QB.
Maybe he's better than McCown (I don't think that's settled), but that isn't the question. The question is whether Cutler is better than McCown plus the talent you could bring in (or retain) for the difference between their salaries. I don't think he is.
Maybe he's better than McCown (I don't think that's settled), but that isn't the question. The question is whether Cutler is better than McCown plus the talent you could bring in (or retain) for the difference between their salaries. I don't think he is.
Cutler sucks and all but how about calling less bad run plays? Or getting him to the line quicker when you can still talk to him in the headset? Not every QB is a Manning or Brady at the line pre snap. Know what you have and work with it. ESPN had a mock advice piece for Johnny football that shreds cutler, but ends as a sloppy blowjob for Andrew Luck.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12013016/flem-file-johnny-manziel-cheat-sheet-success
Edit: they switched the order. The Luck bit is more toward the beginning now. Weird.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12013016/flem-file-johnny-manziel-cheat-sheet-success
Edit: they switched the order. The Luck bit is more toward the beginning now. Weird.