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Aside from the obvious...

Chargers, Panthers and Raiders all currently playing under interim head coaches.

Ron Rivera widely reported to be out in DC.

Bleacher Report saying that Arthur Smith may be out.

Vrabel is apparently meeting with ownership to discuss his future.

Doug Pederson seems likely to have to explain himself after the Jags collapsed.

McCarthy is always on a hot seat in Dallas.

Edited to add - It sounds like Jim Harbaugh is interested in a return to the NFL and has been "linked to" Vegas and the Chargers.
 
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Don't do posts such as this unless you source it
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In-laws are family friends with Chip from New Hampshire. Brother in-law said this came straight from Chip. He said that Ryan Day, whom he is also good friends with from high school, also mentioned it. Day even suggested he may end up there as well if/when OSU lets him go.

Sorry it's not more substantiated but this is what was relayed to me prior to the game today.
 
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deythur said:
In-laws are family friends with Chip from New Hampshire. Brother in-law said this came straight from Chip. He said that Ryan Day, whom he is also good friends with from high school, also mentioned it. Day even suggested he may end up there as well if/when OSU lets him go.

Sorry it's not more substantiated but this is what was relayed to me prior to the game today.
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That’s good stuff. It may turn out not to be true, but this kind of support for a claim is what makes posting here great.
 
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deythur said:
Grain of salt and all but Chip Kelly is telling some people he will be joining BB in LA.
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Belicheck is going to become AD at UCLA?

Why would he leave a head coaching job in college, where he's had all his success (even if most of it hasn't been at UCLA) for a coordinator job in the NFL, where he's already failed twice? Does he think he'll be Belicheck's replacement in a few years?
 
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Philip Jeff Frye said:
Belicheck is going to become AD at UCLA?

Why would he leave a head coaching job in college, where he's had all his success (even if most of it hasn't been at UCLA) for a coordinator job in the NFL? Does he think he'll be Belicheck's replacement in a few years?
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I think that's probably it. Could be a lot of fun and he would be the heir apparent.
 
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. My goodness. I’ve long found that the college rumor mill is roughly 99% garbage.
 
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Wouldn’t that mean - if true - we’re probably also getting #6?
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I've wondered about this. Since such a move is not a trade, but compensation, can that be done within the context of the Rooney Rule? I don't know the answer, but it certainly seems like this type of move will/could be more complicated than it looks
 
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deythur said:
In-laws are family friends with Chip from New Hampshire. Brother in-law said this came straight from Chip. He said that Ryan Day, whom he is also good friends with from high school, also mentioned it. Day even suggested he may end up there as well if/when OSU lets him go.

Sorry it's not more substantiated but this is what was relayed to me prior to the game today.
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Is your source as good as the one that said that Joe Judge would be HCing today?
 
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deythur said:
Not sure what you are referring to but I posted what I was told. I don't post a lot so im not just throwing garbage out there. Maybe he misinterpreted the conversation, I don't know.
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Another thread had a rumor that BB was sick and not coaching today
 
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If true, it kind of fits with the Glazer report and people around football already behaving as if BB's departure is a fait accompli.
 
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deythur said:
Not sure what you are referring to but I posted what I was told. I don't post a lot so im not just throwing garbage out there. Maybe he misinterpreted the conversation, I don't know.
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I'm just messing with you, deythur. As DJ explains, there was another rumor last night that didn't come to fruition.
 
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Philip Jeff Frye said:
Belicheck is going to become AD at UCLA?

Why would he leave a head coaching job in college, where he's had all his success (even if most of it hasn't been at UCLA) for a coordinator job in the NFL, where he's already failed twice? Does he think he'll be Belicheck's replacement in a few years?
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I don't see it being likely, but one thing about being a college head coach is a huge part of the job is recruiting, and some guys get to the point where they just don't want to do it anymore.
 
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I don't see it being likely, but one thing about being a college head coach is a huge part of the job is recruiting, and some guys get to the point where they just don't want to do it anymore.
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Especially with the way college is now with NIL and the transfer portal, you almost have to re-recruit your kids every single season.
 
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BB to LAC would be fun. I'd be surprised if he chose them over WAS. I guess he wants to end things like Unitas. Chip Kelly...I mean I guess he was modern once!
 
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deythur said:
In-laws are family friends with Chip from New Hampshire. Brother in-law said this came straight from Chip. He said that Ryan Day, whom he is also good friends with from high school, also mentioned it. Day even suggested he may end up there as well if/when OSU lets him go.

Sorry it's not more substantiated but this is what was relayed to me prior to the game today.
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Chip Kelly. Ryan Day. All they need to do is add Jerry Azumah and Dwayne Sabb to the staff and BB can be the UNH coach in the 1990s.
 
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LAC will go for a cheap name think buff OC Or mia oc
bill has 2 choies
wash which is 50-50 because that owner is in to numbers

i think Atl is the best fit
1 they would give up number 9 if it came down to it
2 he can win that div in year one
i wouild throw in Car but they dont have a 1st round pick
mr kraft is gonna hold out for that 1st round pick
3 not only couild i see a 24 1st from atl but a 25 2nd as well

some of u will say ATL is too far has no history
that owner blank wants a winner bad
plus bill couild bring his kids with him
 
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That would just be much too high compensation for BB. Maybe we get their 2nd and 3rd rounder, if that.
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If BB is leaving, the Pats are going to want to begin their search for a new coach immediately. If they wait until BB finds another team to hire him, then negotiate compensation, they’ll be choosing from among the candidates whom other teams with vacancies didn’t want. So I don’t think there’s going to be any compensation coming the Pats’ way, beyond not having to pay whatever’s left on BB’s contract.
 
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mauf said:
If BB is leaving, the Pats are going to want to begin their search for a new coach immediately. If they wait until BB finds another team to hire him, then negotiate compensation, they’ll be choosing from among the candidates whom other teams with vacancies didn’t want. So I don’t think there’s going to be any compensation coming the Pats’ way, beyond not having to pay whatever’s left on BB’s contract.
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So on timeline, usually the compensation is agreed before the interviews. Basically you can't talk to another team's contracted employee without permission. There are rules about when it can be denied vs. having to be granted. For Bill he doesn't fall into a category where they have to, so you would say "we'll grant it if you give us....X if you hire him". That's how the Gruden one worked, which is the only one where the guy was actively coaching. All the others the guy quit/retired first.
 
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So on timeline, usually the compensation is agreed before the interviews. Basically you can't talk to another team's contracted employee without permission. There are rules about when it can be denied vs. having to be granted. For Bill he doesn't fall into a category where they have to, so you would say "we'll grant it if you give us....X if you hire him". That's how the Gruden one worked, which is the only one where the guy was actively coaching. All the others the guy quit/retired first.
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Thanks for the knowledge.

So there wouldn’t be further delay while compensation was negotiated, but they’d still have to wait to begin their search until BB lands elsewhere. That’s a very different situation than, say, the Saints were in when Sean Payton went to Denver. I still think Kraft will opt for a clean break (assuming BB is in fact leaving).
 
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mauf said:
If BB is leaving, the Pats are going to want to begin their search for a new coach immediately. If they wait until BB finds another team to hire him, then negotiate compensation, they’ll be choosing from among the candidates whom other teams with vacancies didn’t want. So I don’t think there’s going to be any compensation coming the Pats’ way, beyond not having to pay whatever’s left on BB’s contract.
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Probably have to find a GM first, unless you're hiring a HC who will then partner with a GM as a combo deal.
 
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Thanks for the knowledge.

So there wouldn’t be further delay while compensation was negotiated, but they’d still have to wait to begin their search until BB lands elsewhere. That’s a very different situation than, say, the Saints were in when Sean Payton went to Denver. I still think Kraft will opt for a clean break (assuming BB is in fact leaving).
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Yeah, I assume the same.

Maybe if someone already discussed it with Kraft a couple weeks ago, Kraft would just go into interviews with GM candidates in a couple weeks (though it's unclear to me if GMs have a moratorium on interviews this year like coaches) knowing that Bill is likely going elsewhere, but most likely they just agree to part ways.
 
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mauf said:
Thanks for the knowledge.

So there wouldn’t be further delay while compensation was negotiated, but they’d still have to wait to begin their search until BB lands elsewhere. That’s a very different situation than, say, the Saints were in when Sean Payton went to Denver. I still think Kraft will opt for a clean break (assuming BB is in fact leaving).
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Does this matter if Kraft already plans to promote Mayo?
 
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I'm guessing that Arthur Smith - he of 3 consecutive 7-10 seasons in Atlanta - doesn't survive the NFL firings that occur this week.

I know this is somewhat off topic...

But I had no idea his father was the "kid" at Yale that suggested overnight document services that became FedEx.
 
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There's a small possibility that Pete will be out in Seattle. I don't think it's likely but there's a chance.
 
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If there were an opening, BB should become 4 Star Admiral of Football Operations at Annapolis. He's rich, has a great legacy and really wouldn't have to recruit and he could coach kids he respects.

I think chasing Shula in his 70s or rebuilding a problem team may be a fools errand. Imo grocery shopping and cooking in the NFL is best left to younger and hungrier guys.
 
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Arthur Smith has been fired per Schefter
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well he’s from the Shanahan tree so he should fit the criteria some Pats fans have voiced

he really did an awful job with that offense for all the talent they had.The QB situation was bad of course but it’s shocking how little an offensive minded guy was able to squeeze out of that roster

I don’t think Heinicke, Mariota (2022) or Ryan (2021) are really too different than the types of QB’s the Pats will be shopping for pre-draft. So Smith’s failure should be a warning that having an offensive minded Shanahan disciple, good playmakers and a bridge QB isn’t a recipe for automatic offensive improvement.
 
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What are the best openings?

Following BB is tough but top draft pick

Atl has pieces but no QB

Temper is weird, no draft pick, depends if you think Young can be saved

LAC have Herbert but a bit of a mess; Spanos rumored to be cheap

DC seems more promising than it has in decades, top draft pick

Raiders have some pieces

Are there other potential openings? Mangini started 8-3 with Favre and missed playoffs and got canned. Could that happen to Doug?
 
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Have to think the Raiders stick with Pierce

Atlanta has a soft division and plenty of playmakers. Need a QB, maybe McCarthy, Penix or Fields (or Russell Wilson, Cousins etc). Seems appealing

Pats, offensive issues, insane pressure being the guy following a legend getting canned because of a lack of winning. Don’t think Kraft can sell a 3-4 year rebuild. Brutal division

Washington, some pieces, no QB but prime to take one early. Defense and OL are a mess. Long rebuild ahead most likely. Good spot for a young up and comer

Chargers, roster is a mess. Old and expensive, missing too many pieces at key spots but have a QB. One of the worst owners in the league. Seems like a place for a veteran retread or a second tier first timer like they usually go with.

Panthers are a mess. Not much talent, tethered to Young for another year or two. No first rounder.

could see an opening in Philly if the Eagles are one and done. They collapsed down the stretch and Peterson didn’t get much of a grace period after actually delivering a title.

don’t think McCarthy will get canned in Dallas after Jerry stuck with the similarly mediocre and underwhelming Garrett for so long but who knows. Maybe he gets desperate and tries to win one before he dies

The Saints should move on from Allen but they’re a mess too. Some cap issues, roster degradation, no QB, not a high enough pick to think the franchise guy is likely coming.
 
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What are the best openings?

Following BB is tough but top draft pick

Atl has pieces but no QB

Temper is weird, no draft pick, depends if you think Young can be saved

LAC have Herbert but a bit of a mess; Spanos rumored to be cheap

DC seems more promising than it has in decades, top draft pick

Raiders have some pieces

Are there other potential openings? Mangini started 8-3 with Favre and missed playoffs and got canned. Could that happen to Doug?
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Would be surprised if the Raiders move on from Pierce, for a myriad of reasons. The Atlanta job is sneaky good and I could see BB there, with full control.
 
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Jax probably won’t give up on Pederson so quickly, but they had a pretty epic collapse.
 
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